Author Topic: What's with all the negative editorials about the Wii? (Read 18006 times)

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 19, 2007, 10:02:55 AM »

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
"what do you guys think?"

"click here to read the full article and refresh the page and reload new ads. i'm not a journalist and i don't spend much time to verify the information i post since most readers will read the full article and load more ads and eventually email me i'm wrong then i can update the page so readers can come back and reload the same page with new ads and in the end nintendo seems fit to give me free stuff isn't this job great?"

OK seriously, what has the site and the creators done to you that makes them worthy of your angst?

I noticed that some people around here have some sort of issue with the website, why exactly? I suspect that some of the members may go there to post troll comments about the website and its creators.

There are some websites that are anger and angst worthy, yet Go Nintendo seems to receive a lot of it.

I want to know why exactly.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #26 on:** April 19, 2007, 10:03:26 AM »

Hey, not every site can be the stellar web presence that is Six Sided Video!

ShyGuy · « **Reply #27 on:** April 19, 2007, 10:05:26 AM »

Pro666 is a bastion of ill will. On the other hand, he is rarely serious unless talking about stuff like video capture and codecs.

I for one like GoNintendo and enjoy their podcasts. Rawmeat isn't a journalist; his website serves the purpose of being a accumulation for anything that has the word Nintendo in it.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 19, 2007, 10:13:55 AM »

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Originally posted by: ShyGuyI for one like GoNintendo and enjoy their podcasts. Rawmeat isn't a journalist; his website serves the purpose of being a accumulation for anything that has the word Nintendo in it.

So maybe that's why some users have issues with the site...

Personally, I don't mind it at all. I mean, it serves its purpose well and like I mentioned earlier they post news from some obscure websites that I might have missed. And they give a direct link to the original source or credit the user that submitted it, so its not like they claim it as their own find.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #29 on:** April 19, 2007, 10:23:08 AM »

Precisely.

1. Throw mud at what's popular
2. Give negative news (about anything) unnecessary amounts of attention

I poke at the "post first, ask questions later" nature of GoNintendo, which bypasses information validity and common sense to set it on the path to quick "media outlet superstardom". It shakes the notion of having an "established game news/review site" to build press relationships with game makers, simply by being a "hub" and not focusing on their own original content (yeah, whut the hell). It falls in line with Time's most recent "person of the year" concept.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #30 on:** April 19, 2007, 10:28:01 AM »

Welcome to Web 2.0 Pro.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #31 on:** April 19, 2007, 10:33:26 AM »

No thanks, it runs on Vista.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 19, 2007, 10:36:15 AM »

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Precisely.

1. Throw mud at what's popular
2. Give negative news (about anything) unnecessary amounts of attention

I poke at the "post first, ask questions later" nature of GoNintendo, which bypasses information validity and common sense to set it on the path to quick "media outlet superstardom". It shakes the notion of having an "established game news/review site" to build press relationships with game makers, simply by being a "hub" and not focusing on their own original content (yeah, whut the hell). It falls in line with Time's most recent "person of the year" concept.

So basically, this is the pop star argument. A singer with little to no talent gets all the attention, love and perks of superstardom, while the talented singers and indie bands get ignored and rejected. The exception here is that worthy websites get ignored while hub sites like Go Nintendo get better perks.

To make it clear, I never said that the website is the best there is. I said that for what it is, its a good site. Its true that many of us post news featured there, but that's because the info is always there. I mean, when the NiGHTS rumor surfaced, they posted every bit of info they could find until the news was made official. Even if some of the info isn't 100% accurate at least they post it so that we can know about it and come to our own conclusions.

I honestly don't like it when they post the shock stories, and the minute they do or say something that annoys me I will leave it forever. But until now, I don't have issues with it, despite journalistic integrity.

Strell · « **Reply #33 on:** April 19, 2007, 11:53:51 AM »

Hey, if I could make a living doing that, I damn well would.

But as of now I can't.

Kairon · « **Reply #34 on:** April 19, 2007, 03:40:41 PM »

I'm fine with Gonintendo.com because I'd like to think I'm smart enough to seperate the wheat from the chaff. The hard part, the real kicker, the LABOR is in finding everything. Gonintendo provides the service: I provide the analysis. They report, I decide. They're fox news. Wait... what?!?!?!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #35 on:** April 20, 2007, 06:22:42 AM »

So GoNintendo is not the drudge report and Fox News?!?

