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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2007, 10:54:27 PM »
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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2007, 10:56:36 PM »
Its like "I Can't Believe Its Not News," only you can tell the difference. Unless you are a moron.

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RE: Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2007, 04:00:53 AM »
Isn't news that thing where you interview random jerks who were taking a bath just 20 blocks away from the incident?
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RE: Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2007, 08:54:51 AM »
I'd like to throttle the retards who thought it was a good idea to make a Columbine simulation game because they're just giving Thompson more ammunition.
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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2007, 08:58:53 AM »
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I'd like to throttle the retards who thought it was a good idea to make a Columbine simulation game because they're just giving Thompson more ammunition.


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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2007, 09:45:13 AM »
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I'd like to throttle the retards who thought it was a good idea to make a Columbine simulation game because they're just giving Thompson more ammunition.

It was set to win the game contest it was entered in until it was disqualified for content. Too bad the other developers decided that censorship was wrong and they pulled all thier games too. Besided Thompson can have all the ammunition he wants, he's still only shooting blanks.

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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2007, 11:24:34 AM »
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1 Besided Thompson can have all the ammunition he wants, he's still only shooting blanks.


That's the thing: if the f*cker keeps at this for long enough and manages to start a general public outcry, he might actually get something to stick against gaming which will result in the government creating some new laws regarding gaming content.

A Columbine game is pretty damn close to the ammo he needs. All of his strength stems from misguiding and angering the public (which seems to be all the rage these days), but if he could point the finger of morality to the extent that it whips people into an angered frenzy, enough letters to congressmen might get something to happen.

The first 9/11 game we see released will probably do just that.
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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2007, 12:04:53 PM »
I don't get comparing Counter-Strike/Half-Life to a school shooting. Jack really needs to at least read about the games. I mean, in Half-Life 2 you can't even hurt any non-enemies. And Counter-Strike is entirely about Counter-Terrorists fighting Terrorists, not shooting innocents (though, hostages do get caught in the crossfire often. I'm very much glad CS is in no way a true simulation, or else I'd fear for our nation's safety).

I still don't get the Columbine game. As SB said, it's the perfect thing they need for serious anti-game laws to be passed. And I don't see how it would be fun. Shooting innocents is in no way challenging.
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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2007, 12:21:34 PM »
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I'd like to throttle the retards who thought it was a good idea to make a Columbine simulation game because they're just giving Thompson more ammunition.


It's a completely basic top down RPG made with RPG Maker, there's pretty much nothing you can learn about killing people from the game. Other than to don't trust your idiot friend to set the proper time on the timebomb...

It's a pretty boring game gameplay-wise, the developer even said so. It's more just a very slightly interactive look at what was going through their mind before they did it. Not much different than a book or a movie, except that it looks like a JRPG.

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RE: Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2007, 12:38:19 PM »
The sad truth is, none of those facts would ever make it to the eyes or ears of the public.

All JT would ensure that they hear is "SOMEONE MADE A COLUMBINE VIDEOGAME, THEREFORE VIDEO GAMES ARE EVIL!!!!" and there's a certain number of people who would listen to him because they don't understand the context but it enrages them.
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RE: Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2007, 04:30:13 PM »
Speaking of the Columbine game, Jack continued the lie taht some killer from some school shooting or cited it as his favorite video game. Of course, this was false and the killer in question managed to list about 40 favorite games none of which were Super Columbine Massacre RPG!
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RE: Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2007, 04:42:05 PM »
That's it. Jack Thompson has convinced me. If I ever have kids, I'm never letting them play Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney.  
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RE: Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2007, 05:38:54 PM »
Did it turn out that this guy actually played violent video games.  I mean its just silly that JT just assumed that he did before anybody even knew who the shooter was.  Seems like he sees these tragedies and rather than feeling sorry for the victims, he instantly wonders "How can I use this to advance my political views?"

This shooter Cho, he obviously was a very very tormented soul, His notes, plays, and the videos sent to NBC only scratch the surface of some extremely deep complicated mental problems.  It should be obvious to anybody with half a brain that video games had absolutely nothing to do with this. (I know Im preaching to the choir here)  
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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2007, 05:52:37 PM »
I believe it was mentioned in an article somehwere that high school friends of his that he played CounterStrike. (And that it was "published by Microsoft" so he must have been playing the Xbox version!)

