Topic: Windows Vista: Why?

[Spak-Spang]

I think Microsoft could have waited a few months and got everything together.  

Most people are not seriously looking at Apple as a viable option.  Its nice to think about, but Apple will never be more than a niche market.  

To say OS X Leopard would blow away VISTA if they were released at the same time is silly.  Leopard will be out in just a few months and operating systems are on the market for years.  VISTA is already going to be showed up for most of its life, and it won't matter at all.  

People will still buy new PCs preferring what they know to what they don't.  (Buying Vista instead of an Apple.)  It is that simple.

Microsoft isn't worried about Leopard because they know it isn't a threat.  

[Flames_of_chaos]

I agree with Spak because Apple will never have 3 things that Microsoft has always had since Win95 and that will stand true because of 2 reasons, 1. Windows is the de facto commercial OS since any computer manufacture can use it if they wanted to and Apple OSes are limited well to Apple. 2. The Windows has more support than Apple and Linux since Apple OSes are just for who own Apple computers and Linux while is free it doesnt have a lot of developer and mainstream consumer support. 3. Machines that support windows are arguably much cheaper since Apple has no competition to machines that has their platform built in.

Also I lost respect in Apple with their platform smear campaign which got old fast.  And all they can be cocky about is in the digital music space since they dominate that.

[Bill Aurion]

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Phew, good thing there hasn't been a PC game worth playing since Shadow Warrior in 1996. :]

Shadow Warrior was '97.  And there have been games worth playing since it.  For example, Dark Forces II and Deus Ex.

Nope, Ferny was correct, you're not... =3  

[Spak-Spang]

The Apple commercials may be a low blow...but they do make a point, and they are funny and to the point.

[BranDonk Kong]

Apple will never catch up with Microsoft, it's just way too late in the game, plus I would never be able to justify in the insane price that Macs sell for, it's just absurd, especially now that they have Intel processors.

Anyhow, I just upgraded to Vista Home Premium, and I'm liking it a lot. There are a couple programs that won't work due to incompatibility, but it's the vendor's fault, not really Microsoft's. It took a long time to get everything you want working on XP when it was first released as well. Anyway, if you want a great deal on Vista Home Premium, go to academicsuperstore.com or any "academic" software website, and buy the upgrade (you need to have a student/teacher ID, or just know someone who does - my sister does, got it for $69). You CAN do a complete full install using the upgrade disc, which I did. Do you google search for "complete vista install using upgrade" or something like that, it's very easy to do, and you can end up saving ~$200.

[Smoke39]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion

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Originally posted by: Smoke39

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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Phew, good thing there hasn't been a PC game worth playing since Shadow Warrior in 1996. :]

Shadow Warrior was '97.  And there have been games worth playing since it.  For example, Dark Forces II and Deus Ex.

Nope, Ferny was correct, you're not... =3

No one cares about your poor taste in PC FPSs. o:<

[oohhboy]

I must make a really crappy Apple customer. I am using the same Mac from 7 years ago. @ 450 MHz and 256MB ram, it has run like a dream for so many years and continues to do so till today. By selecting my apps properly, I have keep t up to date and fast. I would like to see a PC of similar spec to still be usable today. I do get tempted though to get a PC, but the only thing I would do on it is games. It is true in the sprit of things that there aren't Mac gamers.

I do admit though, Apple is expensive. The new stuff makes PS3 look cheap. But as Apple moves deeper into x86 territory, it will have a chance to become a viable alternative.

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
The Apple commercials may be a low blow...but they do make a point, and they are funny and to the point.

Yeah even I admit they are low, funny stuff. No one ever got hurt from a gentle ribbing right?

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

I remember when THE INTERNET could run on 8MB of RAM.

4GB of RAM to visit Gmail and Myspace for an hour a day?  Oh my.

[Ceric]

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I must make a really crappy Apple customer. I am using the same Mac from 7 years ago. @ 450 MHz and 256MB ram, it has run like a dream for so many years and continues to do so till today. By selecting my apps properly, I have keep t up to date and fast. I would like to see a PC of similar spec to still be usable today. I do get tempted though to get a PC, but the only thing I would do on it is games. It is true in the sprit of things that there aren't Mac gamers.

I do admit though, Apple is expensive. The new stuff makes PS3 look cheap. But as Apple moves deeper into x86 territory, it will have a chance to become a viable alternative.

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
The Apple commercials may be a low blow...but they do make a point, and they are funny and to the point.

