Author Topic: CONFIRMED: Halo 3 to be Wii-killer... (Read 17127 times)

Kairon · « **Reply #25 on:** July 20, 2007, 12:49:04 PM »

LOL, I know... oh geez.

bustin98 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 20, 2007, 04:10:48 PM »

I have such found memories playing CounterStrike on LAN.
I also just got done playing a round of Halo2 Team Slayer. Its a great feeling when a team sticks together and pulls out from behind after getting whooped on. I haven't finished the single player game, online is where its at.

People can attack those games all they want and while I won't defend the shortcomings, there's still reasons for their popularity.

That said, I don't understand why these games executives say these dumb comments. Ok, so I might put down my Wii controller for some Halo3, but its not like the Wii is going in the trash. But this isn't the first idiotic comment from Dave so I find it hard to be convinced he knows what he's talking about. Maybe his studio put up the money to invest in computers that can handle the HD games and is trying to justify the purchase.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #27 on:** July 20, 2007, 04:16:14 PM »

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You health doesn't regenerate, you shield does. Since your shield is basically half of your life bar it means that as long as you can find a spot to rest for a few seconds between fights you'll never be with less than half a life bar. While it does make the game pretty easy, it lets you enjoy the game more because you're not so worried about constantly saving and there will never be a point where you're screwed because you saved with an almost empty life bar and no health packs around.

The ability to only carry two guns had a similar effect--since you're constantly switching weapons and leaving others behind you're not so worried about wasting ammo.

However, none of this excuses the fact that the game is overly generic and that the level design is absolutely horrid (in the first game, at any rate).

You can lower the difficulty of a game with skilled game design without taking the cheap way out, which is what health regeneration is.

bustin98 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 20, 2007, 04:24:33 PM »

I would say the health regeneration puts a different focus on the game. When I play a Resident Evil game, there are points that I am panicing looking for that one green herb. And I'm sure its intentional. So when playing Gears or Halo, the focus isn't on health so much and the strategy of gameplay takes that into account. And when it comes down to it, whats the difference between having improbable health packs (or herbs) laying around the area or taking cover until you can pop out to do some more damage?

I disagree with the assesment of returning health as a cheap game element.

Kairon · « **Reply #29 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:03:41 PM »

Regenerating health isn't cheap. I think it's a very good addition to games...

I mean, it lets players take calculated risks. It allows them to be hit and feel like they're in actual danger, while not penalizing them long-term for that. It invites players to be closer to the action. It really brings that feeling of "I'm under fire!" closer. Especially in war FPS games, you want to feel like you're getting pummeled and dirtied up. Regenerating health let's that happen a lot, but without the nasty consequences of you're alays being dependent on "health pack" drops. That's another thing that regenerating help fixes: no longer are levels strewn around with health packs that seem strangely out of place... and no longer do you need a health-bar HUD, as seen in Call of Duty 3!

The point of regenerating health is to tell the player "you're in trouble." It goes You'reInTrouble You'reInTrouble You'reInTrouble and then the player has to get away. If they stay in trouble too long, THEN it kills them. If they get away, then they need to stay out of trouble awhile, and then they catch their breath, they're no longer in trouble, and they keep on playing.

oohhboy · « **Reply #30 on:** July 20, 2007, 06:33:56 PM »

The problem with that is it reduces the game to a series of short sprints. It makes it that every time you stop and recharge a save point. It didn't remove the problem of save scumming, only hides it. The simple presence of bullet flying through the air should be enough to convey danger. Not a .45 slug deposited in your chest.

The funny thing is that at the end of the day, Halo still used health packs. If the game was as well designed as a lot of people believed, it wouldn't have needed health packs. Unfortunately, health packs will be here to stay as lot as we make levels as long and as connected as they are now. Black, had a far better use of the recharging health mechanic (On a side note, a far more fun game). It only kicked in at the last couple of points of health. It made long term progression on so little health unpleasant, but it made come backs far more possible than otherwise.

that Baby guy · « **Reply #31 on:** July 20, 2007, 06:48:08 PM »

Heh, Mario 64 had regenerating health. That whole water/lifebar thing was just idiotic, though. They messed up on that part, IMO.

