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RE: Hold your Wee for a Wii
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2007, 12:18:49 PM »
well, heres my deal I don't drink water much(i know its bad for you, my brother has the kidney stones to prove it), I fricking hate how it tastes. So, one day i was flipping through Wikipedia about 2 months ago and read about water intoxication. I really didn't know about it till then. I bet she didn't know about it either. Really water is deemed "good" for you, so who would think drinking allot of water would harm you. I really feel sorry for this lady's kids and its probably one of the saddest stories I've heard in a long time. She died for them, but I'm betting she really didn't think much of it..and only 42 ounces? Thats not very much actually.

as far as the name goes, Revolution is a clearly worse name in this regard....in any case they could have named it anything stupid and its name could have caused some crazy small town revolution or a wii wee contest. At least they didnt anem it game rectangle or some stupid crap like the last system.

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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2007, 12:20:33 PM »
If it wasn't Wii, it would've been "Hold your pee for a PS3"...

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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2007, 01:48:54 PM »
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If it wasn't Wii, it would've been "Hold your pee for a PS3"...


Lol. I really think the moral of this story isn't that the Wii name is the cause, but that people do stupid stuff and have stupid competitions.
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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2007, 02:06:29 PM »
Oh yeah, I agree.  To me, it's hard to place blame in a situation like this.  The contestants ought to have known about the dangers of drinking too much water too quickly, just as the radio station should've had medical professionals on hand just in case (did they?).  And then maybe no one's to blame in the end.

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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2007, 02:46:12 PM »
Not to add fuel to the fire, but there's a chance that the mother tried HARD to find a Wii just in time for Christmas but couldn't find anything and her kids were severely disappointed. So I wouldn't be surprised if she thought she could get a Wii very easily by entering this contest.

I agree that it was stupid of her, but when people are really desperate to get something they WILL do something stupid.

I wouldn't be surprised if the kids bitched at her about not getting a Wii, pushing her into doing this.

And yeah, its stupid to put the blame on the name. Even the most normal product names get really stupid, gimmicky contests like this. Heard of 100 grand contests?
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RE: Hold your Wee for a Wii
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2007, 03:39:13 PM »
my local tv news station did a small thing about it, apparently the mother did sign a waiver so I'm not sure if the radio station can get into trouble sadly.

I think atleast the contestants should have done was jog it off as sweating does reduce the amount of water in your system.

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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2007, 04:11:11 PM »
Yeah, if we want to blame anyone, blame Nintendo's sluggishness in replenishing the Wii supply.

Most Gamestops I've talked to are getting roughly 3 per week. I don't care what anyone says: that's pathetic.
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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2007, 04:37:26 PM »
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Yeah, if we want to blame anyone, blame Nintendo's sluggishness in replenishing the Wii supply.

Most Gamestops I've talked to are getting roughly 3 per week. I don't care what anyone says: that's pathetic.


You stole the words right out of my mind...

It was clearly the rarity of the system that drove the people into doing this.

But again, its unfair to put the blame on just one source. If anything, EVERYONE is guilty in this story.

The radio station is guilty for promoting a contest that could physically hurt people.
Nintendo is guilty for not replenishing the Wii supplies.
The woman is guilty for putting her body in danger for the sake of a GAME CONSOLE.
And I hate myself for saying this, but the children are probably guilty of bitching to her about not getting a Wii.

Its like everyone contributed to the death of this woman, the victim included.  
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RE: Hold your Wee for a Wii
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2007, 04:42:48 PM »
Ugh. How can you blame Nintendo for not having enough supply? Here's some news; they WANT MONEY! They WANT TO SELL CONSOLES. They're MAKING THEM AS FAST AS THEY CAN. They wouldn't lie in estimates - that would cause huge backlash from their stockholders.

How do you know she was looking for one before? How do you know her kids kept nagging her? What if she just couldn't afford the Wii, and entered this contest to have a chance of getting it free?

You guys are making way too many assumptions here..
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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2007, 04:47:11 PM »
Ok first off, why do people keep acting like it is so easy for Nintendo to pump out systems?  It takes a loooooooooooong time to make, compile, package, ship, and sell all those systems.  WAY longer than anyone seems to understand, because I've seen nothing but whining all over the 'net from people acting like Nintendo can make these things in a matter of seconds.  True, they could have opened up another factory for production, but I imagine they have to be somewhat cautious right now, especially considering all the talk I see about "well the Wii has no worthwhile games for the first half of the year, being ripe for the usual Nintendo drought."  Even if they scaled up production, we wouldn't see evidence of that for a few weeks - if not months - anyway, so it isn't going to help the situation.