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Several Korean youths who knew Cho Seung Hui from his high school days said he was a fan of violent video games, particularly Counterstrike, a hugely popular online game published by Microsoft, in which players join terrorism or counterterrorism groups and try to shoot each other using all types of guns.

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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2007, 06:54:55 PM »
I hear he's getting closer and closer to getting disbarred in Florida. How's that moving along? :3

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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2007, 06:19:45 AM »
I gotta agree with Smash_Brother here.  The moment I heard about the game I thought "Christ, now JT has something that can legitimately make the apathetic angry."  Then again, I figured he would have had more of a field day with JFK Reloaded.
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RE: Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2007, 06:51:33 AM »
leave it up to television to find the most stupid person around and put them on tv
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RE: Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2007, 07:13:31 AM »
For those of you who say only Fox News would put him on air, know that Hardball featured him, and there's an article with the clip on kotaku.  In it, Matthews at first doubts Thompson, but it seems like he begins to believe him as time passes.  I swear, whenever a show features JT, they need to have someone on screen that knows what they are talking about to counter his "facts."

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RE: Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2007, 08:22:00 AM »
Dr. Phil must be sleeping with J.T because he jumped on the bandwagon right after he tried to link the shootings to video games.
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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2007, 09:20:36 AM »
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For those of you who say only Fox News would put him on air, know that Hardball featured him, and there's an article with the clip on kotaku.  In it, Matthews at first doubts Thompson, but it seems like he begins to believe him as time passes.  I swear, whenever a show features JT, they need to have someone on screen that knows what they are talking about to counter his "facts."


Exactly, and therein lies the REAL danger JT poses: he has no intention of playing fair. He will never pass up a chance to lie, deceive and outright manipulate the information presented to the public so he can further his own agenda. In his mind, he probably believes that god wants him to do this, even if it requires dishonesty.

And THAT is why games like Columbine and JFK reloaded are so insanely idiotic. If I were Jack Thompson, I'd want nothing more than for someone to create games like that because I could use it to whip the public into a lynch-mob frenzy. It doesn't matter how poorly done the games are. The fact that they exist is enough for JT to mention them and point out how evil and terrible they are, spouting lines like "What could be so heartless and cruel as to glorify the events of Columbine? Video games, THAT'S what!"

We all look at this f*cker as a pesky little gnat, but if he goes unchecked long enough, he has the potential do some real damage, like ratifying a bill which dictates that all games must adhere to strict content guidelines, M rated or otherwise.

Remember that he's not out to ensure that M games don't find their way into the hands of children who shouldn't play them. He wants to see the entire industry go down in flames, period, and the fact that he has recently gotten Dr. Phil to join his crusade is a very bad sign.

Tons upon tons of white trash watches Dr. Phil, the exact same kinds of people who can easily be whipped into a lynch-mob frenzy.
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RE: Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2007, 09:41:55 AM »
How many people listen to Rush Limbauch?

I asked because he commented on Thompson and Phil's claims.

EDIT: OK, found the original statement:
"CALLER: What I really think is an issue is video violence, video gaming. I will guarantee you, I’ll bet my last dollar in my pocket, that this shooter will be found to have been a compulsive video gamer, and when people are living that kind of lifestyle — and college students do this a lot.

RUSH: (sigh) Let’s say you’re right. Not every video gamer goes out and murders 33 people on the college campus though. There’s more to this than that. We can find all kinds of societal problems and ills, but the fact of the matter is that whatever you would look at as a bad influence — video games as you mentioned — it may desensitize people, but it doesn’t turn everybody into mass murderers."
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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2007, 06:43:52 PM »
But they searched his dorm room and he didn't own a single videogame.

