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RE: Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1775 on: August 02, 2007, 09:16:34 PM »
Who says the developers didn't have time to both polish the multiplayer and make the single player mode more than just a means of unlocking stuff?

There's really nothing to suggest that online was axed at the expense of the new Adventure mode. If there's no online, I think it'd be due to it not working well enough to implement broken. Fighting games rely on frame by frame accuracy. If they can't keep that in tact, it's almost not worth including and I certainly wouldn't want it half-assed either.

Anyway... I hope that's Palutina in the bottom right pic above the movie and that's she's selectable. Newcomer Palutina. OMG! L33t.

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« Reply #1776 on: August 02, 2007, 09:17:00 PM »
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He's right though, you are making out like just because some of us didn't get absolutely pissed over clones in Melee that we will just be ok with certain features (or lack of features) in Brawl such as online.

Unfair assumptions my dear.


We'll see, if the response to me trying to bring down the single player mode to land levels is any indication I'm not sure if the game can do no wrong.
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RE:Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1777 on: August 02, 2007, 09:19:03 PM »
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He's right though, you are making out like just because some of us didn't get absolutely pissed over clones in Melee that we will just be ok with certain features (or lack of features) in Brawl such as online.

Unfair assumptions my dear.


We'll see.


Yeah I'll be super happy about no online. Is that what you're waiting to see? Get real.

Thanks for ruining my freaking happiness over this update. Next time you wanna kill the mood keep it to yourself for a day or something yesh.

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RE: Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1778 on: August 02, 2007, 09:19:49 PM »
Look, Nintendo knows how we feel about online. They know how we feel about Brawl online. If there is ANY shred of the hardcore-appeasing, non-casual-cradling Nintendo still left in that company, if they have any decency or any respect for the fans that made them who they are with years of blind loyalty, then there will be some sort of online for Brawl. Even if it's just 1-on-1.
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« Reply #1779 on: August 02, 2007, 09:19:53 PM »
Oh god... I read that as Paulina for a moment and totally had a WTF moment.
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RE: Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1780 on: August 02, 2007, 09:21:12 PM »
Here's the problem with that logic, TVman.

Back when Endless Ocean, Mario Strikers Charged and Batallion Wars were announced they confirmed right away that they would have online play.

With Brawl, however, all that we have heard about the online play is that they only got 1 on 1 matches working and that stuff like leader boards and ranked matches would be hard to pull off.

Since then, nothing. The fact that they are keeping quiet and have said nothing but negative stuff leads me to believe that online was somehow scrapped and they are making up for it by including a detailed single player.

Of course, I am the first to admit that I could be dead wrong with this and there's the opportunity that they will make a massive announcement about it. I'm just saying that the silence on online play along with the big emphasis on single player mode leads me to believe that something is up.
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RE:Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1781 on: August 02, 2007, 09:21:20 PM »
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He's right though, you are making out like just because some of us didn't get absolutely pissed over clones in Melee that we will just be ok with certain features (or lack of features) in Brawl such as online.

Unfair assumptions my dear.


We'll see.


Yeah I'll be super happy about no online. Is that what you're waiting to see? Get real.

Thanks for ruining my freaking happiness over this update. Next time you wanna kill the mood keep it to yourself for a day or something yesh.


Yeah, anyone that has a different take on something in Smash Brothers should learn to keep it to themselves, can't have opposing opinions here. Nono, not that.
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RE:Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1782 on: August 02, 2007, 09:22:48 PM »
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Look, Nintendo knows how we feel about online. They know how we feel about Brawl online. If there is ANY shred of the hardcore-appeasing, non-casual-cradling Nintendo still left in that company, if they have any decency or any respect for the fans that made them who they are with years of blind loyalty, then there will be some sort of online for Brawl. Even if it's just 1-on-1.


I really hope if online is there it is 4 player if it is possible. I'll be dissapointed if it is only 1 on 1 since I've never really enjoyed playing 1 on 1 matches in Smash. Then again if they include bots that are somewhat challenging that could help.
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« Reply #1783 on: August 02, 2007, 09:24:09 PM »
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Yeah, anyone that has a different take on something in Smash Brothers should learn to keep it to themselves, can't have opposing opinions here. Nono, not that.


