Topic: SUPER SMASH BROS BRAWL - The New Megathread

[NWR_insanolord]

I believe Sakurai mentioned that there would probably (my emphasis, not his, just pointing out that it's not necessarily set in stone) only be 2 or 3 third-party characters in Brawl, with Snake being one of them.

And even if there were, say, 6, like has been mentioned in this thread, I really doubt we'd see multiple characters from the same series.

[anubis6789]

If Mega Man (emphasis for Kairon) is included it better be the original version, or maybe I can live with the X version, but if it is the EXE or Starforce version, God help me for I will not be accountable for what I may do... which would probably be to go cry in a corner.

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Originally posted by: insanolord
I believe Sakurai mentioned that there would probably (my emphasis, not his, just pointing out that it's not necessarily set in stone) only be 2 or 3 third-party characters in Brawl, with Snake being one of them.

Well if you wanted to, you could go the exact opposite direction and say that we may only get the one third party character. Just thought I would point out before the game comes out and we only have one or two third party characters available.  

[Ceric]

I still stand behind that if they do Mega Man.  It should be Mega Man from the cartoon or the Smash take on the original, none of this stupid kids chibi Mega Man.  Technically I think Mega Man is an it since he is just a robot.  X is a reploid and if memory serves they only have gender based on physical appearance and personality.  I guess that is neither here nor there in the end.

I hope they only put in characters that make sense or give them something they don't have in the Nintendo universe and could use.

[NWR_insanolord]

Well, Nintendo had polls in Japan about what other third-party characters fans would like to see, so I think Nintendo at least intends to have more than just Snake. If it were only Snake it would be really weird, at least to me. I think you need at least a few, and probably more like 6 or 8 or more to make it not seem weird that it's mostly Nintendo, except for a couple.

Though as long as Sonic is there (and Tails, Knuckles, and Robotnik as ATs) I don't care what else they do with the third parties.

[Dasmos]

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Sora is a very highly likely candidate to be included in Brawl.

Says who? You? I hate the fact that people on the Internet spout crap as fact. You have no idea what Nintendo plans on doing with 3rd party characters and the fact that you like a character does not make them a likely candidate.

How is what he said crap?  Out of all the third party characters Sora has a much better chance of appearing then many others.  He's a well known character from a very popular series and his game Chain of Memories on a Nintendo system sold over 1 million copies which is much better then Snakes Twin Snakes for the Gamecube which couldn't even hit 500,000 worldwide.

How is what he said crap? He doesn't know anything, he's speculating. Speculation is crap. Anybody can speculate. He has no real basis for his speculation apart from his aparent like for the charcater. You can't talk about chance of inclusion when you don't know the criteria for inclusion is. The only criteria that we know of is the character must have apeared on a Nintendo console, which this character fits, but that's it. Thousands of characters fit this criteria.

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Popularity is one of the most important factors for determining who's going to appear in Brawl, and so it's only natural that the most popular characters from a third party company are going to be the most likely candidates if that company was to have a character included in Brawl.

Your statement has no merit or basis. You have no idea how Nintendo is going about their inclusion of 3rd party characters. Your logic, although sounds reasonable, is only speculation. Again; anybody can speculate.

The only thing we know about the inclusion of Snake is that Kojima begged for him to be included, that's it.

[anubis6789]

Are you not speculating too, Dasmos?

[Dasmos]

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Are you not speculating too, Dasmos?

Please tell me where?

[anubis6789]

That their speculation is baseless, or crap, or wrong.  

[NWR_insanolord]

If you don't like speculation it's probably not the best idea to spend time browsing internet message boards that talk about games that haven't come out yet.

[Sarail]

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Originally posted by: Rachtman
Sora is a very highly likely candidate to be included in Brawl.

Says who? You? I hate the fact that people on the Internet spout crap as fact. You have no idea what Nintendo plans on doing with 3rd party characters and the fact that you like a character does not make them a likely candidate.

Awww, I'm sorry.  Negativity must run rampant in your family.  

