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As it stands to say Nintendo is really just pushing away it's core gamer audience and we will be left out in the cold is an OPINION. Where AS OF NOW Nintendo has done nothing to validate this argument. The FACTS which GP, myself and others list are the current line up of games that we know are coming and are meant for gamers. No one knows what 2008 will hold for Wii outside of Wii Fit and Mario Kart but between Shigeru Miyamoto stating that he still enjoys making gamer games (not non-games) and Nintendo's philosophy that games don't have to be divided between non-games and gamer games (see: they can be games enjoyed by ALL such as LoZ:PH) it is safe to assume Nintendo isn't forgetting it's roots.
Nintendo hasn't come out and showcased 60 non-game titles and then just showed Mario Kart. Right now 2008 is tied for 2 in the US, we have Wii Fit and Mario Kart. So as it stands it's split 50-50. One gamer game and one non-game.
So factually speaking, there is NO HARD EVIDENCE that Nintendo is moving away from its core market. Is it expanding? Yes. Is it taking care of it's more seasoned gamers as well at the moment? Yes. So to say EVERYTHING here is based on opinion I would say that is false.
What you are doing is offering evidence to support your OPINION. Do not confuse evidence, fact, and opinion because there is also counter-evidence and counter opinion that has already been brought up.
I will spell it out again. Nintendo is not big enough to satisfy all audiences. That is evidenced by those vocally unsatisfied in just about every Nintendo forum, and by others here that even made note that Nintendo couldn't satisfy ONE audience as far back as the N64 days. What there is no evidence of is proof that they NOW have the ample resources to do it all. Their history shows otherwise.
I've not said anything about abandonment, pushing away, being left out in the cold. I'm not going to go over everybody else's posts to see if they did or not, though.
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Nintendo is ADDING to their audience. They are BUILDING upon what they have. They are EXPANDING their market. Their audience has a wider range now yes but they didn't shift away from one to the other.
Their market expansion IS changing their audience. Their demographic is changing. Therefore their audience is changing. They're not doing one without the other.
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I don't feel threatened by counter opinion, I just can't stand it when people make claims without ANY factual evidence to back it up. As it stands Nintendo is catering to both markets and with games like LoZ:PH bridging the gap between both and making games that are enjoyed by gamers and non-gamers alike while still having the game consider a game and not non-game. (God I hate all these freaking labels).
Yes, Nintendo is catering to both. But it is a perfectly valid opinion to say that they may not be catering to one or the other, or BOTH, well enough. You don't have to like or agree with those possible opinions, and coming up with evidence to support your own opinion won't make it fact. For as long as people are allowed to have opinions, then either audience (or both) are allowed to have an unsatisfied opinion, whether that meshes with yours or not. Nobody was elected to be the righteous arbiter of collective thought.
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So as it stands, Nintendo "The sky is falling all of our old ways our doomed" scenario is OPINION and "Nintendo so far is showing us a good mix of games catering to both audiences" is FACT.
"a good mix of both" IS an opinion, my friend. See previous response.
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2008 is a blank slate and just because Nintendo didn't show much for 2008 at E3 it doesn't mean they don't the games that will make us all happy in 08 in the pipeline.
It is absolutely a blank slate, but history (and even the present drought) is not in Nintendo's favor, and history is all anybody has to go on... aside from theory, hopes, and wishes. Many are (at least I am) done with promises and hope, as Nintendo broke promises and dragged people along in the past. So the proof is in the pudding, and for as long as Nintendo touts non-games and gives hardcore games passing mentions, they'll simply add fuel to the fire themselves too.
Now as for Galaxy, MP3, BWii, and Brawl that keeps getting brought up by people here, they are missing the point here again.
All of these games were supposedly going to be spread out over the course of the year. Even in the best case scenario, 4 or 5 games across 12 months would mean the Wii basically gets seasonal use. But since we don't live in a world where every hardcore game is made for every hardcore gamer, including that they were bumped and concentrated into 3 months out of the year making the other 9 months fairly stark, it is little consolation or proof that they are satisfactorily supplying an audience with what they want.
The existance of those specific titles is not the point. Quality and volume is the point. Until they and 3rd parties show up with high caliber products in regular quality and quantity, NOT ports, NOT last-gen wares, NOT licensed crap, and NOT poorly made sequels, then the hardcore lineup is going to be considered spotty by some.
Someone mentioned this was a problem as far back as N64, which is a pretty astute observation and they have a good point. If Nintendo has solved a 15 year problem, I'd love to see it. But I will indeed need to see it first to believe it.
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