Same with Alien Syndrome and FarCry and Sprung and countless other games! *ggrrrrrr* I'll take on all comers! Have at ya! Have at ya!
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RE:Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1784 on: August 02, 2007, 09:24:31 PM »
Well to begin NIntendo to fix their servers, you can't have Mario Strikers esque failure going around for Brawl if it is in.
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RE:Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1785 on: August 02, 2007, 09:25:01 PM »
When did people start thinking that additions to a game means something else is removed?  If people here have learned anything from being Nintendo fans it is that outside of launch games they delay big games to add in the new features, they don't axe other parts.  Why don't you bitch about every new thing added because it could have somehow taken away from another part of the game.

This new update has put Smash Bros. way up on my list.  It was below my top 3 but if the single player pans out it is moving right next to Mario Galaxy.

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« Reply #1786 on: August 02, 2007, 09:25:18 PM »
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Yeah, anyone that has a different take on something in Smash Brothers should learn to keep it to themselves, can't have opposing opinions here. Nono, not that.


Same with Alien Syndrome and FarCry and Sprung and countless other games! *ggrrrrrr* I'll take on all comers! Have at ya! Have at ya!


The funny thing is that I thought Melee was a great game and I have no doubt Brawl will be even better, yet I'm made out to be this super hardcore Brawl hater because I question the single player mode.
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RE:Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1787 on: August 02, 2007, 09:25:35 PM »
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We'll see, if the response to me trying to bring down the single player mode to land levels is any indication I'm not sure if the game can do no wrong.


To what point? Is there something wrong if people get very excited in this thread about a new feature that has just been announced? People go crazy over a bullet point in a press release sometimes that states something new, but we are being shown it here through screens. Our excitement is not totally unfounded or anything, nor does it substantiate that the multiplayer must suffer or other excuses I have heard for why we, I guess, shouldn't be celebrating.

Stealth trolling was poor wording on my part before, but, in the vein I was going for, you certainly seem to be trying to "rain on everybody's parade" about what is simply a newly announced and more "robust" single player mode.
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RE:Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1788 on: August 02, 2007, 09:26:31 PM »
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Look, Nintendo knows how we feel about online. They know how we feel about Brawl online. If there is ANY shred of the hardcore-appeasing, non-casual-cradling Nintendo still left in that company, if they have any decency or any respect for the fans that made them who they are with years of blind loyalty, then there will be some sort of online for Brawl. Even if it's just 1-on-1.


I really hope if online is there it is 4 player if it is possible. I'll be dissapointed if it is only 1 on 1 since I've never really enjoyed playing 1 on 1 matches in Smash. Then again if they include bots that are somewhat challenging that could help.


Super Pessimist: No online
Pessimist: 1v1 online only, no items
Optimist: 4 player online, 2 consoles only, items maybe
Super Optimist: 4 player online, 4 consoles, items

I choose Optimist!

I don't want to imagine what Ian-level pessimism would be...
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RE:Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1789 on: August 02, 2007, 09:27:01 PM »
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Here's the problem with that logic, TVman.

Back when Endless Ocean, Mario Strikers Charged and Batallion Wars were announced they confirmed right away that they would have online play.

With Brawl, however, all that we have heard about the online play is that they only got 1 on 1 matches working and that stuff like leader boards and ranked matches would be hard to pull off.

Since then, nothing. The fact that they are keeping quiet and have said nothing but negative stuff leads me to believe that online was somehow scrapped and they are making up for it by including a detailed single player.

Of course, I am the first to admit that I could be dead wrong with this and there's the opportunity that they will make a massive announcement about it. I'm just saying that the silence on online play along with the big emphasis on single player mode leads me to believe that something is up.


I have a problem with that, too, but I don't see this as some sort of distraction from a lack of online play. with 85 update days to go, I just have to believe, for no reason other than my own stubbornness to not give up hope, that it will exist. I just really want them to be saving it for when hype for the game is dying down amongst the releases of other big name titles across the board.
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« Reply #1790 on: August 02, 2007, 09:27:51 PM »
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Look, Nintendo knows how we feel about online. They know how we feel about Brawl online. If there is ANY shred of the hardcore-appeasing, non-casual-cradling Nintendo still left in that company, if they have any decency or any respect for the fans that made them who they are with years of blind loyalty, then there will be some sort of online for Brawl. Even if it's just 1-on-1.