Kairon · « **Reply #32 on:** July 20, 2007, 06:52:52 PM »

OMG... HALO COPIED MARIO 64!!!

Mashiro · « **Reply #33 on:** July 20, 2007, 07:20:51 PM »

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OMG... HALO COPIED MARIO 64!!!

Mario FPS CONFIRMED!?

Stogi · « **Reply #34 on:** July 20, 2007, 07:28:22 PM »

There's a lot of animosity in this thread. Who would have that people hated Halo on a Nintendo forum. (It's like fanboys are just pussy gangsters!

)

I won't lie, I loved Halo. I use to play it online with GameSpy (worse network ever) all the time. I can see where all the complaints are valid, but that game was a lot of fun multiplayer. Let's see, the grenades were awesome; maybe not original, but well done. The vehicles had solid physics. And finally the co-op was dope on legendary, though I only ever played a few certain level.

To be fair, I only played it while intoxicated. So.......yeah........

I don't like Halo 2 though. It's way to easy and not much was different than Halo.

denjet78 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 20, 2007, 08:01:20 PM »

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There's a lot of animosity in this thread. Who would have that people hated Halo on a Nintendo forum. (It's like fanboys are just pussy gangsters! )

I suppose I should be honest and come clean then.

Hello. My username is denjet78 and I'm a Nintendo fanboy. I also hate FPS. I hate Hate HATE THEM with a passion. When they first announced that Metroid was going first person I was ready to walk my ass to Retro and firebomb the hell out of the studio myself. None of this wimpy pay someone else to do the deed for me. To me FPS = HATE!!!!! Oh look! An alien! Shoot it! Oh look! Another alien! Shoot it too! ad nauseam. And as for online play? Don't EVEN get me started! I think the only thing that I hate more than FPS is online. It's such a looser addition to games. It's as if all the gamer nerds were tired of getting picked on and so decided to figure out a way that they could coalesce into one gigantic super nerd.

*URK!*

Don't throw up!
Don't throw up!
Don't throw up!

It just makes me sick how everyone seems to think that throwing an online feature into a game will make it infinitely better. Or even better at all. Lies... ALL LIES!!!

And games trying to cash in on current cultural trends. Just shoot me now. Actually, can any Halo players do it please? Yeah, I'd like to see you try. You'd probably get bored and wander off in search of something shiny after my SHIELD (it's still health you nimrods) regenerates itself for the 50 millionth time.

...

Was that sufficiently insulting for everyone? Oh... um... Sega sucks? I know, I know. that's an easy one but there are still Sega fans, all two of them, and I'd feel bad if I left them out.

Mashiro · « **Reply #36 on:** July 20, 2007, 08:20:12 PM »

I liked Goldeneye 007 on N64 and Timesplitters Future Perfect but I couldn't get into Halo =/

Kairon · « **Reply #37 on:** July 20, 2007, 10:51:41 PM »

Halo has co-op story mode. Therefore, I'm contractually obligated to love it. Otherwise Denis Dyack would sue me.

Gamebasher · « **Reply #38 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:07:55 PM »

While I seriously doubt that Halo 3 will become a Wii-killer, I like Halo for it´s awesome story, the feeling of being part of something really big, the huge environments to explore and fight in, and the cool audible radio communication to and from Master Chief. If it wasn´t first-person, I would have never played it. Once I would have disliked FPS games, but now I only want to play like that when I engage in virtual warfare. Halo 3 is probably going to be the greatest FPS to ever come out on any console, for sheer scale alone, but also for it´s touching story about humankind going up against alien agressors in one huge final fight.

Shift Key · « **Reply #39 on:** July 24, 2007, 02:35:29 AM »

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Halo 3 is probably going to be the greatest FPS to ever come out on any console, for sheer scale alone, but also for it´s touching story about humankind going up against alien agressors in one huge final fight.

