Topic: Nintendo should pull out of the consol race.

[DiggleD44]

NO! Absolutely retarded. sigh...........

[nonjagged]

I have nothing against you or your opinion Epitaph but its a silly idea you have there.
Nintendo are in the business for 2 reasons.
One is to entertain and the other is to sustain profits while dedicated in entertaining.
Console competitors have come and gone and new console competitors will arrive also.

For starters Nintendo to port/develope its franchises on other platforms is ludicrous just so mainstreamers or casual gamers who have never experienced Nintendo's class may give them a try, and on top of that the other platforms cant handle Nintendo's phylosophies in gaming.

Sure ps2 can handle innordinate FMVs that push along games while the Xbox is a mid-range PC pretending to be a console or cashing-in in the console industry but the Gamecube was specifically built for the most efficient deliver of software.

Example, Metroid Prime would have longer loadtimes (simular to RE running on the PSX) if it was developed for PS2. It defies the purpose of Nintendo's beliefs in quick relatime entertainment.

Xbox creators are fascinated with graphics and in the process they lose framerates. Even with the aid of HDD cache on Xbox, Metroid Prime would be chugger.

Rather than be slightest bit concerned about Nintendo's lack of userbase or whatever it is that you need to express Nintendo should expand, just enjoy their excellence to deliver a gaming platform that is built around the basis of no-load screen bars and that focus on giving the player something to take control over rather than ride-out FMVs.

And enjoy the facts that they (Nintendo) deliver excellent software that is coded around the balanced hardware.
Why Nintendo should then code software (take steps backwards and go in line with their technologically disadvanced competitors) by launching software on competing platforms just so other users may experience their brilliance is utterly silly when they are entertaining and making profits already and the other platforms dont share the same phylosophies in entertainment.

Nintendo is way too traditional and passionate for that.



2003 = The Year of the Fund Q and Triforce (albeit some delays)

[Grimm]

If they stopped making consoles, then that would totally elminate their userbase.... there are loyal nintendo fans that only buy nintendo consoles... these people arent going to stop buying consoles because Nintendo stops making them. They are just going to buy another. Theres the risk of them not coming back to Nintendo. I like Nintendo's strategy right now. They are releasing games when no one else does, no competition means more sales for your own game.

[theaveng]

No.  An old gaming company like Nintendo should not concede to a newbie like Microsoft's Xbox.  What Nintendo needs to do is be more open-minded to third-party "adult" games like Vice City or Halo.  That's what people want, so that's what Nintendo should give them.  

The Original Nintendo had all kinds of violent games, and look how popular it became.  So Nintendo should return to its roots and allow violent games again.
Troy

P.S.  So Epitaph is an Xbox troll?  Figures.  Asshole.

[PIAC]

well you do have to give them a few points for trying, eternal darkness, resident evil, metroid prime. not much, but its a start

[DevilishDude]

whats the point? I mean if they put nintendo games on xbox, the microsoft fans will think its too 'kiddy' and they only ones buying the games will be the nintendo fans, and microsoft would get the bigger share of the profits. nintendo fans play games for the content, fun factor, and gameplay. microsoft fans play games for the rating.  

[Epitaph]

gotta love those social discussions, but no one is on my side. Oh well i just posted this to make people think. thats it.

[Hostile Creation]

There are much better ways to get Nintendo fans into intellectual discussion than that statement.

Nintendo has been doing pretty good with "mature" 3rd party games.  Metroid Prime was awesome, ED and all the RE series are supposedly good.  Games like Hitman and Legacy of Kain are coming or are already out.  Nintendo doesn't make violent games, but they welcome any 3rd party games that are willing to come to Gamecube.  Vice City and Halo are exclusively PS2 and Xbox, respectively.

[mouse_clicker]

"Vice City and Halo are exclusively PS2 and Xbox, respectively."

Except for the PC. I don't mean to sound like a fanboy, though- I'm sure the XBox version of Halo will not only sell a LOT better than the PC version, but will BE a lot better as well. GTA on the PC is quite popular, though (still, that's not saying much considering it's a PC game).

[Hostile Creation]

Yeah, but Sony and Microsoft own them, I think, so, chances are, they won't come out for GC.  But I know what you mean.

There are entirely too many commas in that statement. . .

[thecubedcanuck]

The reason this is such a bad idea is simple. The people who want to play Nintendo games will buy a cube, people who dont want nintendo games wont. Putting cube games on another system may sell a few copies of the games, maybe an extra 10% but that IMO would be it. You would simply be marketing Nintendo games to the wrong market.

