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Offline SixthAngel

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Windows Vista: Why?
« on: January 14, 2007, 03:31:25 PM »
I'm not sure where to put this but since Microsoft is pushing games for windows I think other systems should work pretty well.

Why would anyone get this besides the fact that they are forced to?  I don't see it offering anything I want that xp isn't currently giving me.  Microsoft making direct x10 only work on Vista seems to be there way to force it even more then making computer makers use it.  If I had an up to date computer I would rather play new games with xp because you know they will support it for quite a long time.
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RE:Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2007, 03:46:53 PM »
I still don't understand the pricing.  $199 (full) / $100 (upgrade) for the horribly stunted Home Basic edition?  Then add $40 more for the full version or $59 more for the upgrade version of Home Premium which actually has more of the nifty new features such as Aero and Flip 3D.  And the so-called Ultimate edition with all the bells and whistles is a hefty $399 (full) $259 (upgrade).

Madness. Niche pricing for a dominant mainstream OS doesn't make sense to me.
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RE:Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2007, 04:38:26 PM »
Only with Vista can Microsoft make games like MineSweeper require DirectX 10 hardware acceleration to run.

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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2007, 04:51:37 PM »
I heard that the new MineSweeper has special Vista shapped bombs that cause your computer to crash when clicked, can anyone confirm?

There is only two reasons I have ever run a Windows operating system...
1) "PC" Games
2) Special Drivers - often commonly associated with my laptop, which will not suspend correctly with BSD or Linux.
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RE:Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2007, 04:58:35 PM »
Really, the only reason I would say to upgrade ASAP is if you demand the latest games. Now I think it is totally stupid that Vista will be a requirement for games that could run equally well on XP, but if that's how MS and the game companies want to do things, what choice does a PC gamer have?

Luckily, I am not into PC gaming and only boot into Windows 2000 for homework or multimedia.
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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2007, 05:03:24 PM »
People have asked me if there is any reason why they upgrade to Vista and why its better then XP and all I can say is, Its not, XP is a FAR better OS. And I highly recommend not wasting time or money upgrading to Vista. The ONLY reason to upgrade to Vista (if you have a PC that can handle it) is for the next version of DirectX and Halo2. MS is pretty much forcing the Gamers to upgrade by making the next version of DirectX only for Vista, but I'm hoping someone will figure out a way to get it running on XP cause its not worth upgrading and I have a feeling we're going to see very few games come out that will be Vista Only.

I've been "trying" to beta test it and the OS is such a resource hog that it brings most of my systems down to a crawl. Which is funny cause according to MS compatibility tester for Vista my computers should all be fine for running Vista. I am an Official beta tester for Vista and Office '07. Office is pretty nice and I'm almost willing to say its worth upgrading that. But Vista you should stay FAR away.

The only system I own that can sort of run Vista is my 3Ghz AMD64 with 1.5GB of RAM and a 256MB PCI-e Video card. And even then it runs pretty shitty.

My work computer which is a 1.5Ghz AMD XP with 512MB of RAM and a 128MB AGP video card barely can handle it, it takes about 5 mins to open notepad.

The OS is a serious joke and very very very few people are going to upgrade. Its going to cost people almost the same price of the OS (most likely more) just to updated their computers to handle it.

On top of that I'm finding that alot of my games are incompatible with Vista. Yes thats right incompatible. When I go to run a game like Albatross18 it tells me that I can't run this program cause its a security risk and won't let me play it. What kind of BS is that? Seriously. In order to play any old games the developers are going to have to go back and make a new executable that is compatible with Vista. This is going to be a serious nightmare to any companies who have in house made software or are using old programs that are no longer supported.

