Topic: It's official. PS3 is made of fail.

[Dirk Temporo]

In the eyes of consumers at least.

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A brand new 60GB PS3, and the auction ends for less than retail price. This, along with the fact that my store has PS3s just hanging out in the back, tells me that demand for PS3 is right around the demand for a system that's been out for a couple years, which says to me that Sony has failed their launch.

Thoughts?

[Arbok]

Been happening for a few days now actually, mostly in the $570-$590 range... but that's the lowest I have ever seen one go for. At this rate, they will be selling for around the same price as the 360 on ebay in a couple of month's time.

[Hocotate]

It's only hopes are/have been MGS4 and FFXIII, these games won't be out for a long time... expect MGS4 to be on 360, as well as FFXIII perhaps too... I predict more of the game being cancelled and remade to be a Wii or DS game. I've heard rumors that the game is only 5% complete, so if thats true remaking it for the platform with the larger userbase would pay off in the end.

[GoldenPhoenix]

It would be pretty funny if many of the 3rd party multi-console games were developed around the Wii hardware and ported to 360/PS3 closing the graphical gap considerably! It happened with PS2 with multiplatform games with little effort being put into upgrading the visuals for the more powerful GC and XBox 360, so it would be pleasing to see the same thing happen with Wii.

[capamerica]

I've been saying this would happen and now its happening.

Its funny Sony's only hope for survival lies with two games that will most likely not see the light of day till later 2007 early 2008.

[Kairon]

Anecdotal. Premature. Wishful Thinking.

Everything a Nintendo fanboi like me wants to hear!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[segagamer12]

I was at target and the guy who worked there was telling me he listed his on ebay three times and it didnt sell and now he has to sell it at a loss or keep it.  

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: segagamer12
I was at target and the guy who worked there was telling me he listed his on ebay three times and it didnt sell and now he has to sell it at a loss or keep it.

One more PS3 happily settled in the hands of a satisfied customer. Sony couldn't be prouder!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[ShyGuy]

You spelled PHAIL wrong.

[UERD]

Good grief. The sooner Sony can rip its own entrails out, the sooner Nintendo can focus on Microsoft.

I sure hope this 'second-mortgage super-luxury do-everything game console' trend dies out this generation.

[segagamer12]

3Do could play games, music cds and with an adaptor movies,

Playstation has always focused on its multimedia aspects, PS1 made a big deal out of the cd playback capabilities,

Sega Cd boasted it could play Cd+g karaoke disks and audio cds,

Ngage was a cell phone/gameplayer/

Cd-i played educational media along with a few rare video games and some vcds also.

Psp is an mp3 player that happens to also play movies and occassional a game or two,


its not a new trend, they always tout the non game features to attract non gamers to the system. Its just never been a real factor before Ps2.

Sadly I dont think it will ever go away I think non game companies will always try and push nongame features on thier so called game players.  

[BlackNMild2k1]

Sometimes those non-gaming feaures just make sense, so why not include them.

If the games are being put onto DVD's and the system can read a standard DVD, then why not allow DVD movie playback?
The Wii uses DS cards for storage, and what do people use SD cards for? Music, Pitures, videos and general data storage. So why not let the Wii access & playback those things since they are likely to be on the SD cards people use anyway.
All the new systems access the internet for whatever reason, so why not let you access that internet and whatever it may have to offer?

Sometimes those extra non-gaming features just make sense. But when they start forcing extra's down our throats *cough*sony*cough*. thats where I hope the trend dies.

[couchmonkey]

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Sometimes those non-gaming feaures just make sense, so why not include them.

If the games are being put onto DVD's and the system can read a standard DVD, then why not allow DVD movie playback?
The Wii uses DS cards for storage, and what do people use SD cards for? Music, Pitures, videos and general data storage. So why not let the Wii access & playback those things since they are likely to be on the SD cards people use anyway.
All the new systems access the internet for whatever reason, so why not let you access that internet and whatever it may have to offer?

Sometimes those extra non-gaming features just make sense. But when they start forcing extra's down our throats *cough*sony*cough*. thats where I hope the trend dies.