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RE: Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2007, 07:15:57 PM »
Well, after watching the AOTS chat they all had back when Bully was close to coming out, I have to say, I was saddened.  It seems to me like no one that gets put on the air is able to combat what Jack Thompson says directly to him.  I mean, I disagree thoroughly, and I can't believe how convicted he is in his thoughts and actions, but I have yet to see one time where someone has gone against Jack Thompson, and from a neutral point of view, come out on top, in terms of a Television interview, BTW, not Penny Arcade, and not in the courtroom.  I think what it comes down to is that Thompson knows his stuff, he knows his point, and remains focused on that, and that he expects what most people have to say.  You can bet if Thompson had called onto that show, Limbaugh wouldn't have had such an easy time winning over a neutral audience, provided both sides get a fair say.

I have to agree with Penny Arcade, though.  I think the best way to prove him wrong is to show the great things games and gamers have down, while comparing games to earlier media that was censored previously, but is now considered brilliant works of art.  It would be important not to get caught up in things that have already been deemed bad by the public, such as Hot Coffee, and instead deem this as a big mistake the developers left in, and shouldn't have.  In reference to Super Columbine Massacre, talk about the award it almost received, first off, and secondly, attempt to get footage of the game on air, even if only brief, to allow the audience to know that you couldn't train to kill on the game.

Bring up Child's Play, and ask him what he thinks about that, and then bring up studies about stress, and studies about how gaming relieves stress.

To end up the discussion, I imagine that you could go with one of any different scenarios.  You can talk about how there were school shootings before games were commercially available, though you can be sure Thompson expects that, he gets it a lot.  You could bring up that when Hitler was in jail was when he wrote Mein Kampf, ultimately, a form of ultimate censorship, and obviously, this didn't stop him from his atrocities against humanity.  That may be a little too dramatic, though, and would make you look like a crazy extremist.  I suppose another option would be to bring up the value of family, and that, as with any form of media, it is important for families to be actively involved in all types of media their children observe, teaching them what is appropriate, and using the time spent as bonding time as well.

That seems pretty sound to me, and shows that games, just because they can be violent, do not cause violence in those playing them.  Somewhere, I suppose it should be mentioned that the Washington Post retracted the part of the article that blamed Counter-Strike.  Overall, I really haven't spent too much time following Thompson's actions until now, and on television, I have to say, to a neutral audience, he is a very convincing person.  He appeals to things normal people like, and he references things that they don't know about, so they don't know any better than to trust him.  It's sad for me to say this, but I feel like most people I have read from on the internet, including the owners of several major gaming sites, seem to be able to see how well he speaks on camera, and how influential he can be.  Instead, they become outraged, and if given the opportunity, they react to Thompson like Sessler did, not even intending to.  Unfortunately, Sessler was prepared to make an argument, with references and studies, and the like, but he isn't used to being off script, nor is he used to arguing against someone that can purport himself as a hero on camera so easily.  If you watched that hardball clip objectively, you'll see that he has little problem convincing Matthews that there were video games out there for people to train how to kill on, despite the fact that Matthews typically remains incredibly skeptical of anyone that appears on his show, especially those who are conservative.

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RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2007, 07:44:51 PM »
Jack Thompson as been muzzled - for now
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He tried to tackle Rockstar's gay-kissing Bully game, then moved his target to Grand Theft Auto IV, and then frantically tried to find people who would still listen to him overseas on his march to prevent Manhunt 2. Luckily, Take Two Interactive filed for the equivalent of a restraining order, and with this settlement, we can finally game in peace for at least a short while. Thompson has agreed that he:

-will not sue or threaten to sue to block sale or distribution of any game published by Take Two or its subsidiaries (i.e., Rockstar)

-will not communicate to Take Two or anyone doing business with T2 (like, say Wal-Mart) any accusation that the company committed any wrongdoing by selling its games. Thompson is not restricted from criticizing the content of T2 games, nor is he prevented from acting as counsel in lawsuits brought against Take Two by other parties

-will make any future contacts with T2 through its attorneys

In return, Take Two dismissed their counterclaim and dropped the contempt of court charge on Jack Thompson. Basically, they put out a raccoon trap, caught the son of a bitch, and are releasing him into the wild, hoping he will never return.


This is the first step in the right direction. Soon people will just completely tune him out.