Author Topic: Desktop thread (56k warning) (Read 29104 times)

bustin98 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 20, 2007, 05:15:12 PM »

Oh yeah baby. I claim first dual screen.

And no I don't have a background image to fill it. I work with Photoshop and Flash and Illustrator and have two email clients running along with Trillian all day so the less resources used for filling space I never see the better.

And yes I'm as bad with my Half-Life icons as Bill is. You'll also find FEAR and UT2004 in there.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #26 on:** September 20, 2007, 05:15:41 PM »

"now those icons on your desktop aren't easy to access! what to do?"

Well if you're on Vista, you click the "Show Desktop" button right next to the Windows icon in the bottom-left of the screen... =3

Also, Vista has a pretty convenient way of shuffling through all your maximized windows...

Mashiro · « **Reply #27 on:** September 20, 2007, 05:18:12 PM »

Wait I am missing something . . . what's redundant?

What's the overlap? you mean like one window over another?

Also, you don't have to have icons appear on your desktop it's an option (one I always have off).

Mashiro · « **Reply #28 on:** September 20, 2007, 05:27:55 PM »

Here is Expose on Mac (which is one of my favorite features of the OS and has been around for like 2 years or so maybe longer):

This is using the "show all" function mapped to the F9 key natively but can be changed to your liking. It shows all open windows running and you can click on whichever to bring it up.

Need to see the windows for one running program only? Like say photoshop? Just hit the F10 key:

Need to get back to your desktop? F11 pushes everything to the side:

<3 <3 Expose.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #29 on:** September 20, 2007, 05:34:21 PM »

Check it

All you Mac people need to get on Quicksilver and get rid of all that damn clutter!

Oh yeah, and I'm with Pale. Mac convert and I'd never go back to Windows for personal use.

EDIT: I had to shrink down that image, I hate when the forum stylesheet is broken by images

ShyGuy · « **Reply #30 on:** September 20, 2007, 05:46:58 PM »

Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"now those icons on your desktop aren't easy to access! what to do?"

Well if you're on Vista, you click the "Show Desktop" button right next to the Windows icon in the bottom-left of the screen... =3

Also, Vista has a pretty convenient way of shuffling through all your maximized windows...

Please. Show desktop has been around since the Win 98 days. Cascade has been around since Win 3.1! Both OS interactions are KLUDGES. They solve a symptom, but do not solve the problem. You need to come around the Miyamoto Philosophy.

Read this and gain understanding:
http://www.1101.com/iwata/2007-08-31.html

wandering · « **Reply #31 on:** September 20, 2007, 05:47:29 PM »

Quote

Shyguy, could you hook me up with that wallpaper?

Quote
Well if you're on Vista, you click the "Show Desktop" button right next to the Windows icon in the bottom-left of the screen... =3

XP had a "show desktop" button, too.

Quote
Also, Vista has a pretty convenient way of shuffling through all your maximized windows...

Your operating system is definitely better at shuffling through windows than mine. But that's only because I'm running Jaguar, which doesn't have glorious Exposé.

Mashiro · « **Reply #32 on:** September 20, 2007, 05:58:13 PM »

Man wandering you gotta upgrade bud! =D

Once you get expose you can never go back. Though I guess at this point you're probably waiting for OS X 10.5 which would make sense.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #33 on:** September 20, 2007, 05:58:21 PM »

"XP had a "show desktop" button, too."

Oh, never realized...Then what's the problem? Besides, you know, ShyGuy going wacko? =)

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #34 on:** September 20, 2007, 06:01:02 PM »

Quote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Okay time for a mini rant.
The whole windowed operating system has outlived its usefulness and needs to go away. So you boot up your computer to the desktop and what's the first thing you do? COVER IT UP WITH A MAXIMIZED WEB BROWSER. This is what most people do. So oopsy, now those icons on your desktop aren't easy to access! what to do? I know, let's put them all program lists under a start button. Well digging through five button clicks just to play Solitare is a pain, so let's list the most used apps in the first part of the start menu. Hmm, that still requires a click to show the start menu. I know! let's make a quick launch bar and put it on the taskbar. Better yet, let's also put a program icon in the group of icons on the right that load on startup. NOW WE HAVE FIVE ICONS FOR INTERNET EXPLORER SCATTERED HITHER AND YON ACROSS THE OS. Remember those early pictures of Windows where the desktop showed cascading windows with a spreadsheet, a photo and your calculator all layered over the top of each other? NO ONE USES THEIR PC THAT WAY. All major applications are maximized and dragging and resizing windows is useless for most of the time you are working at your computer.

Well you could just use an application like Quicksilver. Basically it keeps an index of everything on your computer and lets you bring up a search window with a simple Command+Space keyboard entry. From there you type the name of anything on your file system and it finds that item and anything related to it. I don't keep anything on my desktop anymore and nothing in a Quick Launch bar because I can just use Quicksilver as an app launcher once it finds an app I'm looking for. That concept combined with a Windowing application seems like the true future to me. Why bother digging through the HDD when you can make the computer do it for you?

Mashiro · « **Reply #35 on:** September 20, 2007, 06:03:25 PM »

Good points from Mr. Jack.