Ceric · « **Reply #36 on:** April 20, 2007, 07:55:13 AM »

I tend to get all my Nintendo news from here. Ironically enough. Anything thats really worth reading and my attention are filtered and put into a palpable form with a link, or what should be a link, here on the forums. Plus I automatically have a place to put my opinion with people that I tend to respect.

Kairon · « **Reply #37 on:** April 20, 2007, 08:08:14 AM »

There may be tons of news out there for info junkies like me, but ONLY in PGC do you get serious, intelligent, rational, entertaining, human, sincere, and respectable discourse!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #38 on:** April 20, 2007, 08:46:41 AM »

el-oh-el PGC is DEAD, you're living in the past.

Deguello · « **Reply #39 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:27:07 AM »

If Mr. Cassidy is not a journalist (i.e. a member of the press) then he should not benefit from the things that us journalists benefit from. He's been getting invites to big events and review copies of games. If he does deserve those things, then he should accept constructive and possibly a little destructive criticism for his journalism skills or lack thereof. Lately he has been enjoying both the protective cover of "I'm just a blogger!" and the press bennies, which isn't fair to those who actually work harder than he does. I mean anybody can throw up some screenshots, pretend to be a fan of the game, and then poll the readers as to what they think. In all honesty it feels like he's just pandering to his audience.

It doesn't help that the comment structure of these blogs allows for a multitude of stupidity from relatively anonymous sources. I mean seriously, the already have a message board for discussion, and message boards require a little bit more thought than blog comments.

EDIT: Oh yeah he likes to snarf reviews from a lot of other sites too, which I find a little annoying. I mean their readers got to comment on my review of Zoey 101 before you guys did. I mean I guess it does generate traffic to here, but it would have been nice if he asked first. He may end up snarfing something that a person with a little more money than usual and a little less patience will sue him into oblivion for.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #40 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:39:37 AM »

He runs a site (an info-posting service that actually generates revenue), not a blog (on online log that simply stores and presents one's thoughts, with no regard or association to commercial products/outside parties), so he can't hide behind the "blogger" veil of deception.

The industry benefits make him more like an online Oprah - he gets free junk from companies cuz people pay attention to him.

-oh yeah, i'll second the notion that the comments from his audience are generally awful.

Kairon · « **Reply #41 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:39:43 AM »

PHEAR BLOGGERS! PHEAR THE FUTURE!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #42 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:46:05 AM »

What blogger? You mean embedding a YouTube video without a single word of comment is a blog post? BACK TO THE DARKEST DEPTHS OF PGC WITH YE

ShyGuy · « **Reply #43 on:** April 20, 2007, 11:17:15 AM »

Suprise, suprise, haterade from Deguello.

I like the Oprah analogy. She's no journalist but gets coverage perks. You could say the same about people like John Stewart or Pat O'Brien.

Why don't you contact Nintendo and tell them to stop giving him free games? Or next time you see him at a press invite let him know how you feel? At least request that he stops linking to reviews that you have written.

As for the linking, he's using a short excerpt and linking the source, The courts have upheld that to be fair use.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #44 on:** April 20, 2007, 11:29:13 AM »

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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Suprise, suprise, haterade from Deguello.

I like the Oprah analogy. She's no journalist but gets coverage perks. You could say the same about people like John Stewart or Pat O'Brien.

Why don't you contact Nintendo and tell them to stop giving him free games? Or next time you see him at a press invite let him know how you feel? At least request that he stops linking to reviews that you have written.

As for the linking, he's using a short excerpt and linking the source, The courts have upheld that to be fair use.

To be honest, when we started talking about this I contacted RMC and asked him about the site perks and such.

First of all, they don't give him free games for the hell of it. He HAS to review them as soon as possible. He also receives press releases and official stuff from companies, something he has to do as well. Also, knowing from personal experience it isn't easy to get those perks, so I'm sure the site has to earn them.