It doesn't help that they obviously didn't plan for this kind of thing to happen, because they just had to recently raise their predictions for sales.  

Nintendo has absolutely nothing to do with this any more than the people getting shot over the PS3 did for Sony.  That's hysteria on the part outside of their realm of power and coercion.  Does this mean they shouldn't care?  No, but there's a HUGE gap between where Nintendo's liability ends and things like this begin.  

Now then, as far as this entire situation is concerned, I'm just going to quote myself from over at CAG, because I think that's as complete as I'm going to get on this subject:

Corporations are supposed to pay people to investigate potential health hazards for stunts like this. It's why they should have had medical professionals on standby or possibly at the event in question, and the fact that the woman apparently was crying in pain should have been a red flag, and she should have been checked out immediately.

First the TRU baby debacle, now this sort of thing. A few years ago at the college here, they had a Toughman contest, and some participant went home and died after competing due to head trauma (I think it was an anyuerism [sic]), which manifested as a headache at the time. Turns out he was bleeding internally and didn't know it.

Drink too much water and you'd overload your bladder and kidneys, which would backup into your bloodstream, and at that point, you are in big trouble.

Anyone saying this woman deserved this for negligence...that's pretty haughty. Your body sometimes cannot adequately communicate internal problems, iand even when it does, most people can't recognize them. That's why a kid last year, after football practice in the 100+ degree weather, went home, fell asleep, and never woke up.

Here is all that can be said - this is an unfortunate turn of events. Period. Nothing more or less. You can't blame the contestant, because they generally think they are operating in an environment that is safe and secure. The only way this could have been avoided is if health officials were present and had checked the woman immediately, which would have required the company to hire them and research these potential issues to begin with.

But above all, the main thing anyone should remember is that we are not as in control of our bodies as we'd like to think. I can't control my heartbeats or body temperature (though, to be fair, supposedly monks can learn to do these kinds of things, but I don't have proof) any better than I can tell if I'm currently under attack from a virus until I feel some kind of reaction, namely fever. And by then, I'm defintely under attack, and there's nothing I can do to help myself except ride it out.

However, the moment you feel unsure about something or bad, get medical help. That's about all you can do.

Now this conversation has gone on long enough, and for people to bat some careless eyes at it is to be expected, but the only reason I can see someone doing this is so that they can make themselves feel better about themselves. I guess it's a self preservation sort of thing. "That woman got taken out by drinking too much water. I'm going to go out a much cooler way, like in a runaway semi truck driven by the Incredible Hulk." Again, to be expected, but you're not looking very cool at the moment, so I'm not sure why you'd care to bring it up at all. Just move along.

Just leave it at this point. The woman is dead, it's kinda tragic, and hopefully it's going to force companies to rethink their promotional strategies, as well as teach people that they need to pay attention.
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RE:Hold your Wee for a Wii
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2007, 04:51:45 PM »
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Ugh. How can you blame Nintendo for not having enough supply? Here's some news; they WANT MONEY! They WANT TO SELL CONSOLES. They're MAKING THEM AS FAST AS THEY CAN. They wouldn't lie in estimates - that would cause huge backlash from their stockholders.

How do you know she was looking for one before? How do you know her kids kept nagging her? What if she just couldn't afford the Wii, and entered this contest to have a chance of getting it free?

You guys are making way too many assumptions here..


I'm just being realistic, dude. You are right in that we don't know how it exactly happened and the woman's intentions, so the best we can do is speculate why it happened.

I've seen cases like these where people go to the extreme just to get something, and the mass media LOVES to exploit these people for the sake of entertainment. Don't believe me? Turn on your TV. You are bound to see more than one show that put honest people that simply want something in dangerous, humiliating and degrading situations just so we can sit back and enjoy it. It's true that no one forced them to do it but like I mentioned, when people want something badly, whether it be for themselves or for someone they love, they will do ANYTHING to achieve it. Hell, if the thing they must do to achieve their dream is to kill someone else, some WILL DO IT.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the radio station made a BIG deal out how the Wii is very hard to find and they happened to have one. Again, hot product, combined with high demand and rarity and people will go nuts trying to buy one.

Sorry if we are being cruel and morbid, dude. We have said that what happened to the woman is sad. But at the same time we have to accept that this death was caused by the irresponsibility of many sources, including the woman herself.
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RE:Hold your Wee for a Wii
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2007, 05:00:34 PM »
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Originally posted by: IceCold You guys are making way too many assumptions here..


The only safe assumption is that Nintendo sucks ass at manufacturing.