I don't use Quicksilver but I literally fly around my comp. Everything is a single click away and I am never resizing windows. Expose can shift stuff aside if need be if I have lots of stuff running ::shrugs:: I don't see the big deal or how windowed OSes have outlived their usefulness.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #36 on:** September 20, 2007, 06:07:48 PM »

Quote
Originally posted by: Mr. Jack

Well you could just use an application like Quicksilver. Basically it keeps an index of everything on your computer and lets you bring up a search window with a simple Command+Space keyboard entry. From there you type the name of anything on your file system and it finds that item and anything related to it. I don't keep anything on my desktop anymore and nothing in a Quick Launch bar because I can just use Quicksilver as an app launcher once it finds an app I'm looking for. That concept combined with a Windowing application seems like the true future to me. Why bother digging through the HDD when you can make the computer do it for you?

That's a good concept if you stick to the keyboard most of the time. Problem is, mouse or touchpad or stylus is the preferred form of input. Moving back and forth is a slow down. Don't get me wrong, I know how much faster that input can be. Put someone proficient in Word Perfect 5.1 against some proficient in Word 2007 and they non-GUI app will win everytime.

P.S.: I am not CRAZY BILL. OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE WAY OF SHIGGY.

P.P.S: Wandering, that's a picture of Mont Saint Michel, the coolest castle ever. Here is the wallpaper I use http://www.206tours.com/tour43/Mont%20Saint%20Michel%204.JPG and here are some more cool pics of the place.
http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/02/mont-saint-michel-photos.html

Mashiro · « **Reply #37 on:** September 20, 2007, 06:10:49 PM »

Quote
Problem is, mouse or touchpad or stylus is the preferred form of input.

But but I just showed you how easy it is with the normal standard mouse input . . . with the aide of one keyboard key here and there =)

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #38 on:** September 20, 2007, 06:10:50 PM »

Wow people can type faster and more accurate on Word Perfect than Word 2007? Learn something everday.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #39 on:** September 20, 2007, 06:14:24 PM »

Yes, you can type faster and make adjustments to your document formatting faster because your hands never leave the keyboard. WP5.1 was text based and command were done through keyboard shortcuts not menu or point and click.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #40 on:** September 20, 2007, 06:19:20 PM »

Quote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Yes, you can type faster and make adjustments to your document formatting faster because your hands never leave the keyboard. WP5.1 was text based and command were done through keyboard shortcuts not menu or point and click.

Why do I get the impression I am talking to a bunch of elitist computer nerds?

bustin98 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 20, 2007, 06:29:14 PM »

Quote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Yes, you can type faster and make adjustments to your document formatting faster because your hands never leave the keyboard. WP5.1 was text based and command were done through keyboard shortcuts not menu or point and click.

Um, Word has keyboard shortcuts. Even if you have to hit alt and a few other keys to get to something.

Non-Word example. Say I'm working in Photoshop and I want to crop a selected area. ALT-I-P does the trick, and its quicker than reaching for my mouse to drag the cursor to the menu and select it.

All it takes is for someone who works in it all the time and is truly interested in saving time with what they do.

mantidor · « **Reply #42 on:** September 20, 2007, 06:49:54 PM »

Yay, desktop thread, the excuse I always use to clean it up.

It wasn't that bad though

but since I'm in a Metroid mood I just gave this one a try.

nickmitch · « **Reply #43 on:** September 20, 2007, 07:04:45 PM »

IceCold · « **Reply #44 on:** September 20, 2007, 07:06:46 PM »

Not sure if someone already mentioned this, but ShyGuy, you just have to hit Windows-Icon + D to show your desktop quickly..

ShyGuy · « **Reply #45 on:** September 20, 2007, 07:11:37 PM »

Quote
Um, Word has keyboard shortcuts. Even if you have to hit alt and a few other keys to get to something.

Of course it does, but people still reach for their mouse because it's easier.

Quote
Not sure if someone already mentioned this, but ShyGuy, you just have to hit Windows-Icon + D to show your desktop quickly..

The keyboard shortcuts aren't the point. The point is that people don't have three hands.

Kairon · « **Reply #46 on:** September 20, 2007, 09:45:38 PM »

What happens when we all convert to tablet computing?

Darkheart · « **Reply #47 on:** September 20, 2007, 10:27:06 PM »

Been switching back and forth between the two every now and then pending what mood I am in.

Mashiro · « **Reply #48 on:** September 21, 2007, 12:41:35 AM »

Shyguy fails for not addressing my comments.

Quote
The keyboard shortcuts aren't the point. The point is that people don't have three hands.

You can set any of your mouse buttons for Expose on Mac and you can also set it to the sides of screens if you want it to activate =D

Moving along: I like the metroid wallpaper their mantidor =)

ShyGuy · « **Reply #49 on:** September 21, 2007, 04:37:24 AM »

Sorry Mashiro, let me respond. If it works for you, great, There's nothing wrong with that. I just don't think 90% of the computer using audience would be as productive with it as you are, or to put it a better way, they wouldn't put the effort forward to be as productive as you are with Expose.

It's like dual analog vs the wiimote. Dual Analog may work fine for some people, but it's a barrier and there is a better way to control video games. Nintendo proved that by doing something new.

News:

Author Topic: Desktop thread (56k warning) (Read 29104 times)