Author Topic: Manhunt 2 from Rockstar? Whoa... (Read 101983 times)

ShyGuy · « **Reply #225 on:** June 19, 2007, 10:50:18 PM »

Joanna Dark is a woman so shooting men in the crotch is empowering.

Kairon · « **Reply #226 on:** June 19, 2007, 11:03:13 PM »

And men shooting other men in the crotch?

Shift Key · « **Reply #227 on:** June 19, 2007, 11:08:10 PM »

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Child ummmmmm stuff, is highly controversial, but it CAN be art. i.e. Lolita, and that recent tiif in Canada over an author's novel which had a lot of child uh... Oh here read about it yourself.

Erm, different media completely. I'm not sure what moderation or censorship novels come under but I'm sure its quite different to video games.

And I was referring to the online child pornography rings that are occasionally busted by authorities.

This horse has been flogged to death, I'm not annoyed at the decision, but more at the system itself. Banning of anything is pretty drastic and they haven't satisfied me with their justification for this game given the availability of violent games currently on the market.

Kairon · « **Reply #228 on:** June 19, 2007, 11:15:50 PM »

Well, they made a MOVIE of Lolita...

Shift Key · « **Reply #229 on:** June 19, 2007, 11:18:03 PM »

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Well, they made a MOVIE of Lolita...

Different media, different rules.

Ceric · « **Reply #230 on:** June 20, 2007, 02:36:59 AM »

Why we are on the subject of Juvenile Porn compared to murder. Watching a Murder doesn't achieve what Murder is suppose to do and watching Juvenile Porn does for some. Theirs the clear cut difference. If Porygon in the Pokemon games consistently caused Seizures like his TV counterpart in a sizeable population then he would be consider a health risk and then falls much in the line with the thinking behind Juvenile porn legislation. The damage could still be done despite the media.

Let say that Manhunt 2 came with a peripheral that cuts you and some other random person every time your hurt or hurt someone in the game. At that point the Murder could really occur and the game be bannable under health risk. Here is the definition of Murder.

The only time you could say it is in the public best interest to ban something of this nature is if you can scientifically prove that in a high amount of cases playing this games induces behavior dangerous to society as a whole. At the current point that games are in you can not reasonably prove such a thing. Their is still to much disjoint. Now as we proceed forward that line will blur more then it already has though you can't conceivably consider it until games come to a point where Rational People have a hard time regularly distinguishing between a game and reality, think Holodeck or Matrix.

Those are just my thoughts on the two matters.

Terranigma Freak · « **Reply #231 on:** June 20, 2007, 02:41:33 AM »

Sounds like free publicity for Manhunt 2 if you ask me.

Ceric · « **Reply #232 on:** June 20, 2007, 04:14:52 AM »

That too.
lol. It be funny if they made 2 versions of the game. 1 with just enough content to send to the rating boards initially that is AO and another to send afterwards that is M by comparison.

Rhoq · « **Reply #233 on:** June 20, 2007, 04:37:42 AM »

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t be funny if they made 2 versions of the game. 1 with just enough content to send to the rating boards initially that is AO and another to send afterwards that is M by comparison.

How, exactly, would that be funny? I think it would be sickening to see a company give in to politics and "religious right" wack jobs just because they disapprove of the game's content. Rockstar/Take Two had better not back down and neuter this or any of their other games just because people want to bitch. I make my own decisions on what games I want to play. I don't need nor want anyone to hold my hand.

Requiem · « **Reply #234 on:** June 20, 2007, 05:53:44 AM »

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Reading about it and practicing it aren't even comparable, and no i'm not American so i'm not familiar with the bible. I guess kiddie porn could be considered art too.

Who says your practicing it? It's waggle technology! Your overreacting

The point is, if you start banning things, it's a slippery slope. Soon you'll start banning more things because people will have more courage to bitch seeing as how it worked before and that in itself, is BULLSH#T.

And when it comes to something I have to buy, I don't want to be told what I can buy and what I can't, even if I don't want to buy it in the first place.

P.S. I'm not American and I haven't read the bible.

Ceric · « **Reply #235 on:** June 20, 2007, 06:21:14 AM »

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t be funny if they made 2 versions of the game. 1 with just enough content to send to the rating boards initially that is AO and another to send afterwards that is M by comparison.

How, exactly, would that be funny? I think it would be sickening to see a company give in to politics and "religious right" wack jobs just because they disapprove of the game's content. Rockstar/Take Two had better not back down and neuter this or any of their other games just because people want to bitch. I make my own decisions on what games I want to play. I don't need nor want anyone to hold my hand.

More that the whole concept would be Bizarre. Sort of "Here lets send the ESRB exactly what they don't want to see so it gets an AO and then we'll send them the actual game which won't seem as bad and get the M."

Unfortunately though those "...politics and "religious right" wack jobs..." have worked hard at getting connections that allow them to pull strings like that. I don't know how many times the -------- ------- have ruined things for me. I'm not even their denomination.

In the end what will really matter is that Take Two has a demographic they are trying to hit and if that demographic is not Adults Only then they are going to change it.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #236 on:** June 20, 2007, 06:39:51 AM »

I hate censorship so much. The UK is censoring this game entirely which is flat out wrong, and the ESRB is essentially doing the same thing by giving the game an AO rating. I hope Take Two stands up to these tyrants and just releases the game as is. If Take Two has the balls to do that I urge all of you to buy the game to protect our rights as American citizens. We should not stand for censorship in any degree. This country was founded on freedom; freedom of expression is one of our many freedoms that our forefathers DIED FOR. Censorship is evil and is a slippery slope no matter what anyone says in trying to convince you otherwise. We need to fight this injustice and keep our video games from falling victim to censorship.