Just stay with XP and don't upgrade to Vista, infact if you buy a PC with Vista installed on it downgrade back to XP. It will save you from so many headaches.
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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2007, 06:17:11 PM »
I'll avoid bringing up why everyone should switch to Mac or Linux, but I will say to stay away from Vista. Stick with XP, there are almost guaranteed less bugs/security holes and it can run on really low end systems. Plus it will be supported for years to come. I hope MSoft gets nailed with Vista. It is a blatant attempt to copy OS X and its priorities as an OS are horribly out of whack. I'm glad to be out of the Windows world, honestly, it's just too much of a headache to deal with.
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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2007, 06:34:23 PM »
My roommate beta-tested Vista. My Minesweeper story is 100% true.

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RE:Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2007, 07:16:50 PM »
DX10 is really the only reason I would get Vista.  Btw, John Carmack is apparently not too impressed with Vista or DX10: http://pc.ign.com/articles/754/754798p1.html
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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2007, 08:00:13 PM »
It was bad enough to go from 2k to XP (slower and less stable). Vista will just make it worse.
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RE:Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2007, 08:43:04 PM »
Luckily I will be getting Vista from my school for 10$ (not the stupid home version either) because of student discounts!
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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2007, 01:05:14 AM »
Me too but I'll avoid it for as long as possible because I know the biggest improvements in every Windows version is that it drains even more ressources for basic tasks.
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RE:Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2007, 02:15:35 AM »
Video-accelerated desktop.
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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2007, 02:22:14 AM »
You mean
Video-decellerated desktop
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RE:Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2007, 03:36:07 AM »
you would think console gamers would be used to buying not so great updates.
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RE:Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2007, 04:34:40 AM »
I tried vista already it sucksed then gave linux a shot went back to XP. I might go back to linux  if I can get everything I run working on it if not ills tick with Xp I dont play games on PC much so thats not an issue with me
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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2007, 05:15:26 AM »
I stopped PC gaming for over 1 year, and I ain't coming back to them. Wii and DS fulfill my gaming needs. All I use my PC for now is to either run video, listen to music, or use professional apps, oh and web browsing too. WinXP runs perfectly on my PC, so no Vista for me.
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RE:Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2007, 05:39:54 AM »
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Luckily I will be getting Vista from my school for 10$ (not the stupid home version either) because of student discounts!


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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2007, 05:55:00 AM »
"Why would anyone get this besides the fact that they are forced to?"

That's pretty much what I've been saying since Windows 95.  I honestly have not seen much use for the newer versions of Windows.  But I'm sure there are some major behind-the-scenes security and bug fixes that do make it more worthwhile.  To me XP is just that Windows OS that made all my old games stop working but I had to get because I couldn't get a new PC without it.

But then I still use Office 97 and see no reason to upgrade so I don't know if I'm in the norm here.  I also have reached a point where aside from a bigger hard drive (which I can get externally) I personally see no need to upgrade my PC ever again.  It finally hit a point where I'm completely content and have no desire for a better machine.
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RE:Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2007, 07:39:54 AM »
I'm still using Windows 2k. I'll only upgrade to Vista if there is absolutely no way to run DX10 in 2k.

And even then, I'll probably have a dual-boot of Linux for everything besides games.
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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2007, 08:14:48 AM »
You can be pretty damn sure that dx10 won't be ported to 2k. They're relying heavily on the low-level behaviour of Vista for this.
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RE:Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2007, 02:08:05 PM »
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You can be pretty damn sure that dx10 won't be ported to 2k. They're relying heavily on the low-level behaviour of Vista for this.


That' what I'm afraid of, but there's always the chance someone will find a way to make it run with 2k.
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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2007, 11:21:01 PM »
I really doubt that, you could write a library that emulates DX10 but most likely DX10 is tied strongly to the Vista kernel (probably even a major part of it).
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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2007, 03:51:50 AM »
im still using windows 98
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RE: Windows Vista: Why?
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2007, 05:23:04 AM »
Still want a proper review of vista, not these retarded "10 reasons not to buy vista" articals

so many articals lied about xp and its ram useage, yet people are falling for it again with vista
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