Yeah even I admit they are low, funny stuff. No one ever got hurt from a gentle ribbing right?

What OS are you running? Mac Classic?

[oohhboy]

Currently 10.2.8. Going to 10.3.x soon. Just haven't gotten around to it. I still use Macos 9.2.2 for older apps(games) which I boot to. OSX does come with a speed hit though of around 10%. But it is stable like nothing else and it will only go crazy all if I mess with it inaproriately. The multitasking abilities are excellent. I can run multiple apps in a background while browsing with little degradation unless I am playing some sort of video. At that point I need every cycle I can get. As lean as I have set up my computer, it does have limitations, but it is more responsive than my parents computer which is atleast 5 times more powerful than mine with 4 times the RAM running windows XP.

[Ceric]

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Currently 10.2.8. Going to 10.3.x soon. Just haven't gotten around to it. I still use Macos 9.2.2 for older apps(games) which I boot to. OSX does come with a speed hit though of around 10%. But it is stable like nothing else and it will only go crazy all if I mess with it inaproriately. The multitasking abilities are excellent. I can run multiple apps in a background while browsing with little degradation unless I am playing some sort of video. At that point I need every cycle I can get. As lean as I have set up my computer, it does have limitations, but it is more responsive than my parents computer which is atleast 5 times more powerful than mine with 4 times the RAM running windows XP.

Wow, I'm surprised.  We have a lab of the last non-Intel huge tower Macs and they will bog down every once and a while with normal use.  They blow what you have speckwise out of the water.

Kudos to you for finding a magically config.

I had a 750 Slot Athlon Thunderbird with 512 Meg of ram.  Ran XP just as well if not better then most beefier modern computers.  Sometimes you find some great systems.  

[oohhboy]

My computer is an IMac DV, stock was 400 MHz. A soldering iron fixed that.

The choice of apps is massively important. The apps that Apple give you are fine, but like MS, there are alternatives that are better. Safari on 10.2.8 blows with web and flash compatability. I use Camino. Best browser ever. Trust me, I have tried using a lot of other browsers out ther. Firefox, Opera, IE(Yeah WTF), Safari. Camino is light weight, optimized beast of a browser that has excellent compatabilty, and with a little extra work, additional options and tools are avaliable to really Min/Max the hell out of it.

Adium for messenger. MS's own one doesn't even work. Aduim is light, customisable, maintains a stable connection that others just can't. It is in continous development, so the features aren't complete yet, so I don't have VOIP. I am looking for a solution to that right now and is one of the driving factors in moving up to 10.3.x.

Tying out thunderbird for for mail, but it feels heavy. normally I just use the web mail as I don't get that many time senstive items.

Security. What security. Built-in firewall and computer's ip placed in to DMZ.

Congrats on your system too. It is really hard to find systems like that. More luck than anything else. People give me weird looks when I say it, but each and every machine have a ghost or a personality. Even between two indentical systems.

[Donutt007]

If anyone else is having trouble installing Vista check out this video about how to "Properly" install it
How to Install Vista

[segagamer12]

we installed vista business on my friends 2ghz 512 mb ram pc and it ram pretty good withhis video card, until he went online... oh and it disabled all his dvd software so he cant burn dvds.  hit reply to fast I meant to ad we got rid of that vista stuff and went back to xp and fedora core 2 on the side.  

[capamerica]

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Originally posted by: oohhboy
Currently 10.2.8. Going to 10.3.x soon. Just haven't gotten around to it. I still use Macos 9.2.2 for older apps(games) which I boot to. OSX does come with a speed hit though of around 10%. But it is stable like nothing else and it will only go crazy all if I mess with it inaproriately. The multitasking abilities are excellent. I can run multiple apps in a background while browsing with little degradation unless I am playing some sort of video. At that point I need every cycle I can get. As lean as I have set up my computer, it does have limitations, but it is more responsive than my parents computer which is atleast 5 times more powerful than mine with 4 times the RAM running windows XP.

I still use a 500MHz iMac DV w/ 512MB of RAM, I've got it running OSX 10.4.8 and it runs great. I use it for all my Web releated stuff, Photoshop work and the occasional game of StarCraft.

I also use a 450MHz G4 Tower w/ 1.3GB of RAM at work and it still works great for video editing, photoshop and LightWave work. I even have a few G3 I still use for video and aftereffects.

Macs just last so much longer then PCs.