Ceric · « **Reply #237 on:** June 20, 2007, 06:55:31 AM »

Here Here!

EasyCure · « **Reply #238 on:** June 20, 2007, 07:02:25 AM »

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I hate censorship so much. The UK is censoring this game entirely which is flat out wrong, and the ESRB is essentially doing the same thing by giving the game an AO rating. I hope Take Two stands up to these tyrants and just releases the game as is. If Take Two has the balls to do that I urge all of you to buy the game to protect our rights as American citizens. We should not stand for censorship in any degree. This country was founded on freedom; freedom of expression is one of our many freedoms that our forefathers DIED FOR. Censorship is evil and is a slippery slope no matter what anyone says in trying to convince you otherwise. We need to fight this injustice and keep our video games from falling victim to censorship.

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Svevan · « **Reply #239 on:** June 20, 2007, 07:06:41 AM »

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t be funny if they made 2 versions of the game. 1 with just enough content to send to the rating boards initially that is AO and another to send afterwards that is M by comparison.

How, exactly, would that be funny? I think it would be sickening to see a company give in to politics and "religious right" wack jobs just because they disapprove of the game's content. Rockstar/Take Two had better not back down and neuter this or any of their other games just because people want to bitch. I make my own decisions on what games I want to play. I don't need nor want anyone to hold my hand.

First let me speak as a mod: please refrain from using the phrase "religious-right whackjobs." It is a slur.

Now let me respond to the conversation: Religion has little connection to the situation at hand - the censorship of video games (and art) in America is promoted equally across the political aisles, but seems to be a major selling point for liberals such as Lieberman, Tipper Gore, and Hillary Clinton (as well as quite a few conservatives, not all of whom are religious). Censorship in Britain, which is far worse than ours, is not religiously motivated. I also question your implicit premise that religion is an improper base for forming biases, but philosophical and political bedrocks are valid. That's an unfair stance.

I say the above not to further the religious discussion but to quelch it. The political discussion, at least in this thread, must continue.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #240 on:** June 20, 2007, 07:36:47 AM »

Does Take Two have an online store?

Requiem · « **Reply #241 on:** June 20, 2007, 07:48:09 AM »

I don't think it matters.

Any online store (except maybe wal-mart) will sell the game since it'll require a credit card to do so (proof of age).

Rhoq · « **Reply #242 on:** June 20, 2007, 08:37:15 AM »

I went to GameStop a little while ago (to trade some stuff in and pick-up RE4) and I inquired whether or not they would be selling Manhunt 2 now that it appears the game will carry the "AO" rating. The manager told me it is against the company's policy to sell "AO" rated games, and if that rating sticks, you will not find it at any GameStop/EB Games store. He then continued that since it is still listed as "RP" in their system, I could pre-order the game because they will honor and fill all pre-orders regardless of the final rating. I paid for it, in full - and put a $5 deposit down for a friend.

Kairon · « **Reply #243 on:** June 20, 2007, 08:47:30 AM »

I'm gonna head down to GS later... hehehe.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #244 on:** June 20, 2007, 09:07:13 AM »

A novel idea.

Deguello · « **Reply #245 on:** June 20, 2007, 10:25:49 AM »

I certainly hope none of you are pre-ordering it simply for its rating.

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Art is art, no matter what the form.

Art.

"While the exhibit's representatives claim that all of the bodies were obtained through the Dalian Medical University Plastination Laboratories in China, human rights campaigners point out that Dalian University "[has] had been previously implicated in the use of executed prisoners for commercial purposes".[2] If the bodies are those Chinese prisoners whose bodies were used without their consent, it may be a violation of human rights and of Chinese law."

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #246 on:** June 20, 2007, 10:52:48 AM »

I SAW THIS EXHIBIT LAST WEEK WHEN I WAS IN VEGAS.

$8 OFF ADMISSION WITH A STUDENT ID, FTW

Way to hit close to home, Deg.

I'm pre-ordering the game for its immersive and interactive qualities -- things that were apparent before all this great ratings-news popped up.

The Omen · « **Reply #247 on:** June 20, 2007, 11:04:07 AM »

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I certainly hope none of you are pre-ordering it simply for its rating.

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Art is art, no matter what the form.

Art.

"While the exhibit's representatives claim that all of the bodies were obtained through the Dalian Medical University Plastination Laboratories in China, human rights campaigners point out that Dalian University "[has] had been previously implicated in the use of executed prisoners for commercial purposes".[2] If the bodies are those Chinese prisoners whose bodies were used without their consent, it may be a violation of human rights and of Chinese law."

Despite your showing this paragraph to point out what may be some heinous crimes, the fact remains it still resonates as art. Art doesn't fall under control of any man made laws, the artist does.

As for Manhunt 2, I suspect Rockstar new this was coming and purposely sought this type of reaction. They will resubmit it and it will receive a M rating. All the attention can only help.

optimisticlimbo · « **Reply #248 on:** June 20, 2007, 11:09:31 AM »

So considering this:
Sony and Nintendo say No
this makes sense:
Amazon: Manhunt 2

Since no one will let the game exists, it looks like they might be going the best route possible, move the release date and edit the game so you can still make money off of it.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #249 on:** June 20, 2007, 12:14:44 PM »

I am appalled that Nintendo and Sony would restrict this type of content from being released on their system. This gives Rockstar absolutely no recourse; they now don't even have the option to release the game as is. I can only wonder at what point this game will be suitable for the ESRB. How much will we lose from the game because of this decision and how long will we have to wait before we can play it?

I'd really like to thank Hillary Clinton and Jack Thompson for perpatuating the lies of video game induced violence. Their propaganda will really make America a better place one day.

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