Author Topic: Are We Sure Metroid Prime 3 Will Have Online? Reggie's At It Again.... (Read 43900 times)

mantidor · « **Reply #25 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:24:03 AM »

As I see it Metroid's brand name power is attached to its hardcore fanbase, and the fanbase wants something very specific, a Metroid game, online won't increase this fanbase at all, it will probably shrink it. I really don't know for sure though, how well did Hunters compared to prime? a better comparison would be with zero mission and fusion since its in a handheld...

All you can do for Metroid is good marketing, because I cannot see any flaw in the metroid gameplay formula, trying to add something so un-metroidish will do nothing for the game, as it happened with echoes, everyone would have prefered the effort put in that multiplayer rather invested in the single player.

However all those multiplayer modes you people are talking about are ok, but give it to NST again and make it separate from the real Metroid.

Ceric · « **Reply #26 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:30:27 AM »

Metriod Prime: PSO You all know you want it.

Crimm · « **Reply #27 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:34:32 AM »

n-Space is working on an unnamed Wii project.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #28 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:36:04 AM »

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As I see it Metroid's brand name power is attached to its hardcore fanbase, and the fanbase wants something very specific, a Metroid game, online won't increase this fanbase at all, it will probably shrink it.

Actually, when MP first debuted on the GC, it was noted that it was one of the biggest system sellers the GC had had to date. I'm guessing that all those cubes weren't just dormant Metroid fans but that a lot of them were new players intrigued by the insanely awesome commercial they made for the game.

Personally, I'd prefer online Geist to MP as well, but I'd take a Nintendo online FPS anywhere I could get it.

ViewtifulJoe · « **Reply #29 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:42:10 AM »

i hope you can talk to your team with a headset

Kairon · « **Reply #30 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:48:34 AM »

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Metriod Prime: PSO You all know you want it.

Hmmm... turn Metroid into a TPS? A PSO version of Gears of War? Hmmmm... I can SO buy into that vision!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Pittbboi · « **Reply #31 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:58:16 AM »

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I doubt Metroid Prime 3 will have multiplayer, but I'll abstain from judging whether that's good or bad. I just don't want them to target Halo to the point that it affects the game's design. That's the vibe I get from the intro, and it's worrisome.

It's this line of thinking that I'll never understand. It's just another "Third parties don't want to compete with Nintendo games" excuse. I get that Halo was a good game, but damnit, it doesn't COMMAND the entire FPS genre, and it sure as hell didn't bring online FPS to consoles. There have been countless online FPSs since Halo that have been good games and done well, and many of those didn't draw comparison to Halo. By it's very nature Metroid probably wouldn't be compared to Halo no matter what features it adds, except by Nintendo fanboys who want to come up with any excuse possible for why Nintendo is right for NOT doing something. If Nintendo is so afraid of competing with Halo then you can forget them EVER releasing an online FPS game (and that includes Geist).

Metroid with online play wouldn't be competing with Halo any more so than any other game. People really need to get rid of this whole "[insert franchise here]-killer" concept. It's elitist bullshit and it just proves that even Nintendo fans feel they have to have the BEST of something on their console or bust. As if the only way an online Metroid game would be GOOD is if it was BETTER than Halo. Ridiculous.

Kairon · « **Reply #32 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:08:59 AM »

Well... from past experience... MP2 fell flat on its face. If all they're planning to do is extend that experience, no thank you.

There are multiple reasons why online won't be good for a Metroid game (though I've already stated why it'd be good for the Wii in general).

1. It doesn't fit the themes behind Metroid.

2. It doesn't fit the current Metroid gameplay paradigm.

3. It would be going up against serious contenders from established players, probably a waste of money to compete in a crowded market.

Now, the best case scenario I see is this: Metroid will be online but this online mode doesn't detract at all from the single player game. Then, third parties bring their own FPS franchises to the Wii and utilize online in the ways that match their expertise, and do a MUCH better job than Nintendo would ever do at filling that gap.

The trick is NEVER to get Nintendo to make a hardcore FPS experience. The trick is to make it so that third parties want to do it FOR Nintendo. Much like even though Sony tried to counter-program Mario with their Jak & Daxter, other companies came forward to do the same thing on their own power.

Nintendo needs to have their own Rachet & Clank or Sly Cooper, for example. In hardcore online experiences of course. I seriously doubt Nintendo's ability to do this particular job in this particular field as well as third parties do.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #33 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:09:28 AM »

Am I the only one who drools at the idea of a level where players are all swinging around by their grapple beams while taking potshots at each other and rolling around in half-pipes using boost balls and snaking along mazes of magnetic rails and trying to out bomb-jump each other as they race for powerups?

Seriously, take the standard features of MP and apply them creatively in a vs. mode and they'd be awesome. The MP2 multiplayer was poorly received because it was poorly executed. No other reason.

Kairon · « **Reply #34 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:11:14 AM »

I think we're all holding our breath for another miracle. Metroid somehow becoming a fun online versus experience will be just as hard as translating the original gameplay into 3D. Moreso even.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #35 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:13:40 AM »

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Hmmm... turn Metroid into a TPS? A PSO version of Gears of War? Hmmmm... I can SO buy into that vision!

