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« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2008, 03:12:09 PM »
I'm tempted to say that I like this better than all the others, but I haven't seen the first three in a long time, and the truth is that the modern handling of this movie gives it a completely different, and much more accessible, pacing, sensibility, and appeal than the originals

There's no way this movie could be better than Last Crusade, but if it comes anywhere close I'll be incredibly happy, considering Last Crusade is my all-time favorite movie... =D
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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2008, 03:13:09 PM »
I'm tempted to say that I like this better than all the others, but I haven't seen the first three in a long time, and the truth is that the modern handling of this movie gives it a completely different, and much more accessible, pacing, sensibility, and appeal than the originals

There's no way this movie could be better than Last Crusade, but if it comes anywhere close I'll be incredibly happy, considering Last Crusade is my all-time favorite movie... =D

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« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2008, 03:31:34 PM »
Totally looking forward to this movie, and I have to concur w/ Bill's sentiments as well.

I think I'm going to see this on Saturday with my family, and I'm totally wearing my Fedora that I got so I could go as Indiana Jones for Halloween a few years ago. I'll be like those people who dressed up for the Star Wars movies, except with less light saber and more whip. :D
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Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2008, 12:48:26 AM »
The movie is awesome. Raiders of the Lost Ark and Last Crusade it is not, but that's a pretty tall order to live up to and the movie is fantastic just the same. To be honest, I have never laughed so hard in a theater either then during the snake part in the film either.
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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2008, 12:53:51 AM »
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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2008, 02:29:49 AM »
Is it really a spoiler if it's in the trailer? I haven't seen any of the movies in the series but all the talk about this one has convinced me to try them out.
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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2008, 05:27:35 AM »
Is it really a spoiler if it's in the trailer? I haven't seen any of the movies in the series but all the talk about this one has convinced me to try them out.

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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2008, 05:35:52 AM »
And just for reference, Shia Lebeouf is awesome, a real good actor right? In this movie he looks like a retarded car salesman wtf.

He reminded me of a retarded teenager in Transformers, so maybe he's moving up in the world.

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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2008, 11:39:25 AM »
He's never been slick, thats why I thought him becoming the new Indiana Jones was weird.  He started on a Disney Sitcom called Even Stevens, thats when he was really a retarded teenager.  I remember thinking at that age that we will never see this kid again. lol
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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2008, 12:42:48 PM »
I was surprised to see him here, but the kid actually has screen presence and he didn't hurt the movie at all. I was completely uninterested in Shia Lebeouf before Transformers, but that movie and this made me convince that... *shrug* he's all right.
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Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2008, 04:47:29 PM »
on the note of Tranformers, he did ok, just ok for the movie, but as Spike Witwicky, he was terrible. Also the guy playing his dad was nothing like good old Sparkplug which is the only gripe I really had with the movie.


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Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2008, 04:53:29 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2008, 04:57:53 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2008, 07:08:00 PM »
The movie was lots of fun and I love Shia in it (I also loved him in Transformers). He has a great presence and I cannot wait to see another Indy movie with him and Harrison Ford.
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« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2008, 03:57:54 AM »
Decent.
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Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2008, 10:57:11 AM »
It was alright, but it was probably on par with Temple of Doom and certainly no better.

I'm all for suspending disbelief to better enjoy a movie, but there's a statute of limitations on that kind of thing.

Let me put it a better way: imagine that this WASN'T an Indiana Jones movie, if this movie had been filled with unknown actors and Indiana Jones was some other action hero type we'd never heard of before.

That being the case, I don't think anyone would be cutting it the amount of slack they have been because it's an Indiana Jones movie.

I've already seen Iron Man twice but I've no desire to see this a 2nd time. It's sad because the first half of the movie (the CGI-free half) which included most of the character development was the far superior half.
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« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2008, 12:52:26 PM »
well my idiot friends got too drunk last night to go anywhere so we had to reschedule our viewing for tonight.



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« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2008, 01:01:31 PM »
If this movie didn't include Marion it would have been a 5-star movie.
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« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2008, 05:05:07 PM »
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"I really liked it. Janusz Kaminski's cinematography (lots of backlighting, glowing heads, ethereal lights) made it much more beautiful than the gritty (post-modern ugliness?) of the early 80s Indys. The CGI did make the movie look like a cartoon, and that is great. I hope the Tintin movie looks like this. I appreciate how the CGI was used (mostly) to make ancient mechanical things, Indy's forte, and make them bigger and more elaborate than before.

Only two complaints re: CGI (and both fairly major): all the cute animals, and the poorly crafted ending with the "inter-dimensional being" which was really stupid looking next to the rest of the film.