I didn't say this was fact.  I stated my opinion that I believe Sora is highly likely to make it into Brawl.  And that's all.  He has just as good of a chance as Solid Snake does -- and Snake doesn't even mesh well with the Smash universe.

Don't open your mouth like that... makes you sound dumb.

[Darkheart]

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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude

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Originally posted by: Dasmos

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Originally posted by: Rachtman
Sora is a very highly likely candidate to be included in Brawl.

Says who? You? I hate the fact that people on the Internet spout crap as fact. You have no idea what Nintendo plans on doing with 3rd party characters and the fact that you like a character does not make them a likely candidate.

How is what he said crap?  Out of all the third party characters Sora has a much better chance of appearing then many others.  He's a well known character from a very popular series and his game Chain of Memories on a Nintendo system sold over 1 million copies which is much better then Snakes Twin Snakes for the Gamecube which couldn't even hit 500,000 worldwide.

How is what he said crap? He doesn't know anything, he's speculating. Speculation is crap. Anybody can speculate. He has no real basis for his speculation apart from his aparent like for the charcater. You can't talk about chance of inclusion when you don't know the criteria for inclusion is. The only criteria that we know of is the character must have apeared on a Nintendo console, which this character fits, but that's it. Thousands of characters fit this criteria.

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Popularity is one of the most important factors for determining who's going to appear in Brawl, and so it's only natural that the most popular characters from a third party company are going to be the most likely candidates if that company was to have a character included in Brawl.

Your statement has no merit or basis. You have no idea how Nintendo is going about their inclusion of 3rd party characters. Your logic, although sounds reasonable, is only speculation. Again; anybody can speculate.

The only thing we know about the inclusion of Snake is that Kojima begged for him to be included, that's it.

Well Sora was in Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories.  The next game in the Kingdom Hearts Series will be a spin off game again starring Roxas and Mickey slated for either the Ds or PSP Nomura hasnt decided it yet but will announce the game at TGS.  So if that goes through thats 2 Kingdom Hearts games on a Nintendo Console.  Plus with the current failure of a PS3 and the success rate of the Wii, the series just might make a leap to another console.  If Nintendo knows that they are getting these 2 games in advance or even one of them then Sora or any Kingdom Hearts original character is welcome.

"Further details of the next Kingdom Hearts game have appeared in a recent interview with Tetsuya Nomura. It's been confirmed that the new game, a sidestory, will likely feature on a handheld platform and explore the KH2FM+ secret movie.."

http://www.kh2.co.uk/?page=NI/KH2FMU

[Dasmos]

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That their speculation is baseless, or crap, or wrong.

Unless they can prove otherwise what they were speculating was baseless and full of crap. I never said they were wrong.

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Originally posted by: Rachtman
Sora is a very highly likely candidate to be included in Brawl.

Says who? You? I hate the fact that people on the Internet spout crap as fact. You have no idea what Nintendo plans on doing with 3rd party characters and the fact that you like a character does not make them a likely candidate.

Awww, I'm sorry.  Negativity must run rampant in your family.  

I didn't say this was fact.  I stated my opinion that I believe Sora is highly likely to make it into Brawl.  And that's all.  

If you are stating opinion it usually goes along the lines of "I think Sora is a highly likely candidate" or "I believe Sora is a highly likely candidate", not "Sora is a higly likely candidate.

It's like saying "God doesn't exist" as opposed to "I think God doesn't exist". You need to express your opinion in a way that isn't confusing.

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He has just as good of a chance as Solid Snake does

I never argued this.

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and Snake doesn't even mesh well with the Smash universe.

Statiing your opinion as fact again?

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Don't open your mouth like that... makes you sound dumb.

LOL

[Sarail]

Geez, I never thought one would have to rip apart the English language step-by-step in order for pessimistic people to comprehend another's opinion.

Ya know what, no.  It is very likely that Sora could appear in Smash.  That's fact.  Keyword there for ya, bub, is of course could.

Aside from all that, speculating about games that we all love is what gets us all excited about games in the first place.  That's why we all choose to come onto these message boards and talk about it.

People such as yourself ruin the fun that we have talking about it.  