I think you hit the nail on the head here - Sony is making us pay for Blu-ray, but we want video games.  If Blu-ray was cheap or in high demand it would be a good idea, but instead Sony's charging a premium for an extra feature that's not in high demand.

Clearly, the price is starting to come into play.  I'm actually a little surprised at just how early it became a factor - I figured Sony would easily grab up a few million customers even at this price.

[Ian Sane]

"Sometimes those non-gaming feaures just make sense, so why not include them."

I agree.  I think the difference is often on the intentions of the feature.  It made sense for the Playstation to use CDs.  It was good game console design.  So naturally if the CD player is already in there why not let it play CDs as well?  Sony didn't say "hey let's put a CD player in our console to encourage CD sales".  It was never part of the plan.  I wonder if DVDs for the PS2 was even intentionally a non-gaming feature.  It seemed like a logical medium for the console to use.  They probably thought of the idea and then thought "hey we could make it play movie DVDs as well and thus attract some sales as a budget DVD player!"

The PSP is the first time I've seen a blatant attempt to force extra stuff into a system.  They didn't design a game system and then included non-gaming features that were more or less already there.  They had the plan of a multi-feature machine from the beginning.  Same with the PS3.  That's never been successful so I don't think that will remain the trend.  That's what console makers that have either forgotten how to make a good console or never knew how in the first place do.

[JonLeung]

Kind of like "jack of all trades, master of none?"

I think the CD-based game systems that could play CDs, okay, that's a natural fit, sure.  I think DVD was a bigger deal; the PS2 was probably helped along by the fact that DVDs, depsite being around for a few years previous, was still new to many people, however, it was already established as the definite standard.  People wanted a DVD player and they wanted a PS2 so it worked well.

But using the PSP to introduce UMD and the PS3 to try to bring the unproven Blu-Ray to the masses are certainly much more chancy.  And has been mentioned so many times before, it's not the jump from VHS to DVD.  Blu-Rays are digital discs that hold more - so you can get more quality or more features or less disc-swapping, big whoop.  There's next to nothing in terms of actual new features like chapters, subtitles, special features, web content, etc. that DVDs introduced.  Plus it's competing with HD-DVD.  Then in the UMD's case you're paying more for a smaller disc that has less features.  That's a pure recipe for disaster...tell consumers to pay more to get less.  Sheesh.

I suppose it's too late for Sony to release a Blu-Ray-less PS3 that would be at a decent price.  Ah, well, let them screw themselves up.  Not just because they may deserve it, but so that people will remember that the best-selling product may not always be the best thing out there forever.  I weep (not really, but I do feel sorry) for kids that "grew up" on the PlayStation.  I don't just say that because I'm a Nintendo fanboy(well, maybe I do), but I get the impression that those kids didn't know any better and just went with what's "cool".  If Wii's momentum continues and Nintendo is cool again, how confused will the PlayStation fans be?  (Assuming they were really fans to begin with, or just simply never tried the competition.)

Sure, I'm hard on Sony.  But it's not just me.  I had actually assumed that the PS3 would do a bit better this holiday season.  The interest level in the PS3 may be sinking faster than I thought it would.  If this keeps up, we can pretty much bet on FF XIII and MGS 4 to be non-exclusives.

[KDR_11k]

Kinda reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer is asked to design a car. He creates the ultimate car with everything anyone would want but it ends up being so expensive noone can afford it. That's kinda what Sony did, add features without considering the overall price or even how the hardware works together resulting in an expensive consoel with bottlenecks so severe that even if some of its parts are better than the 360 noone can use them because some other part will be pushed to its limit long before then.

[Ian Sane]

"Kinda reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer is asked to design a car. He creates the ultimate car with everything anyone would want but it ends up being so expensive noone can afford it."

All my life I have dreamed of a car that felt a certain way: powerful like a gorilla, yet soft and yielding like a Nerf ball.

Don't forget that the Homer is also an incredibly hideous car that would probably bomb even if it was low priced.  Though I think it would be cool to have one.

"I suppose it's too late for Sony to release a Blu-Ray-less PS3 that would be at a decent price."