Just don't forget the new cover sheet.

I don't really think Metroid is well suited to being expanded into new genres. I think people try to look at it that way because it's Nintendo's premiere scifi setting. However, Nintendo doesn't create worlds to create games in so much as they create worlds to accommodate gameplay. That means the worlds they create don't typically have enough room in the background in which to build new gameplay styles. Maybe the reason fans often lash out at the idea of branching out is that it requires additions to a setting that has traditionally been extremely tightly focused. You can't do that without disrupting that focus. Multiplayer in Metroid? Blasphemy. Zelda MMORPG? Heresy! So on and so forth.

If Nintendo is going to successfully try new genres, it's going to require new settings that aren't already encumbered with fan-orthodoxy.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #36 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:14:31 AM »

But MP:H WAS fun online: I got to butt heads with the forum's finest and even chat with them via voice.

My only complaint about it was balance and hand cramping. If everyone played as Samus then balance is a non-issue and my hand only ever cramped with the Wiimote because of Elebits.

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I don't really think Metroid is well suited to being expanded into new genres. I think people try to look at it that way because it's Nintendo's premiere scifi setting. However, Nintendo doesn't create worlds to create games in so much as they create worlds to accommodate gameplay. That means the worlds they create don't typically have enough room in the background in which to build new gameplay styles. Maybe the reason fans often lash out at the idea of branching out is that it requires additions to a setting that has traditionally been extremely tightly focused. You can't do that without disrupting that focus. Multiplayer in Metroid? Blasphemy. Zelda MMORPG? Heresy! So on and so forth.

But by that logic, Four Swords would have never been born, and I seem to recall you enjoying it.

They would have said, "Four player Zelda?!? NEVER!!!!"

Even Four Swords on the cube had a pure vs. mode: it was Zelda deathmatch.

Kairon · « **Reply #37 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:16:13 AM »

I don't believe that. Anyone who's ever read the old Metroid comics from Valiant, or read the Nintendo Power metroid comics, can just feel the potential for franchise expansion.

Metroid is, after all, a universe that seems to revolve around bounty hunters, the perfect opportunities for player character creation and identity!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Pittbboi · « **Reply #38 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:16:26 AM »

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3. It would be going up against serious contenders from established players, probably a waste of money to compete in a crowded market.

It would only be competing against games on other consoles. For all the Wii owners this will be the ONLY game to get if you want online FPS action on the Wii. It'll have that market cornered.

I agree that Nintendo isn't exactly the first game developer to look to for online gaming goodness (which is a shame because they do everything else so well). But sometimes Nintendo needs to stop thinking as a game developer and START thinking like a console developer. And if they ever want that genre to take off on the Wii, they're going to have to get the ball rolling. And I see no better vehicle than Metroid.

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If Nintendo is going to successfully try new genres, it's going to require new settings that aren't already encumbered with fan-orthodoxy.

I partially agree with this. It's only that, nowadays, Nintendo seems to be less focused on creating new, inspired settings and characters and REALLY pushing them like they did back in the day. Oh, they'll occasionally do it (Pikmin), but then they'll just leave them by the wayside if they don't become a smash hit (which is mostly due to THEIR poor marketing).

Nintendo seems content with relying on their aging mascots, but they're growing stale. So I think people are now expecting them to do different things with those mascots, if that's where Nintendo wants to keep their focus. If you're constantly going to rely on Mario and Link and Samus to keep you relevant, it's time to change up their gameplay a little to maintain their relevancy.

Though I've always said that Nintendo really needs to create a new mascot for the new generation of gamers. Mario is past his prime. Time to pass the torch.

Kairon · « **Reply #39 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:18:26 AM »

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But MP:H WAS fun online: I got to butt heads with the forum's finest and even chat with them via voice.

My only complaint about it was balance and hand cramping. If everyone played as Samus then balance is a non-issue and my hand only ever cramped with the Wiimote because of Elebits.

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But by that logic, Four Swords would have never been born, and I seem to recall you enjoying it.

They would have said, "Four player Zelda?!? NEVER!!!!"

*ahem* Four player Zelda? NEVER! *ahem*

Oh, and since MP:H has its defenders, it sounds like NST should be looked at as Nintendo's best in-house hope for traditional/hardcore games, especially fps ones.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #40 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:19:33 AM »

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Originally posted by: Pittbboi And I see no better vehicle than Metroid.

Either that or Nintendo should personally fund Red Steel 2 and its online mode, including lending out development talent, to ensure that it's a AAA online FPS experience for the Wii only.

I don't care how Nintendo gets there, I just wish they'd GET THERE. I'm regretting selling back my copy of Hunters now because I have a strong urge to play it...

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Originally posted by: Kairon Oh, and since MP:H has its defenders, it sounds like NST should be looked at as Nintendo's best in-house hope for traditional/hardcore games, especially fps ones.