Other than that, the combination of rubbled sets and CGI backdrops was breathtaking. I think what Indiana Jones has always needed is Janusz Kaminski; I can't get the glowing lights and muted color palette out of my head.

I rewatched Raiders of the Lost Ark last night, and I've never been a huge Indy fan because Spielberg always cut around his effects shots as if he was hiding the strings. The boulder chasing Indy in the beginning of the film is great, since we see both Indy and the giant boulder in the same shot. The later chase scenes are broken, because we are merely watching individuals shots of cars moving really fast, cut together.

In KOCS, thanks to digital effects, the motorcycle chase scene is filled with very long shots of the two male leads on a motorcycle, such as when the motorcycle is in between the car and the bus, or when both vehicles burst through a giant gate, etc. Spielberg isn't matching the action with a fast-paced rhythm, instead he's letting the movement within each individual shot dictate the rhythm.

The movie covers a lot of backstory, seeing as there's been a 20 year gap, but Raiders and Last Crusade are both filled with "catching up" and conversations about the past. It's a pretty key element to the series.

As for the plot, yeah it gets dumb. Not up to par with the mysticism of 1 and 3. I loved, however, the insistent references to the time period: there's lots of late 50s music and characterization. I loved the fight in the diner (same diner as Back to the Future? Yeah I'm geeking out about it), and the way Indy is accused of being a communist (HUAC reference) while trying to fight the communists. Then there's the A-Bomb, Roswell, etc. I loved it all.

Except the ending. Blech."

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« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2008, 05:10:30 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2008, 05:24:57 PM »
I just saw it today (along with everyone else in the state of Florida, it seems), I thought it was pretty great. The diner scene was awesome, especially when Indy called the guy "Joe College".
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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2008, 06:00:28 PM »
If this movie didn't include Marion it would have been a 5-star movie.

Booooo!  When I heard Marion was in the movie my anticipation grew even more!  I still have to wait until next weekend to see it... =(
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« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2008, 12:13:13 AM »
I hate to be the one to start a massive spoiler quote-fest, but...

After thinking about it, my take on the movie:

I understand that movies need us to suspend disbelief, but I think Indy 4 just plain abused this to the point where it lost me as a result.

But that isn't even my biggest gripe with it. The film had piss-poor villains, laughably durable main characters, and bukkaked the audience with CGI.

Let's start with our villains, the Russian KGB. First of all, the cold war was a bunch of silly dick-waving. We all know this now, and as a result, you can't quite group Russians into the same category as Nazis when it comes to Indiana Jones' villains. So we have an alleged Russian "psychic" who never once actually uses her psychic powers, except in one scene in the beginning when she says "You're a hard one to read, Dr. Jones." and then never again. She didn't impress me as a villain whatsoever, and neither did Indy's British friend (forget his name) who kept switching sides in a cliché and predictable manner.

The Indiana Jones series was BUILT upon strong villains which actually strike fear, and you strike fear by getting the audience to relate to something on screen. So we have this crystal skull which grants some power we've never heard of? Not 1/10th as scary as Nazis claiming the holy grail and being immortal.

Which of course begs the question, why weren't these villains Nazis? Why not a group of Nazis trying to use an ancient power to...I don't know, resurrect Hitler? I'm just tossing out ideas, but I couldn't help but be completely unimpressed by what the villain of the movie was suggesting would befall the world if Indy failed.

What killed it for me the most was the fact that, while Indiana Jones is a series built upon clichés, it's absolutely KEY that the actors themselves don't start feeling those clichés because it bleeds through into their performances. Some of Harrison Ford's earliest lines in the movie sound like he's smirking about the fact that he's playing a cliché when he's supposed to be staring down the evil of the KGB.

You can also see this same effect in the "Batman and Robin" movie where, as Ebert eloquently put it, the actors are clearly "winking" at the camera.

I think Spielberg forgot that Indiana Jones movies are built upon characters first and action second, and if you don't have the first part, the second will just be rendered as meaningless fluff, especially when they're riddled with CGI. This is similar to how George Lucas forgot that Star Wars movies were made so successful by the fact that the actors, good or bad, were absolutely dripping with humanity and as such brought audiences to love them.

It's a shame, too, because the first half of the movie which introduced the characters was doing pretty well for itself, then it just devolved into piles of CGI and a horribly lackluster ending.

EDIT: My GF just pointed out that Mila Jovovich's character in "Zoolander" was actually a better and more convincing evil Russian woman than Kate Blanchet's in this movie. Ironically, despite the fact that Zoolander was a comedy, Jovovich played the role seriously.


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« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2008, 12:18:11 AM »
I doubt that, the prequels being Star Wars movies didn't stop people from emptying their bladders all over them.
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