Author Topic: Official Gamezero Disscusion (Read 8627 times)

WaReW0Lf · « **on:** March 16, 2003, 11:26:24 PM »

Hey, Sorry if this is breaking any rules but i thought people might like to know this.

This is a direct quote from Nintendo Gamer Magazine based in Australia.

"Zoonami a relitively small development house in the UK, have recently partnered with Nintendo who will publish their upcoming title, codenamed Game ero. The head of Zoonami is Martin Hollis who was the lead designer on both Goldeneye and Perfect Dark for the N64.

I am really looking forward to this game. I think it will be even if not better than perfect dark if it is a First Person Shooter.

No rules broken, just don't declare your own posts "official" from now on. -Bloodworth

Hybrid Hunter · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2003, 12:22:48 AM »

Well, i can tell you now its not going to be a first person shooter.
Seeing that this game is being made by like 10 people and has been in development for a number of years now, i'm sure we'll see something at E3.

Tael · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2003, 02:15:30 AM »

It won't be an FPS

Bronto · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2003, 02:20:10 AM »

I just had a thought while I was reading the first post. Could it be possible these guys are creating the new donkey kong?

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2003, 02:57:16 AM »

I think it's cool how the ex-Rare teams are doing stuff that relates back to their past works.
If Zoonami is developing a DK game (hard to believe since thier censored press statement has the words space, telescopic and so forth in it, but it would be cool.

The news of EA possibly teaming with Free Radical to make the new Bond is also good news.

Whatever Zoonami are working on, it is sure to be cool, since they were what made Rare anyway (and Free Radical).

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2003, 05:27:27 AM »

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Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
If Zoonami is developing a DK game (hard to believe since thier censored press statement has the words space, telescopic and so forth in it, but it would be cool.

(Since it's Mar. 17) Hey, we've seen Leprechauns in Space, why not monkeys in space?

ThePerm · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2003, 06:16:01 AM »

ooh monkeys in space!

Gamefreak · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2003, 11:53:40 AM »

Nintendo said that EAD had taken over both GCN donkey kong games (Donkey Kong Racing and the "new" one) when Rare left.

Of course, the "new" secret one might just be DKR, or Racing might have been canned as we haven't heard from it in a while. Although all we saw was an FMV trailer, Rare did get pretty far in the game...so I hope they didn't can it. Besides, like 10 million people work at EAD i'm sure there is someone there...

Nintendo seems to be gathering up a great roster to make up for it's "losses". We lose Rare and Left Field and get Retro Studios, Silicon Knights, Zoonami, Factor 5, and Sonic Team. Retro and SK are both fully owned first partays now, and Zoonami seems like it will be gobbled up shortly. Factor 5 is still independent blab blah but they have big Nintendo supporters for a while and it looks like they don't have any interest in PS2 and Xbox. Sonic Team stated that they only wanted to develop for GCN (they agreed to phantasy star) so they're pretty much exclusive unofficially. And they are not a part of Sega technically (like how HAL technically is an independent company from Nintendo"...

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2003, 01:50:48 PM »

Sorry, but Silicon Knights ain't a 1st party developer. Retro Studios is though. And out of the ex-Rare companies, Zoonami is closest to Nintendo relationship-wise. I hope Nintendo invest in them. And despite being a 3rd party, Factor 5 is as close as any 2nd Party developer can get.

Gamefreak · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2003, 02:13:45 PM »

And why isn't Silicon Knight's 1st party? Just like Retro, Nintendo owns 100% of them. And Denis Dyack constantly refers to Silicon Knights and Nintendo as the "same team" and such. Go read some interviews. He is constantly talking about how they are a part of Nintendo. As far as I can see, SK is closer to Nintendo that Retro is...of course we don't have nearly as many Retro interviews...

So anyway, SK sounds as 1st party to me. Heck, Nintendo even owns them. Nintendo doesn't even own HAL Labs, and they are considered first party. Silicon Knights isn't going anywhere either, as Denis also stated. All their projects are and will be for GCN. Just go read some interviews. This site has mp3's from GDC, IGN has a seperate interview up from GDC, and their are many earlier ones..

As far as I can tell, the following can be considered "first party". Don't bring your technicalities and whatnot into this, there is no way they will work. You can't set up rules for what's 1st party and what's not. There are too many little weird things, like HAL labs being in a Nintendo building but still an independent company.
So they are:
EAD, Intelligent Systems, HAL Labs, Silicon Knights, NST, and Retro Studios.
These are the ones that aren't going anywhere anytime soon (or ever). They are "part of the team" if you will.