Sounds fine to me: NST definitely did a good job with the game, barring some balance issues, and god knows they pushed the DS hardware to the wall.

I'd love to see what they could do for the Wii...

Kairon · « **Reply #41 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:21:08 AM »

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3. It would be going up against serious contenders from established players, probably a waste of money to compete in a crowded market.

It would only be competing against games on other consoles. For all the Wii owners this will be the ONLY game to get if you want online FPS action on the Wii. It'll have that market cornered.

I agree that Nintendo isn't exactly the first game developer to look to for online gaming goodness (which is a shame because they do everything else so well). But sometimes Nintendo needs to stop thinking as a game developer and START thinking like a console developer. And if they ever want that genre to take off on the Wii, they're going to have to get the ball rolling. And I see no better vehicle than Metroid.

Yeah... a real pity it couldn't have been Wii Wars though.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #42 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:23:00 AM »

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Originally posted by: Pittbboi And I see no better vehicle than Metroid.

Either that or personally fund Red Steel 2 and its online mode, including lending out development talent, to ensure that it's a AAA online FPS experience for the Wii only.

I don't care how Nintendo gets there, I just wish they'd GET THERE. I'm regretting selling back my copy of Hunters now because I have a strong urge to play it...

I regret not playing it when it launched. I'm sure activity was high then...I wasn't too impressed with the game, but multiplayer lookd interesting.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #43 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:25:32 AM »

The main game was pretty weak but the multiplayer was definitely worth it, especially against friends and not just random people from the internet (though I did those too).

I'm almost ashamed to admit that I won a bunch of online games against random opponents from the...bathroom.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #44 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:28:42 AM »

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I doubt Metroid Prime 3 will have multiplayer, but I'll abstain from judging whether that's good or bad. I just don't want them to target Halo to the point that it affects the game's design. That's the vibe I get from the intro, and it's worrisome.

It's this line of thinking that I'll never understand. It's just another "Third parties don't want to compete with Nintendo games" excuse. I get that Halo was a good game, but damnit, it doesn't COMMAND the entire FPS genre, and it sure as hell didn't bring online FPS to consoles. There have been countless online FPSs since Halo that have been good games and done well, and many of those didn't draw comparison to Halo. By it's very nature Metroid probably wouldn't be compared to Halo no matter what features it adds, except by Nintendo fanboys who want to come up with any excuse possible for why Nintendo is right for NOT doing something. If Nintendo is so afraid of competing with Halo then you can forget them EVER releasing an online FPS game (and that includes Geist).

Metroid with online play wouldn't be competing with Halo any more so than any other game. People really need to get rid of this whole "[insert franchise here]-killer" concept. It's elitist bullshit and it just proves that even Nintendo fans feel they have to have the BEST of something on their console or bust. As if the only way an online Metroid game would be GOOD is if it was BETTER than Halo. Ridiculous.

I don't know how you got any of that from my post. I specifically withheld comment on multiplayer. I was talking about the single player mode. I watched the play-through of the intro sequence on IGN, and it reminded me very strongly of the intro to Halo. I didn't make it much farther than that in Halo, honestly, because I never had the opportunity to play the story mode again, but it appeared to me that Retro was trying to emulate the feel of Halo. Not the multiplayer. The single player. I have played many FPS games, and for all the sameness in the genre, I have never perceived such a strong similarity between two games before.

Honestly, your reply perplexes me utterly. "It's just another 'Third parties don't want to compete with Nintendo games' excuse." Where did that even come from? I'll try to be more clear this time. I have no strong feelings one way or the other on Metroid online multiplayer.

Galford · « **Reply #45 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:30:34 AM »

Didn't a japanese exec last week state that MP3 wasn't going online? I wish I could find the interview.

Isn't Smash Bros suppose to go online?
It't wouldn't surprise me that Nintendo would gimp the online part of MP3 in order not to steal thunder from SSB:B.

Also the Metroid universe is ripe for expansion, look at the ending of Metroid Fusion.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #46 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:31:52 AM »

Sorry, Pittbboi: some days you get the bar and some days the bar gets YOU. (sorry...)

But I agree: if we want a franchise to beat Halo (something I believe is readily possible), I think it should be something new, built from the ground up for the Wii to rival Halo.

I just thirst for online FPS Wiimote experiences to an extent that I'd slake my thirst with the first online FPS the Wii has, no matter how awful it might be.

ryancoke · « **Reply #47 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:34:03 AM »

I agree that Nintendo has to get the online train rolling. If MP3 is an online success maybe we'll see the Unreals and Quakes make their way over to Wii. I would love to see UT3 on Wii!

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #48 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:37:41 AM »

Here's the thing which Cap just pointed out: if there's no multiplayer and/or online, why the hell was it pushed back so far?

From everything I heard, it sounded near-ready for launch and god knows the Wii has a drought at present. Why did it get pushed back to...when is it? Late spring? Q2?

Kairon · « **Reply #49 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:38:40 AM »

Far Cry: Online for the Wii!

I'd hit it. Multiple times. Oh yeah.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

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