[Cap]

yeah, i agree with you cubedcanuck. nintendos games sell quite well, even compared to most ps2 games despite the much larger user base. i dont see the sales increasing enough on the other systems to go third party when they make profits off of royalties from third partys, the hardware itself, and any accessories they put out(wavebird, gameboy player, memory cards, etc.). i'm pretty sure most ps2 and xbox owners dont want to play nintendo games, and by going multiplatform they would probably make some games exclusive to some systems, splitting up their existing market.

[The Doc]

First of all, The market could also be to blame for Nintendo's below average sales on their GameCube console. However, the company will not just turn over and let Sony and Microsoft run the show. I feel that Nintendo should not pull out of the console race; yes they made a lot of mistakes with the N64 and they have fixed a lot of them with their GameCube console. I also understand that a lot of people are angry about Nintendo ignoring the online market, but you have to remember that is what caused Sega to pull out of the console market, they lost to much money on the online idea for the Dreamcast and a lot of people do not like playing games online to begin with. Second, Nintendo is not a baby's console; I believe that Nintendo has the widest selection of games that appeal to gamers of all ages, both children, teenagers and adults. Third and lasty, when Nintendo exits the console market is when Nintendo disappers forever. Nintendo may have below average sales on their gamecube console but they are far from dead.

~The Doc~

* Xbox and Playstation 2 fans would not want to play Nintendo games on their consoles, which is why they do not have a Nintendo GameCube for in the first place. I feel that idea totally contradicts itself.  

[Bloodworth]

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Originally posted by: theaveng
P.S.  So Epitaph is an Xbox troll?  Figures.  Asshole.

Hope you like those as your last words.

[Ian Sane]

"Ok now lets say nintendo pulls out for one run, sends its games out on other consols, then blows out in another generation with a brand new system and all those games they made people fall in love with are only on that consol."

The main problem with that idea is the part about Nintendo sending their games to other consoles which suggests them taking a Sega approach where different franchises are put on different consoles.  Sega has tired putting their games here, there, and everywhere and so far it hasn't really been very successful for them.  If anything it's pissed off their fanbase even more as Sega fans now have to buy THREE consoles instead of one.  If Nintendo did this it would likely result in a similar situation.  Imagine if Mario and Zelda were on different consoles.  I think every Nintendo fan would be pissed.  Since a big part of this plan revolves around Nintendo increasing their fanbase for a future console pissing off their current fans is an unnecessary risk.

One important factor that is being largely forgotten is the GBA.  Nintendo realisitically isn't going to support other consoles while supporting the GBA at the same time.  If they quit the console business they would probably just stick with the portable market.  Nintendo probably wouldn't go third party unless they quit supporting the GBA and I really doubt that's going to happen soon.

A lot of you are saying that Nintendo's first party games wouldn't sell much better on the PS2 or Xbox.  You do realize that by saying that then you are saying that Nintendo's franchises don't sell well anymore?  It's widely considered that Nintendo's franchises aren't selling as well on Gamecube as they probably should.  Now most fans defend this by saying that the Cube's smaller userbase is limiting the potential sales of those games.  Fair enough.  Therefore one would assume that on a console with a larger userbase (like the PS2) those games would sell better.  However some of those same people are saying that on the PS2 Nintendo games wouldn't sell much better.  Then that means those games wouldn't sell particularly well PERIOD regardless of platform.  I seriously doubt that's the case and I think most of the "Nintendo won't sell well on the PS2" crowd seriously don't believe that either.

Personally I think the best situation would be if there was a console standard and every game was made for the same platform.  However I don't want one company to have a complete monopoly of licensing or hardware so a solution like "make every game on the PS2" is not valid.

[manunited4eva22]

*Thinks about 3DO* those were the days...

[NickNiteQ93]

I think it's a good idea in theory that the people would buy Nintendo's games because they're on other, cooler systems or whatever.  What you don't realize, obviously, is that people don't buy the GameCube because the games are kiddy to them.  They look at Zelda, for example, and see it as kiddy because it's not SUPER REALISTIC LIKE SPLINTER CELL.  They don't see it as a work of art, everything to them has to be realistic.  Even though something as far fetched and as a huge clone of Quake as Halo is, it's the best thing since sliced bread.  So what good would selling their games on another console do?  If people don't buy the console the games are on now, what makes you think they'd buy PS5 or XBong 7 if they had Big N's games on them?