I really hope if online is there it is 4 player if it is possible. I'll be dissapointed if it is only 1 on 1 since I've never really enjoyed playing 1 on 1 matches in Smash. Then again if they include bots that are somewhat challenging that could help.


Super Pessimist: No online
Pessimist: 1v1 online only, no items
Optimist: 4 player online, 2 consoles only, items maybe
Super Optimist: 4 player online, 4 consoles, items

I choose Optimist!


You know I wonder if they could possibly tone down the visuals for online play? Wouldn't that help stability?
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« Reply #1791 on: August 02, 2007, 09:28:41 PM »
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Here's the problem with that logic, TVman.

Back when Endless Ocean, Mario Strikers Charged and Batallion Wars were announced they confirmed right away that they would have online play.

With Brawl, however, all that we have heard about the online play is that they only got 1 on 1 matches working and that stuff like leader boards and ranked matches would be hard to pull off.

Since then, nothing. The fact that they are keeping quiet and have said nothing but negative stuff leads me to believe that online was somehow scrapped and they are making up for it by including a detailed single player.

Of course, I am the first to admit that I could be dead wrong with this and there's the opportunity that they will make a massive announcement about it. I'm just saying that the silence on online play along with the big emphasis on single player mode leads me to believe that something is up.


I have a problem with that, too, but I don't see this as some sort of distraction from a lack of online play. with 85 update days to go, I just have to believe, for no reason other than my own stubbornness to not give up hope, that it will exist. I just really want them to be saving it for when hype for the game is dying down amongst the releases of other big name titles across the board.


When is this so called dying down of big releases? Seems like we have a pretty packed schedule this winter!  
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RE:Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1792 on: August 02, 2007, 09:30:51 PM »
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Since then, nothing. The fact that they are keeping quiet and have said nothing but negative stuff leads me to believe that online was somehow scrapped and they are making up for it by including a detailed single player.

Of course, I am the first to admit that I could be dead wrong with this and there's the opportunity that they will make a massive announcement about it. I'm just saying that the silence on online play along with the big emphasis on single player mode leads me to believe that something is up.


Brawl's revealing habits have been anything but normal, this daily blog is proof enough of that. If Sakurai has the level of control that it appears he does over when major stuff is shown off, then I certainly wouldn't start coming to conclusions about features. After all, we know nothing about the other third party characters in the game. That would probably be a major game seller, and other developers would be chanting their names... but that's not the case, and I don't think Snake will be the only one simply because they have been silent on it for so long.
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« Reply #1793 on: August 02, 2007, 09:31:47 PM »
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When is this so called dying down of big releases? Seems like we have a pretty packed schedule this winter!


He meant the hype for Brawl being drowned out by the other big names that people will be talking about.  Even amidst releases of Halo 3 brawl having online would be a huge announcement the gaming press would all pick up.

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« Reply #1794 on: August 02, 2007, 09:32:09 PM »
THis is an off topic question (kind of) but how long has Brawl been in development? Two years?
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« Reply #1795 on: August 02, 2007, 09:32:09 PM »
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Here's the problem with that logic, TVman.

Back when Endless Ocean, Mario Strikers Charged and Batallion Wars were announced they confirmed right away that they would have online play.

With Brawl, however, all that we have heard about the online play is that they only got 1 on 1 matches working and that stuff like leader boards and ranked matches would be hard to pull off.

Since then, nothing. The fact that they are keeping quiet and have said nothing but negative stuff leads me to believe that online was somehow scrapped and they are making up for it by including a detailed single player.

Of course, I am the first to admit that I could be dead wrong with this and there's the opportunity that they will make a massive announcement about it. I'm just saying that the silence on online play along with the big emphasis on single player mode leads me to believe that something is up.


I have a problem with that, too, but I don't see this as some sort of distraction from a lack of online play. with 85 update days to go, I just have to believe, for no reason other than my own stubbornness to not give up hope, that it will exist. I just really want them to be saving it for when hype for the game is dying down amongst the releases of other big name titles across the board.


When is this so called dying down of big releases? Seems like we have a pretty packed schedule this winter!