Now things like Rare...Nintendo only owned a minority stake in the company, and Rare was already a company with it's own vision and leaders before Nintendo stepped in. All of the above companies have been with Nintendo from start to now, except for Silicon Knights. But they seem to be in love with Nintendo and I don't think they will leave. Oh and of course Nintendo owns them. On IGN Denis Dyack said all of their previous games would have been better with Nintendo. It's not like Nintendo just bought them and said, ok we give the dough you make the blockbusters. They all contribute...

So anyway...

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2003, 03:03:14 PM »

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Originally posted by: Gamefreak
And why isn't Silicon Knight's 1st party? Just like Retro, Nintendo owns 100% of them. And Denis Dyack constantly refers to Silicon Knights and Nintendo as the "same team" and such. Go read some interviews. He is constantly talking about how they are a part of Nintendo. As far as I can see, SK is closer to Nintendo that Retro is...of course we don't have nearly as many Retro interviews...

So anyway, SK sounds as 1st party to me. Heck, Nintendo even owns them. Nintendo doesn't even own HAL Labs, and they are considered first party. Silicon Knights isn't going anywhere either, as Denis also stated. All their projects are and will be for GCN. Just go read some interviews. This site has mp3's from GDC, IGN has a seperate interview up from GDC, and their are many earlier ones..

As far as I can tell, the following can be considered "first party". Don't bring your technicalities and whatnot into this, there is no way they will work. You can't set up rules for what's 1st party and what's not. There are too many little weird things, like HAL labs being in a Nintendo building but still an independent company.
So they are:
EAD, Intelligent Systems, HAL Labs, Silicon Knights, NST, and Retro Studios.
These are the ones that aren't going anywhere anytime soon (or ever). They are "part of the team" if you will.

Now things like Rare...Nintendo only owned a minority stake in the company, and Rare was already a company with it's own vision and leaders before Nintendo stepped in. All of the above companies have been with Nintendo from start to now, except for Silicon Knights. But they seem to be in love with Nintendo and I don't think they will leave. Oh and of course Nintendo owns them. On IGN Denis Dyack said all of their previous games would have been better with Nintendo. It's not like Nintendo just bought them and said, ok we give the dough you make the blockbusters. They all contribute...

So anyway...

Geez, what the heck you on bro?
Silicon Knights is a 2nd party. No technicalities. No rules that I have 'made up'. What's so weird?

Nintendo First Parties:
EAD, Intelligent Systems, Retro, NST (is HAL a 1st party or 2nd party? I'm not sure anymore).
Nintendo Second Parties:
Silicon Knights.

Rare was part of the team, no doubt. If you said at the start of Gamecube's lifespan (as the the Dolphin), that Rare were leaving, you'd have been hanged for blasphemy. If Silicon Knights left Nintendo, there would be a good reason to.

I HAVE read the interviews (and the ones from IGN), I HAVE heard the transcript from GDC (from PGC). Silicon Knights are not going to leave Nintendo any time soon, I know. Nintendo, for all I know, owns a significant proportion of SK. They also did with Rare and Left Field. Rare left because of financial difficulties, and Nintendo made a BUSINESS decision to let them go. Left Field left because of a falling out with NCL.

You can call it whatever you want, but in the end, Silicon Knights is a 2nd party developer. They were also a company with visions and leaders, as was Retro, before Nintendo stepped in. And yes, it is a team. Silicon Knights is the one that is more independant though. Everyone else is working on a Nintendo franchise in one way or another.

PIAC · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2003, 07:19:15 PM »

hrm, i allways figured firstparty was nintendo, second party was anyone owned by nintendo that wasn't nintendo (even partially owned) third party was completly seperate to nintendo

guess i was wrong

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2003, 08:09:51 PM »

Techncially, any company that Nintendo owns 100% is a first party, like Retro, EAD, or HAL. Any company Nintendo owns *part of* is a 2nd party, and any company that is not owned by anyone is a 3rd party.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2003, 11:05:09 PM »

Gamefreak: So there.

Gamefreak · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2003, 11:36:25 AM »

Didn't I say don't try making up rules? You say HAL is a first party, and a first party is a company owned 100% by Nintendo. Well HAL not owned 100% by Nintendo, they are and have been an independent company (even though they are located inside a Nintendo building). Intelligent Systems is also a seperate company (they are NOT R&D1, as many people think...they are formed from members of R&D1 who left).
And how many times do I have to say this, Silicon Knights is 100% owned by Nintendo. Not partially owned like Rare.

As for Retro, hahahahah! Own visions and leaders? Retro was nothing without Nintendo. Nintendo stepped in very very early in it's lifecycle, built them a studio using Nintendo cash, fired most of the original Retro people, and put new people in. Retro had no vision before Nintendo, except maybe vague plans. Have you ever heard of a Retro game not on GCN? All of Retro's original staff were comprised of veteran PC FPS developers. Yet even before Nintendo swallowed up Retro, they announced 5 GCN only games. Why would PC designers want to make 5 new games for GCN. And the only "FPS" was an unnamed Metroid game. If I'm not being clear on something go read up some history.