[Ceric]

lol.  This is the only place I go to where its not uncommon to have heated debate because of quirks in the English language being dissected.

[anubis6789]

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That their speculation is baseless, or crap, or wrong.

Unless they can prove otherwise what they were speculating was baseless and full of crap. I never said they were wrong.

Why is the onus on Rachtman to prove his speculation, and not your own? The only thing that we have to go on is that Sakurai said that in order for a third party character to be considered, they (the third party character) would have to have a game on a Nintendo system, which Sora does. Those two facts gives more credence to the speculative arguments of those who thinks that Sora is in then those who do not.

Personally, I do not think that Sora has a snowball's chance in Hell of being in SSBB, and I would not like him to be in anyway, I did not care much for KH.

I also feel bad about getting into this argument anyway, seeing as how I somehow opened the flood gates on the Dasmos Hate Club, which I am sorry about. I was just trying to jab you a little with no malicious intent.

Edit: I was originally using myself in the first sentence, but then it occurred to me that since I was not the original person bringing up Sora in Brawl, that it may be confusing.

[Dasmos]

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Ya know what, no.  It is very likely that Sora could appear in Smash.  That's fact.  Keyword there for ya, bub, is of course could.

Of course Sora could be included. I just don't know where you're pulling the "very likely" from. Actually I have a pretty good idea.

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Originally posted by: anubis6789
That their speculation is baseless, or crap, or wrong.

Unless they can prove otherwise what they were speculating was baseless and full of crap. I never said they were wrong.

Why is the onus on me to prove to prove my speculation, and not your own?

I'm not the one spouting ridiculous claims, that's why. If you claim you were abducted by aliens, you have to have some evidence to back up your claim.

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Personally, I do not think that Sora has a snowball's chance in Hell of being in SSBB, and I would not like him to be in anyway, I did not care much for KH.

Ditto.

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I also feel bad about getting into this argument anyway, seeing as how I somehow opened the flood gates on the Dasmos Hate Club, which I am sorry about. I was just trying to jab you a little with no malicious intent.

lol, no worries.

[Mashiro]

hey look! An argument I had no part of for once!

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i'd rather see him in X - X3 armor. Anything after X3 was trash, especially the second armor from X4 :shutter:
of course a standard x w/o armor is good too

Yeah my favorite armor designs came from those games. Capcom really made the series crap after X3, aside from the inclusion of Zero being a fully playable character,  

[Louieturkey]

Mega Man definitely has the most chance for a third party character next to Sonic.  In fact, MM has appeared in A LOT more games on Nintendo consoles than Sonic anyways.

Mega Man 1-7
Mega Man Soccer
Mega Man X 1-3
Mega Man GB 1-5
Mega Man Battle Network 1-6 (5 & 6 were each 2 or 3 games as well)
Mega Man (that funky BN spinoff on the GC)
Mega Man Collection
Mega Man 64

I'm probably missing some even now as I didn't go to Wikipedia to find this out.  This was off the top of my head.
So I'm hoping for Mega Man.  Here's hoping it's either the original and he can use Rush for different attacks, or X as he was just cool.

[anubis6789]

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lol.  This is the only place I go to where its not uncommon to have heated debate because of quirks in the English language being dissected.

You have never been to the Gamefaqs SSBB board (or all boards for that matter) have you?

It is like here but with 400 units of pure stupid.

[Louieturkey]

Just thought of this while reading through posts.  What if Mega Man (whatever version ends up in the game if he gets in), whenever he smashes someone out actually acquires a talent from that character.  He smashes Mario, he gets fireballs.  He smashes Jigglypuff, he learns to sing.  He smashes Link, he gets bombs or arrows.  He smashes Ike, he gets an awesome sword.

This idea now gets me giddy and now I have even higher hopes for MM to be in the game.

[EasyCure]

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Mega Man definitely has the most chance for a third party character next to Sonic.  In fact, MM has appeared in A LOT more games on Nintendo consoles than Sonic anyways.