Well, think about it. We're all talking about Brawl now, but what are we playing? Strikers? Pfft. Now, what will we be playing this fall? A ton of sh!t, especially if you own more than one system. Besides, you can expect Brawl to be the talk of the town forever. All I was suggesting is that once it drops from the spot of the first four words on everyone's lips is when they'll announce online play.
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« Reply #1796 on: August 02, 2007, 09:34:30 PM »
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Here's the problem with that logic, TVman.

Back when Endless Ocean, Mario Strikers Charged and Batallion Wars were announced they confirmed right away that they would have online play.

With Brawl, however, all that we have heard about the online play is that they only got 1 on 1 matches working and that stuff like leader boards and ranked matches would be hard to pull off.

Since then, nothing. The fact that they are keeping quiet and have said nothing but negative stuff leads me to believe that online was somehow scrapped and they are making up for it by including a detailed single player.

Of course, I am the first to admit that I could be dead wrong with this and there's the opportunity that they will make a massive announcement about it. I'm just saying that the silence on online play along with the big emphasis on single player mode leads me to believe that something is up.


I have a problem with that, too, but I don't see this as some sort of distraction from a lack of online play. with 85 update days to go, I just have to believe, for no reason other than my own stubbornness to not give up hope, that it will exist. I just really want them to be saving it for when hype for the game is dying down amongst the releases of other big name titles across the board.


When is this so called dying down of big releases? Seems like we have a pretty packed schedule this winter!


Well, think about it. We're all talking about Brawl now, but what are we playing? Strikers? Pfft. Now, what will we be playing this fall? A ton of sh!t, especially if you own more than one system. Besides, you can expect Brawl to be the talk of the town forever. All I was suggesting is that once it drops from the spot of the first four words on everyone's lips is when they'll announce online play.


If only you could see the games I am interested in this year, I have trouble getting excited about anything because there is SO MUCH!
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RE:Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1797 on: August 02, 2007, 09:35:00 PM »
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THis is an off topic question (kind of) but how long has Brawl been in development? Two years?


Give or take. The old site used to say exactly when, but, as I recall, it started to move toward becoming reality shortly after the Wii's first E3 (when we saw that pre-rendered Metroid footage).
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RE:Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1798 on: August 02, 2007, 09:35:56 PM »
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THis is an off topic question (kind of) but how long has Brawl been in development? Two years?


If I am not mistaken, roughly a year.

From Wikipedia:
"Masahiro Sakurai, former HAL Laboratory employee and creator of Kirby and the Super Smash Bros. series, returns as the director for the game. Sakurai revealed that at E3, he was called to executive producer Satoru Iwata's room on the top floor of a Los Angeles hotel, and told by Iwata, "We'd like you to be involved in the production of the new Smash Bros., if possible near the level of director".[17] Although originally suggested to be a launch title, an IGN article states that "as of May 2005, the game's development staff consisted of exactly one person," Sakurai himself, actual development of the game never started until late 2005. Sakurai states that many people who have spent excessive amounts of time playing Super Smash Bros. Melee are being brought in as the development team and the team will have access to all the original material and tools from the development of Melee, courtesy of HAL Laboratory.[18]

The game was absent from Nintendo's Wii showing at its 2006 Pre-E3 press conference. The next day, on Wednesday, May 10, 2006, at the After-Hours Press Conference, Nintendo officially revealed the game under the name of Super Smash Bros. Brawl. In an interview with IGN, Sakurai said the Wii's motion sensing features might not be included because, "we found that trying to implement too much motion-sensory functionality can get in the way of the game."[14] As far as Wi-Fi play is concerned, both Iwata and Sakurai have expressed an interest in the incorporation of some functionality.[19][14] However, as stated in the Toukouken on the Japanese version of the Smash Bros. website, "there would be many hurdles to cross," and an online ranking system is unlikely to be implemented.[20]

Sakurai has updated the site to say that it will be a little longer before the game will be playable. During a test play between Sakurai and Hideo Kojima, Kojima stated that the game feels complete and that Nintendo "could put it out right now and it could sell millions of copies."[21] Starting May 22, 2007, the site has had updates every weekday. At the Nintendo Media Conference at E3 2007, it was announced by Reggie Fils-Aime that Super Smash Bros. Brawl would be released on December 3, 2007 in the Americas. [2]"
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RE: Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Megathread
« Reply #1799 on: August 02, 2007, 09:36:17 PM »
Apparently true development began late 2005.