It's not just the Wii: the DSL is also sold out across most of the US and it has been on the market for the better part of the year, its incredibly high demand being evidenced since its inception.

So what's the excuse there? Nintendo knows how popular it is, they know it will continue to sell: there's no DANGER in producing too many DSLs. So why the shortage?

Maybe this woman had different motivations for wanting to win the contest, but I'm hesitant to believe that the shortage of Wiis didn't play a factor in her desire to acquire one through any means necessary.

Even if she was dirt poor, $250 would basically suffice as an xmas present for all three of her kids. If she could have walked into a store an bought a Wii before xmas, she probably wouldn't be dead right now.

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Ok first off, why do people keep acting like it is so easy for Nintendo to pump out systems? It takes a loooooooooooong time to make, compile, package, ship, and sell all those systems. WAY longer than anyone seems to understand, because I've seen nothing but whining all over the 'net from people acting like Nintendo can make these things in a matter of seconds. True, they could have opened up another factory for production, but I imagine they have to be somewhat cautious right now, especially considering all the talk I see about "well the Wii has no worthwhile games for the first half of the year, being ripe for the usual Nintendo drought." Even if they scaled up production, we wouldn't see evidence of that for a few weeks - if not months - anyway, so it isn't going to help the situation.


Like I said, the DSL has been out for most of the year and it still was sold out everywhere.

Nintendo just sucks at manufacturing. Whether that's because they refuse to create enough factories or general incompetence is anyone's guess, but the fact remains: there's NO excuse for the DSL to be sold out and it is as well.
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RE:Hold your Wee for a Wii
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2007, 05:06:02 PM »
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Like I said, the DSL has been out for most of the year and it still was sold out everywhere.




You can't compare the DSL and the Wii, so stop doing it.  

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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2007, 05:08:31 PM »
The whole thing is crazy, I can't see blaming anybody for it really, it's just a sad thing that happened.

This wasn't some lunatic stunt this woman was performing, she drank a very modest amount of water and through some weird unforseen body chemistry issue she died. It's as though they had a dance competition and she had a heart attack on the floor 15 minutes in. A shame, but lets not go around point fingers.

40-odd ounces is not anywhere near a lethal dose of water for a healthy adult. Yesterday just to get a sense of how much it was I measured out that amount of water into a bowl, and easily drank the entire bowl without taking a breath. It's not as though I was taking my life into my hands or anything you understand, it's just that it was not that much.

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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2007, 05:11:27 PM »
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Like I said, the DSL has been out for most of the year and it still was sold out everywhere.




You can't compare the DSL and the Wii, so stop doing it.


Why?

Both systems are highly sought out. But feature a lot of great games that everyone wants to play and both feature mass appeal.

And both suffer from high demand, not enough units, partly because Nintendo never sees it coming and severely under ships to stores.

You can try to cover the sky with your hand all you want, but its hard to deny that Nintendo has fumbled on shipping both systems to stores.

I already said that I am willing to forgive Nintendo about the Wii since its still just starting and manufacturing Wiis will still be hard. But if by April of May the Wii is STILL extremely hard to find no one can't deny it then; something is up at Nintendo.
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2007, 05:18:48 PM »
I got a question.....What kind of water was she drinking, bottled water, or tap water

I'm going to guess bottled water, and i've never been a fan of bottled water so i'm going to say that the bottled water is the company that needs to be sued
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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2007, 05:22:08 PM »
Because one IS 2 months old and the other IS over 2 years old.  That's the FIRST reason.  The second is that one is a portable system that is hardly as complex as the Wii and requires far less parts.  Not to mention it has been riding selling-out-status for well over 6 months now due to incredible demands in both the US and Japan, mostly due to incredible games coming out for it.  And even when Nintendo ups the ante for production, it STILL sells out, as if demand and supply are scaling upward proportionately, meaning you could NEVER catch up at the moment.

Nintendo never had this much trouble with the GBA, and it's one of the highest selling systems in the history of gaming.  And yet here were are, with problems with two systems?  That's the product of demand outstripping supply, and when you're forcing all your systems as fast as you can go, that's no longer your damn fault.  And AGAIN, even if they opened up a new factory, we wouldn't see changes from that for well over a month, and by then it might have been all for naught, and you're stuck with a lot of lost money.

There's no way Nintendo could prepare for that, as evidence by their recent increases in production and revenue estimates.  Which means the market is bigger than they could prepare for.  The DS sells 150K systems a WEEK alone in Japan.

Beyond that, it's the damn holiday season.  On December 1st you'd have no problem finding a DS in any store.  But come December 24th and later, it is impossible.  Because people wait until the last minute.  And when you see that kind of surge out of nowhere, there's nothing you can do to defend against it.