He also told me that they do post the original and give credit to the original source. Pro complains about them just linking to other stories, but at least they give credit AND show us the original link. If he's annoyed when they are doing that, he would get several aneurysms if they didn't give credit or they take the credit.

To me, this seems like an issue of angst and envy towards the creators because they get a lot of perks and monetary compensation doing something they enjoy (talking about Nintendo).

I don't know the whole story from BOTH sides of the argument, but it seems to be that the angst some users have towards Go Nintendo is mainly teen and shallow envy.

Like I said, the website ain't perfect, but I know FAR WORSE websites that are far more worthy of hate than Go Nintendo is.

Kairon · « **Reply #45 on:** April 20, 2007, 12:05:09 PM »

Go Nintendo is fine guys. Jeez. It's... honest. Not up to your personal squeaky clean standards maybe, but honest.

Hate Gamespot instead. Them and Spong.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #46 on:** April 20, 2007, 12:25:25 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Go Nintendo is fine guys. Jeez. It's... honest. Not up to your personal squeaky clean standards maybe, but honest.

Hate Gamespot instead. Them and Spong.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

I agree with Kairon and Pap, I have alot of respect for the guy that runs Go Nintendo (though I cannot say the same about the majority of his viewers!).

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #47 on:** April 20, 2007, 12:32:42 PM »

pap's missing the point; what he mentioned is not what i'm complaining about; i probably haven't spelled it out clearly and you're probably lacking some details about what goes on behind the scenes concerning press relations so i forgive you.

It's become clearer to me that i should also be disgusted with game companies beyond GoNinblog-o for "approving" of the site's nature by extending press perks to it. Press relations traditionally are earned, and are difficult to earn, but this case involved some fundamental "shortcuts" that don't dwell well with me.

The Oprah analogy continues to apply, and it's here to stay.

Deguello · « **Reply #48 on:** April 21, 2007, 10:33:31 AM »

"As for the linking, he's using a short excerpt and linking the source, The courts have upheld that to be fair use. "

Yes it may be LEGAL, but dong it with my reviews without even telling NWR or at least ME is just in bad taste. The fact I had to find out about it thirdhand just irks me a little more. Then I find out he's been doing it since 2005? Well, you can possibly see why I'm a little more miffed than usual.

So I decided to enter their chatroom a few months ago and see what's up, maybe see if I can at least tell him my concerns. I was shouted out by their fans the very moment I brought up my concerns, saying I was a faker, and then that they "Didn't know what NWR was," and then referred to it as "some small unknown fan site." The mod in the room did not reply. All I asked was that they at least give me a HEADS UP that they were going to snarf my review and that they could stand to be a little more picky about news. Apparently, even though they eat at my table and even dare to pick off of my plate, they are too good to show me manners and professional courtesy.

This is how their community and staff responded to me, a 6-year veteran in this games press thing. I may not be the most professional guy on the block, but I at least expected a response and maybe thought I could be treated with a little bit of respect. Just a little. I don't ask a lot. You guys here defending GoNintendo and their community, please note that you are treating them a whole lot better than they treated me.

P.S.: And no I certainly am not jealous of their press goodies, as I get a few myself. I might be a little more angry at Nintendo PR for deeming them worthy of the stuff. But I can't help but feel a little irritated when they get the stuff and still profess to "not be journalists."

Kairon · « **Reply #49 on:** April 21, 2007, 11:12:02 AM »

Not staff Dequello. The readers who conglomerate at Gonintendo are the soil of the earth, the common clay of the internet... you know, Morons! (Yay Blazing Saddles reference!)

I highly doubt that ANYONE can control that kind of community, especially since Gonintendo is NOT a full fledged news site, but a... common watering hole.

Seriously Dequello, I TOTALLY BUY YOU about the Gonintendo readership treating you exceedingly inappropriately, but from what I read, you haven't interacted with any of their STAFF at all. The mod was probably afk as mods of internet chatrooms always are (btw, I went into the NWR chatroom once long ago... and NEVER returned. EVER. Ugh.) and... I assume you sent the Gonintendo staff an e-mail clearly and appropriately addressing your concerns? How did that turn out?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

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Author Topic: What's with all the negative editorials about the Wii? (Read 18006 times)