[Epitaph]

Just to clear up any confusing im not a xbox troll nor a ps2 troll, I just posted to raise a conversation. Thats what a forum is all about, to get people talking. Ive thought about buying a xbox if certain games like fable to live up the the hype but untill then it doesn't intrest me. Im quite happy with my gamecube. I was just thinking in terms of getting other people on board. But even then i thought the idea was far fetched but it made for some good reading. Thx guys.

[Trippy Pancakes]

One question:  What is it about the idea of Nintendo selling games on other systems that would 'ruin the user base' and 'piss people off' ?

I think it would upset me too.  I have a hard time putting it into words.  For one, I like the Nintendo hardware.  I guess I'm just loyal to Nintendo right now.  The hardware is smaller and more appealing in my opinion.  I always hate those elitist snobs who always gravitate to some hardware niche, acting like everyone else is clueless for not using the same hardware - all the while kind of hoping not too many people start using that hardware because then the snob wouldn't be unique/in the know.  Kind of like Apple Macintosh users are often perceived.

I think maybe I'm a snob like that.  On the one hand, I would like Nintendo to be as successful as possible (and they are financially successful, thank God, just not ubiquitous).  On the other hand, if Nintendo consoles got as popular as Sony is right now would I still feel the same about Nintendo ?   I think that maybe I wouldn't as much.  I'd still enjoy the quality games, but there is a part of me that likes being a little different than the other part of the market that seems to gladly consume sub-par games in huge quantities.

By the way, I used to feel similar back in the stone ages when I purchased my Amiga computer and maybe a tad bit when I purchased my 3DO.

Am I a bastard for being like this or does anyone else feel the same ?

[Perfect Cell]

Going Third Party doesnt Equal $$$.... SEGA hasnt had the best of succes,, they havent been able to beat EA.

[Ian Sane]

"Am I a bastard for being like this or does anyone else feel the same ?"

Well if the only reason you support Nintendo is because they're the underdog that's pretty weird.  If you always go for the less popular console you're going to miss out on a lot of great games.  The Gamecube is kind of an exception but most of the time the least popular console is unpopular for a good reason.  The CD-i and Jaguar weren't unpopular because the competition had better marketing, they were unpopular because they sucked so sticking with the unpopular consoles isn't the smartest choice all of the time.

Personally I've always liked Nintendo and as long as the quality is up I'll support their consoles regardless of popularity or sales.  My beef with them ever going third party isn't really that they won't make hardware anymore but rather that their games might be spread across multiple consoles and I don't like the idea of buying two systems to play the games I used to be able to get with one.

[Hemmorrhoid]

excactly IanSane, it would be stupid to buy several systems for nintendo games
and I also love nintendo hardware, after all, the GCN is the cheapest, about equally powerful and has the best controller (opinion)
nintendo should keep doing what they have done so far  

[Bloodworth]

Actually, if Nintendo ever did stop producing their own consoles (which they've repeatedly said would never happen), how much do you want to bet that they'd keep making their own controllers?

[Trippy Pancakes]

>>  Well if the only reason you support Nintendo is because they're the underdog that's pretty weird.

True, it would be weird.  But it's not the only reason at all.  I love it because of the games and like you say the quality of Nintendo's work.

But, the topic was really what if the games were on other systems and how would you feel about that / why would that be a bad thing.  And what I meant was that for me, really the only reason I can think of why I would care if Nintendo went 3'rd party would be for the reasons I discussed.  As long as I can play the games I want then it doesn't matter too much, but I admit there is a small part of me that likes being in the elite.

I have an Xbox and it's a good console but basically it doesn't have many games that I really want.  But if there's a game for a competing system that you really want, get it.  

>>  My beef with them ever going third party isn't really that they won't make hardware anymore but rather that their games might be spread across multiple consoles and I don't like the idea of buying two systems to play the games I used to be able to get with one.

I guess I always assumed that if this happened Nintendo would put Mario on all the consoles and not do something like put Mario only on Sony and Smash Brothers only on the Xbox.  So, yeah that would suck if they started doing exclusives like that.

[Cap]

does anyone think that nintendo making their own hardware may have something to do with the quality of their games? that's not to say they couldnt create a great game on the other consoles, but i would think by knowing everything about the hardware, and having the development kits to their first and second partys sooner would greatly benifit the developers. not only that, but by going multi console, they have to split teams up to do specific versions for each console, maybe cutting down the total number of games developed. i dont know how relevant it really would be, but i think nintendo just likes to have control of the hardware they are releasing games on.