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RE:Current WWII Shooters Are Unethical
« Reply #100 on: December 11, 2007, 06:42:49 AM »
I found SPR to be severely overrated, it had so many goofy cliches like the guy taking off his helmet then getting shot in the head or them letting a German soldier go to have him return to haunt them.  
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« Reply #101 on: December 11, 2007, 07:01:08 AM »
I don't get Saving Private Ryan... I guess it's one way in which I've just completely bought into the "war as entertainment" mentality.
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« Reply #102 on: December 11, 2007, 07:47:05 AM »
Overrated perhaps, but I found the movie overall painful to watch and never wanted to see it ever again.
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« Reply #103 on: December 11, 2007, 09:46:01 AM »
I found We Were Soldiers to be much more intense.
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RE: Current WWII Shooters Are Unethical
« Reply #104 on: December 11, 2007, 04:16:25 PM »
I don't even mean "intense" so much "I never want to watch this again".

WWS could easily have the same thing going for it.
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« Reply #105 on: December 11, 2007, 04:16:25 PM »
Double post.
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« Reply #106 on: December 11, 2007, 04:37:44 PM »
I prefer my war movies like fairy tales. Like Enemy At The Gates.
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RE: Current WWII Shooters Are Unethical
« Reply #107 on: December 11, 2007, 05:38:45 PM »
More of you need to watch Band of Brothers.



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RE: Current WWII Shooters Are Unethical
« Reply #108 on: December 11, 2007, 06:45:39 PM »
BlackHawk Down anyone?

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RE: Current WWII Shooters Are Unethical
« Reply #109 on: December 11, 2007, 10:20:50 PM »
Black Hawk Down came off more of an realistic action movie to me. All the Marines looked the same. You couldn't tell one from another let alone empathize   with them. There was was a lot of intensity and not much else.

Band of Brothers was something else. Initially you felt like you were on an adventure, off to the big war so everybody can go be heros. Boot camp ends with everybody rightly pissed off at Ross. Then the bullets start flying. Your sitting there with them in the fox hole while the forest explodes. A far superior experience.

I have yet to ever play any war game that replicates any of that. Every war game out there just throws the bad guy of said period at you until you wipe out the the 5th SS Panzer division. What would make an interesting experience would be those peace keeping missions you keep hearing about. Sure you do have a gun, but your not really suppose to use it.
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« Reply #110 on: December 12, 2007, 08:38:15 AM »
Let's face it; a game like that just wouldn't sell..
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RE:Current WWII Shooters Are Unethical
« Reply #111 on: December 13, 2007, 07:36:23 AM »
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I hope you don't feel I am attacking you in any way Jake I'm attempting a counter to your arguments in a hopefully civil tone. I mean no offense.


not at all. i was starting to wonder if i had dreamed up that long post for naught. =)

there are games that get my heart pounding. where i am intent on the screen, sweaty handed, sometimes even shaking, trying to stay alive, intend, damn near AFRAID. but they are never war games. the suffering was one. resident evil. hell, even manhunt 2 has had its moments where i am into it.

the difference is in the technique. survival horror is, as it sounds, about making the possiblity of living scary. you have one mission, live. where in war games, you have to blow up this bunker. you have to take that hill. it becomes an action game.

i guess the real question is: is it unethical to play historical events? not to quote myself, but i still stand by this part:

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But the question was: is this ethical? Moral? Gentlemen and Ladies, children have been playing war games for thousands of years. Adults haven been writing novels, painting, inventing and playing games based on wars for almost as long. This is not new ground, this is not Something Different. We did not dishonor the dead when we lead their imagined legions into battle across the back yard. I do not believe we dishonor them by playing through a level on a video game.


could we ever put the horrors of war in a game? i certainly hope not.

i played lots of starcraft. and one of the things i did at first, as 'general' of this 'army' was to be concerned about each unit on the screen. after all, each marine is a human being i am ordering into battle. i would create rescue parties, and heavy protective forces to keep losses at a minimum. but that isn't the way you win the game. (insert metaphor here)

war games in general are an interesting topic of ethics. is WWII better than say counterstrike, which pits "the good guys" against "terrorists"? battlefield vietnam didn't do so well. i've never heard of any gulf war game getting rave reviews. was that execution? or subject matter? was there an issue with Spartan Total Warrior?

oh, and to clarify, i think that games have given me an appreciation for certain aspects of war. books, movies, etc, have added to this. i would never say that it is the same thing.

personally, i am so tired of WWII shooters... Whatever happened to killing daemons from hell? what was wrong that?

oh and star wars battlefront. which needs a wii edition. now.  

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« Reply #112 on: December 13, 2007, 07:49:32 AM »
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oh and star wars battlefront. which needs a wii edition. now.


QFT. OMG, sooo QFT.

I think that's great insight you have about how war games turn into action games. I wonder what would happen in a war game that was objectiveless, and the only way to get to the next level was to survive that particular "encounter," win or lose...
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RE: Current WWII Shooters Are Unethical
« Reply #113 on: December 13, 2007, 08:55:00 AM »
I have a bit more insight into this because my father is an ex-green beret and a my grandfather was a colonel in the army.

My father loves to watch war movies and play war-based strategy games, but even he said that the theory of war is great while the reality is horrible.

I'd definitely like to see a war game done properly for a change.
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