If we have this issue in April, then you've got a point.  But it's 3-4 weeks post-Christmas, and that has only fueled the sales of the Wii.  

I still think all of this nonsense is a leftover from whatever BS report came out that said "Nintendo is stockpiling 11 million Wiis," which was just that - bs.  

I gaurantee you I could go find a DSL waaaaaay more easily than I could a Wii right now.  You peopel act like you've never seen a holiday season before.
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RE:Hold your Wee for a Wii
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2007, 06:59:58 PM »
As a previous poster said it is stupid to blame Nintendo at ALL, I'm sorry but shortages of hot products happen all the time. Companies try to meet demand but it doesn't always work out. Besides that it is a freaken entertainment product, it isn't like this woman was trying to get rare flushots or anything. To blame a company for people doing stupid things to get their "Hot" product is silly and frankly alittle pathetic. If people took responsibility for putting on these types of contests along with those participating (especially through curbing their "I want neat product" desires) you wouldn't see this stuff, but it is stupid, idiotic statements like it is Nintendo or any other developers fault is what is perpetuating, well, stupidity and not taking responsibility for YOUR actions.
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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2007, 01:41:10 AM »
I'm not sure where you people are getting the 40oz information, but she drank for more than that.

She drank 224 ounces of water for the contest.  That's 6.62 Liters of water.  That's 1.75 Gallons of water.  They were drinking a half pint every 15 minutes and then given larger bottles to drink after the first hour.  That means she most likely drank all that water in less than 3 hours with no other source of nutrients or excercise or going the bathroom.  It is recommended that you drink 64 ounces of water each day normally.

The majority of people do not know that drinking to much water can kill you.  Most think it will make you sick at the worst and you have to lie down and wait for your body to digest it (which actually make it worse).  Sweating wil not help and at that point going the bathroom won't help.  You have to be treated with sodium and other nutrients to re-equalize your body.  I would say 98% of us would have no idea that would be the only way to save your life in that situation.  Stop blaming the victim, she entered a contest that she most likely assumed was safe given it was put on by a public radio station.  Unfortunetly it looks like the radio station may not have consulted with a medical professional about this before hand.  Again, they like most people, probably didn't think it was dangerous (as said most people don't realize you can die from drinking to much water) and didn't think to worry about a doctor.  They will end up getting sewed, and unless they had a doctor on hand and consulted one before hand, will loose.  Worse they will have to live with the knowledge that they put on a contest that killed someone, that is probably the worse punishment they could be dealt.  

I for one feal sorrow for all.  I'm sorry to the children who have lost their mother and will probably never be able to enjoy a video game again for the memories it will bring.  I feel sorry for the radio station jockys, which thought they were putting on a fun event for all that would give someone a toy they have been desperately looking for with out any thought of the peril to come.  And I feel sorry for Nintendo, who will now have a smear on their reputation for something they had no involvment in, and probably would have known better not to run (as a larger corporation, their lawyers would have most likely demanded the doctors advice).

No one is going to win in this (except maybe the lawyers), no amount of funds or gifts will bring the childrens mother back.  Those at the radio station will never enjoy their jobs the same way (if they even can get a job after this, or find any form of enjoyment in their careers).  

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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2007, 02:15:19 AM »
It reminds me of the time when I was in japan where me and a bunch of students were playing drinking games with cards without the alcohol. We started with some nasty mixtures of green tea lemonad like stuff and some other stuff I can't remember. Eventaully we ran out of the nasty stuff to drink, so we moved on to straight water in fairly sizeable quantities. You lose, you drank a glass full. The card game was taking too long, so we moved on to one card draw, lowest card loses. It just happened that one guy was really unlucky and ended up with like 8+ glasses of water in about 30 minutes. It works out to about 2 liters. At that point he had enough and quit. He went to take a leak like every 5-10 minutes afterwards for the next hour.

I knew at the time that too much water would make you sick, but unless you forced it, you wouldn't get any further than "I am full and bloated, I am out". In some ways we were lucky nothing happened due to the fact everybody had an "Out". nothing was at state except for some pride. Mind you though, nowdays, we play similar games with alcohol....
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RE:Hold your Wee for a Wii
« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2007, 02:54:15 AM »
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I'm not sure where you people are getting the 40oz information, but she drank for more than that.

She drank 224 ounces of water for the contest.  That's 6.62 Liters of water.  That's 1.75 Gallons of water.  They were drinking a half pint every 15 minutes and then given larger bottles to drink after the first hour.  That means she most likely drank all that water in less than 3 hours with no other source of nutrients or excercise or going the bathroom.  It is recommended that you drink 64 ounces of water each day normally.