Well anyway, if you think that any company 100% owned by Nintendo is a first party, then Silicon Knights fits right in.
And another thing, I'm sure everyone agrees Sonic Team is a SEGA first party, right? Then explain to me why Sega does not own Sonic Team...

Like I said, you cannot make rules for what is a first party and what is not. The safest way is to just look at the companies relationship with Nintendo/MS/Sony and their history with it. All companies operate differently. Businesses don't all work the same. Different contracts have different requirements for companies. And besides, it's only logical that a 2nd party, not being part of a parent company, could leave when it wanted. Silicon Knights could never leave Nintendo if Nintendo didn't want them too. So how are they "someone else", as the term second party would apply? Of course, they may have some secret expiration date tagged on, but I doubt it.

And doesn't Denis Dyack come to these forums? Why not ask him and settle it. What does he think SK is?..

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #15 on:** March 18, 2003, 11:52:55 AM »

Gamefreak: Calm down, man. Just because a company is owned 100% by another company doesn't mean they aren't independant in ways. Nintendo doesn't HAVE to dissolve any company they buy out, and I don't think they have. HAL IS A Nintendo first-aprty but they're also independant- they have their own teams and make their own games, but Nintendo owns them. Nintendo doesn't own all of Silicon Knights, maknig them a second party. Sonic Team is also a first party, sine Sega owns all of them. A first party doesn't HAVE to be the console manufacturer itself- rather it includes the console manufacturer and everyone they own.

Gamefreak · « **Reply #16 on:** March 18, 2003, 11:56:25 AM »

Um sorry but where are you getting this info from? You have everything backwards. SK is 100% owned by Nintendo, not partly. Sega does not own Sonic Team and Nintendo doesn't own HAL Labs...go look it up on a credible site, or ask an absolute company fanatic. They'll back me up...

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #17 on:** March 18, 2003, 12:03:52 PM »

Why don't YOU find some evidence to back you up, gameferak. As far as I'm concerned, you're just pulling this stuff out of thin air. Where have you found info that Sonic Team and HAL are NOT owned by Sega and Nintendo respectively, and that Silicon Knights IS?

Gamefreak · « **Reply #18 on:** March 18, 2003, 12:29:46 PM »

Well this (sort of old) page shows that IGN says HAL is not first party:
http://games.ign.com/objects/026/026289.html
Next - this is from The Nintendo Database over at Gamespy:
http://www.planetnintendo.com/nindb/dev_hallabs.shtml
Here is a quote from another page on the same site about HAL Labs:
"Originally a 3rd-party developer with 1st-party connections to Nintendo's EAD team, HAL Laboratory has dedicated themselves to Nintendo, despite only a minority ownership of the company. "
Oh, whoops about IntSys, they are owned by Nintendo..but we aren't talking about them..moving on:
As for Silicon Knights, it was all over the news several months back when Nintendo gobbled them up. Of course Nintendo did purchase them before in 2000..that was apparently only partly. You'll have to look up the news.

And as for Sonic Team, a friend of mine who knows a whole lot about sega and nintendo and other such game companies told me Sonic Team is not a part of sega. Of course I thought it was a first party but he insisted that it is seperate. He hasn't been wrong yet, so I don't see why I shouldn't believe him. He's on this board somewhere but i don't know his username. I'll see if I can get a source on Sonic Team from him next time I see him.

And this kid also interviewed Denis Dyack for a school career project (game designer), so I'm sure he knows some stuff about silicon knights. I didn't ask him was Mr. Dyack said about the company, but he did say some stuff about Eternal Darkness. And how...ok i definately won't say I'm sorry...

rpglover · « **Reply #19 on:** March 18, 2003, 12:54:27 PM »

the only thing i have to ask now is how did all of this talk of nintendo 1st parties come from game zero discussion...............

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #20 on:** March 18, 2003, 01:34:34 PM »

Okay, so HAL Laboratories isn't a 2nd party- my mistake and I'm sorry for any confusion (

). But I'm still pretty sure Sonic Team is owned at least in part by Sega and I'm almost certain Nintendo does not own all of Silicon Knights.

::EDIT::

I'm right about Sonic Team:

http://games.ign.com/objects/026/026128.html

It says there that Sonic Team is a Sega *internal* developer, ala Nintendo's R&D's or EAD.

Duriez · « **Reply #21 on:** March 18, 2003, 03:55:55 PM »

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Originally posted by: Termin8AnakinThe news of EA possibly teaming with Free Radical to make the new Bond is also good news.

Where did you hear this? This has got me real excited.....

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #22 on:** March 18, 2003, 04:43:27 PM »

That thread about EA and Frre Radical making the next Bond game just got pushed onto the second page. Here's a link

EA & Free Radical's Bond Game

News:

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