Well the problem is that games can be made on Blu-Ray discs.  To remove the functionality would make certain games unplayable.  But are there any Blu-Ray games yet?  Maybe Sony could redesign it without the Blu-Ray player and ensure that there never are any Blu-Ray games.  They would probably piss off some third parties that want to use the format but it would let them make a cheaper PS3 that still played all PS3 games (and with old PS3s still being able to play everything).  Hell even if there are Blu-Ray games out I would recommend just ditching it and use a DVD based PS3.  Not that many people own a PS3 yet anyway and the lower price could potentially sell enough consoles to make up for the few people that would be pissed off.  It would better than the console failing outright because of the high price.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane Well the problem is that games can be made on Blu-Ray discs.  To remove the functionality would make certain games unplayable.  But are there any Blu-Ray games yet?  Maybe Sony could redesign it without the Blu-Ray player and ensure that there never are any Blu-Ray games.  They would probably piss off some third parties that want to use the format but it would let them make a cheaper PS3 that still played all PS3 games (and with old PS3s still being able to play everything).  Hell even if there are Blu-Ray games out I would recommend just ditching it and use a DVD based PS3.  Not that many people own a PS3 yet anyway and the lower price could potentially sell enough consoles to make up for the few people that would be pissed off.  It would better than the console failing outright because of the high price.

In one Medacast, I made the best analogy about Sony's current situation that I could: watching what Sony is doing now is like watching a man wearing an expensive tuxedo crawling on his stomach into a lake of sewage, all the while shouting, "Oh, this is WONDERFUL! This is just great! I'm LOVING this!"

Sony started believing their own press releases and, as a result, would prefer to drown at the bottom of that lake rather than accept the reality of their mistakes.

[vudu]

Thus far there are no BRD games.  Sony could easily drop the format and start making DVD-based PS3s.

However, doing that would be admitting defeat.  Ken Kutaragi would sooner commit Seppuku.

[hudsonhawk]

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Originally posted by: vudu
Thus far there are no BRD games.

Resistance is on a Blu-Ray disc.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: hudsonhawk Resistance is on a Blu-Ray disc.

Yeah, but it's arguably not necessary.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Blu-Ray enhances the FPS experience and allows for superior control input.

WHAT MUSHROOMS HAVE YOU BEEN JUMPING OFF?

[Ian Sane]

How big are the Blu-Ray PS3 games?  Could they be ported to a DVD or turned into a multidisc game?  My suggested change is huge no matter what and reissuing Blu-Ray games as DVD games would just have to be part of the process.  I'm talking about a plan that may be needed to save the PS3 outright.  Sony won't do it because their real goal is to establish Blu-Ray and having a successful PS3 videogame console without Blu-Ray support isn't what they want.  And frankly I don't care because I don't care for them and would like it if they had to leave gaming.  Hell I wouldn't even care if Sony the company folded outright.  It doesn't really make a difference to me.  Let their stubborness destroy them.

[Louieturkey]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
How big are the Blu-Ray PS3 games?  Could they be ported to a DVD or turned into a multidisc game?  My suggested change is huge no matter what and reissuing Blu-Ray games as DVD games would just have to be part of the process.  I'm talking about a plan that may be needed to save the PS3 outright.  Sony won't do it because their real goal is to establish Blu-Ray and having a successful PS3 videogame console without Blu-Ray support isn't what they want.  And frankly I don't care because I don't care for them and would like it if they had to leave gaming.  Hell I wouldn't even care if Sony the company folded outright.  It doesn't really make a difference to me.  Let their stubborness destroy them.

All PS3 games are BRD based.  However, since all of them are available for the 360 sans 1 or 2, I believe they all could be put onto DVD.  I think FFXIII may not be able to(unless you use multidiscs) and Gran Turismo 5 either (again unless you use extra discs).  So essentially, they can ditch bluray and put everything onto dvd.

[segagamer12]

I made my descion, I am going to geta  360 and an HD DVD player just to screw sony over. I was going to wait and see before getting any hd disk but I am going to go ahead and startt supporting HD now so that it increases its sales. Sony needs to die. I used to love Sony till they tried tot ake over the world andkilled off all the game companies I liked.