That's an interesting change of info. The original article I saw said she drank five 8-oz. bottles and part of a larger bottle before stopping. Now places like the Sac. Bee are reporting five times that amount. I wonder which is correct.  

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« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2007, 03:37:08 AM »
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my local tv news station did a small thing about it, apparently the mother did sign a waiver so I'm not sure if the radio station can get into trouble sadly.

Funny thing about contracts: you can't waive somebody else's rights.  If she had merely been hospitalized, she might not have been able to win damages from the radio station.  Honestly, I have no idea how such waivers typically hold up in court.  However, I know for a fact that the waiver could not have bound her family.

If lawyers get involved, they will sue whoever is involved that has deep pockets.  That's just the way it is, sadly.  If Nintendo was providing the prize, it's open season.  If the station bought the Wii off a store shelf, I'm not sure what will happen.  The station was using a Nintendo trademark in a promotion, so it's very likely that they got Nintendo's permission, which would probably be enough for lawyers to argue Nintendo endorsed the contest.  The company that bottled the water will probably get sued, too.

If Nintendo had chosen a different name, would this have happened?  Maybe not.  If I built a time machine and assassinated Adolf Hitler before he rose to power, could World War II have been avoided?  Who knows, but it doesn't make the Holocaust my fault for not building a time machine.  /.'s BadAnalogyGuy would be proud.

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« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2007, 05:01:11 AM »
"If you honestly believe this, you are retarded in every possible sense of the word."

It was a lame attempt at dark humour.  Although I do think the name is dumb as f*ck I don't blame Nintendo for what happened.  Now technically if they picked a different name this wouldn't have happened but that's just a fluke thing.  There was no negligence on Nintendo's part.  And unless they're intentionally short changing us I don't blame shortages either.  Is Sony responsible for the people killed for a PS3?  No.  That's just an unfortunate incident that just happens to be related.

It's like is someone stole your car and then ran someone over with it.  Yeah if you had parked your car somewhere else the same scenario may not have happened but it still wasn't your fault.

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RE:Hold your Wee for a Wii
« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2007, 06:10:02 AM »
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Originally posted by: Strell You can't compare the DSL and the Wii, so stop doing it.


I've been doing THAT since the Wii's announcement (back when it was called the Revolution) after the controller's unveiling. Where were you THEN?

But yes I can, and I will. I've compared the DS vs. PSP and used that to predict the outcome of the Wii vs. PS3 and, GASP, my predictions on the subject have been EERILY accurate.

However, the only necessary comparison for this argument is this: Nintendo can't competently keep a product which is in immensely high demand on the shelves even after it has been out for a year, ergo, Nintendo's manufacturing SUCKS.

To be fair, maybe Nintendo is still so unused to having products which people actually want that they've yet to realize it, but if Nintendo hasn't caught up to demand for the DSL yet, then guess what?

Expect the Wii to be sold out everywhere for the remainder of 2007, folks. I think Iwata has done great things for Nintendo, but it's time to start opening factories like it's going out of style.

Right now, the Wii isn't in any danger of being OVERproduced, just like there has YET to be any overproduction for the DSL even after a YEAR.

This woman's death is tragic, and if we had exchanged places, I too would be dead from water toxicity (mainly because I didn't know it was possible...) because I'm still trying to acquire two more Wiis for friends and despite the fact that I've been pestering local (and distant) retailers like a goddamn unswattable wasp, I STILL can't get any more f*cking Wiis.

Nintendo's sh*tty manufacturing is the catalyst here. If Wiis were widely available, the radio station wouldn't have done a contest like this (or they would have done it for TMEX or some other rare toy). There are many other factors, but the whole thing could have been avoided if Nintendo simply had their sh*t together when it comes to manufacturing.
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RE: Hold your Wee for a Wii
« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2007, 06:24:59 AM »
Well, to be fair SB, the DSLite WAS easier to find. It was the holiday season that really killed it as everyone went out at the same time and bought it. I seem to recall something similar happening to the GB Color back when it was first released alongside Pokemon in 1998 and 1999.

Like I said already, I am willing to forgive Nintendo for not having any Wiis now since it was just released and history dictates that new consoles are extremely hard to find a few months after launch (except for the PS3, which is everywhere right now...). And they did just come out of a worldwide launch.

But like I kept saying if by summer Wiis are still EXTREMELY hard to find something is up at Nintendo, as if someone at Nintendo truly doesn't want to sell like crazy.
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