Mega Man 1-7
Mega Man Soccer
Mega Man X 1-3
Mega Man GB 1-5
Mega Man Battle Network 1-6 (5 & 6 were each 2 or 3 games as well)
Mega Man (that funky BN spinoff on the GC)
Mega Man Collection
Mega Man 64

I'm probably missing some even now as I didn't go to Wikipedia to find this out.  This was off the top of my head.
So I'm hoping for Mega Man.  Here's hoping it's either the original and he can use Rush for different attacks, or X as he was just cool.

poor Mega Man X: Command Mission lol.

yeah with the "had to of been on a nintendo platform" criteria, megaman has been in more games that appeared on their systems more than anyone. It would be like a slap in the face to capcom to NOT have him in the game at this point. As a blue bomber fan since the original game i would absolutely be crushed if he didnt make it into the game knowing he could be, again based on the criteria (that we know about). Megaman has been in more games on nintendo than Snake has so i dont see why he shouldnt be included. Im not sure about Sonic but i feel like megaman has been in more nintendo games than he has too, so if sonic gets in and megaman doesnt.... wow.. i'll just be crushed.

and yes, the stealing of powerups has been discussed many many times in here. everytime we bring up another character we'd like to see we recycle our ideas aallll over again. the only exception is when we know more details about the game, like smash balls, which opens new ideas, like the one i mentioned in a previous post.

if they do have megaman, the original version, i think a cool final smash would be if he used his rush power adaptor from mm6 or 7 (prefferably the flying one*) to fly around blasting charged shots or those fist missiles. Most likely it'll be something lame like having auto, beat, rush, and eddie all attacking with him at once (ala mm8)
I would much rather prefer the X incarnation though since we already have a fighting game with original Megaman, but if not i hope they can be unique with him and not use the same moves found in marvel vs capcom (tengu glade, mega ball, leaf sheild..uhm... thats all i remember).

and yes, no megaman BN or those other ds incarnations. Especially if they include zero (playable or assist) i want the original version over those Zero and other versions.

[Mashiro]

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and yes, no megaman BN or those other ds incarnations. Especially if they include zero (playable or assist) i want the original version over those Zero and other versions.

Couldn't agree more.

Zero's "redesign" for the DS is one of the worst character design changes I've seen in Video Game history. I freaking hate the Zero on DS.

If there is one thing the PSX versions of MMX got right, it was Zero's design.

[EasyCure]

there was only one thing more stupid than the redesign, and that was the explanation behind it... ugh.
dont get me wrong, i actually found the mmZ games fun and pretty challenging when i finally got a ds (i know i know, their gba games but i skipped the gba so when i got a ds i had to backtrack on games)

it was bad enough that people thought he was a SHE since the first game on SNES (not psx mashiro, its not like they changed his design from snes to psx, so your comment just confused me). the mmZ incarnation looks too feminine.. i mean c'mon he has accentuated hips!! wtf? they ruined X too by making him look kinda fat, not Copy x, he was pretty badass, but the 'fairy' x.. disgraceful

[Mashiro]

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it was bad enough that people thought he was a SHE since the first game on SNES (not psx mashiro, its not like they changed his design from snes to psx, so your comment just confused me).

I think two thoughts are colliding there lol.

From a Sprite / 2D stand point, Zero always looked better (IMHO) on the PSX. On the SNES Zero always kinda . . . I dunno they never quite got the sprites right. Overall Zero's final look, animations, attacks, etc, all came together really well on the Playstation 2D versions. While the overall design concepts might not have changed much from SNES to PSX they certainly executed it better on the PSX.

Where as with X, they absolutely destroyed his model and I always preferred his look on the SNES MMX games.  

[nickmitch]

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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
Just thought of this while reading through posts.  What if Mega Man (whatever version ends up in the game if he gets in), whenever he smashes someone out actually acquires a talent from that character.  He smashes Mario, he gets fireballs.  He smashes Jigglypuff, he learns to sing.  He smashes Link, he gets bombs or arrows.  He smashes Ike, he gets an awesome sword.

This idea now gets me giddy and now I have even higher hopes for MM to be in the game.

Having to kill someone to get their powers would suck strategy wise. It'd be easier if you could just grab a character and gain their powers.