Best part of the story is how everyone jumps into the multiplayer at launch and starts complaining about balance. EPIC!

Mashiro · « **Reply #40 on:** July 24, 2007, 02:51:52 AM »

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Halo 3 is probably going to be the greatest FPS to ever come out on any console, for sheer scale alone, but also for it´s touching story about humankind going up against alien agressors in one huge final fight.

Best part of the story is how everyone jumps into the multiplayer at launch and starts complaining about balance. EPIC!

Wait . . .

Halo has a story?

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #41 on:** July 24, 2007, 03:32:28 AM »

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Halo 3 is probably going to be the greatest FPS to ever come out on any console, for sheer scale alone, but also for it´s touching story about humankind going up against alien agressors in one huge final fight.

Best part of the story is how everyone jumps into the multiplayer at launch and starts complaining about balance. EPIC!

Wait . . .

Halo has a story?

Yep it also has some great repetitive, shoot aliens all day gameplay!

Mashiro · « **Reply #42 on:** July 24, 2007, 03:36:02 AM »

Craziness!

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #43 on:** July 24, 2007, 04:58:32 AM »

Halo was there for the XBox when the system had nothing of any value, it doesn't mean the game is any good.

UERD · « **Reply #44 on:** July 24, 2007, 11:07:42 AM »

You have to wonder...would the XBox have died if Halo had come out as an RTS for the Mac as originally planned?

Mashiro · « **Reply #45 on:** July 24, 2007, 11:08:53 AM »

Probably.

Kairon · « **Reply #46 on:** July 24, 2007, 12:59:40 PM »

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Halo 3 is probably going to be the greatest FPS to ever come out on any console, for sheer scale alone, but also for it´s touching story about humankind going up against alien agressors in one huge final fight.

Best part of the story is how everyone jumps into the multiplayer at launch and starts complaining about balance. EPIC!

Wait . . .

Halo has a story?

*sigh* Yes, I agree that Halo has very little in way of story. However, it DOES have LORE.

Mashiro · « **Reply #47 on:** July 24, 2007, 01:04:26 PM »

Is it world of warcraft style lore? Cause we all know what happens with that kind of lore . . .

I wanted an excuse to link that . . . =}

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #48 on:** July 24, 2007, 08:50:00 PM »

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Halo 3 is probably going to be the greatest FPS to ever come out on any console, for sheer scale alone, but also for it´s touching story about humankind going up against alien agressors in one huge final fight.

Best part of the story is how everyone jumps into the multiplayer at launch and starts complaining about balance. EPIC!

Wait . . .

Halo has a story?

*sigh* Yes, I agree that Halo has very little in way of story. However, it DOES have LORE.

Generic, take over the galaxy lore.

cubist · « **Reply #49 on:** July 25, 2007, 06:59:30 AM »

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...says another idiot executive.

Dave Perry says gamers will drop Wiimotes for Halo 3

I think one of the commenters said it the best:

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Well of course I'll drop my Wiimote when Halo 3 comes out. I can't play on my 360 with my Wiimote. I'll pick it right back up again when I'm through, though.

David Perry is a HAS-BEEN game maker. He had some success with Cool Spot (7up Mascot Game) and really good exclusive version of Disney's Aladdin for the Sega Genesis (the SNES had Capcom's version). He took that success and created Earthworm Jim with the same engine. Ever since the jump to 3D, he's had little success. He had some hype surrounding some of his projects (like Messiah); however, those never panned out. His last attempt at greatness was when the Wachowski Bros. handed him the Matrix...and he bricked with that game. There were some moments, but its gameplay was outshined by Ubisoft's Prince of Persia at that E3...and had his ass handed to him in my opinions. Hell...the ATARI booth and the Ubisoft booth neighbored each other that year.

David Perry can talk when he's making great games throughout his career...like Miyamoto...2D...3D...creating games while gardening and hanging out with his family...

David Perry...no credibility.

David Perry shouldn't talk when his success was

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