Author Topic: Looks like Capcom still hates money. (Read 80498 times)

Caterkiller · « **Reply #25 on:** December 28, 2006, 07:51:24 AM »

Not to completely derail this capcom talk here, but I have a theory as to why Nintendo's franchises were loaned out so much this past generation.

With the SNES and N64 Nintendo pretty much perfected 2D and 3D Mario, Zelda, and Star Fox. Nintendo probably felt they went as far as they could with the franchises like Zelda in 2D, and Star Fox, and decided to lend them out to other developers because of that, as well as to strengthen relationships. Now with all these zany new control schemes, Nintendo must have so many great ideas to implement into our franchises, and im sure that they will all be taken back.

Look at Jungle Beat, those drums came around and Nintendo took DK back and made a killer game with it. Well its not like Rare was around to make the game any how, but you know what I mean.

As soon as Capcom announces the PS3 Six! thats when we know we will get at least 4 ports, all updated for the wii. No worries. Then the original titles will follow.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #26 on:** December 28, 2006, 08:37:26 AM »

I kind of agree Caterkiller, I think Nintendo was farming out franchises that should have been "easy" to make sequels to. Namco managed to screw up StarFox anyway, but my point is, Nintendo was buying itself more time to develop new ideas while others worked on "easy" classics. With Wii and DS, Nintendo needs to take responsibility for bringing new controls to these games itself to ensure they turn out right.

Capcom's moves are not that surprising, I agree with Svevan on that...the company's affinity for PSP is still a little puzzling, but to be fair there are like 20 million of them out there - that's comparable to GameCube. A lot of the games are developed cheaply and there's probably not as much competition as on DS. If Capcom keeps this up for another year, then I'll be surprised.

hudsonhawk · « **Reply #27 on:** December 28, 2006, 08:41:53 AM »

See, I don't think that's it all. I think there's two things driving it - a need to rely less on 3rd parties for games and simple economics.

The Gamecube and N64 were both badly hurt by the lack of third-party support, so they needed to be able to expand their capacity - in other words, they needed to be able to have more games in the pipe at once. Especially now with the DS requiring original titles (versus the port machine that is the GBA), Nintendo has to be putting out more new games per year than ever.

It's probably an ecomically derived decision as well - it's outsourcing, plain and simple. And I think that it's trending upward, not downward - there's been more outsourced Nintendo games than any other year before.

It's too bad though, I feel like it's really hurting their quality. With the exception of the Retro games, I don't feel like the 2nd party games have been living up to the Nintendo brand lately.

IceCold · « **Reply #28 on:** December 28, 2006, 08:01:25 PM »

Well, it did help their relations with Namco, Camelot, SEGA and Square-Enix, at least.. Plus, F-Zero GX more than makes up for the rest of the shortcomings.

Hocotate · « **Reply #29 on:** December 28, 2006, 09:49:54 PM »

True, F-Zero GX is pure gold for me. I have yet to find an arcade that has F-Zero AX though, but as soon as I find one that place will make a small fortune off of me. I have managed to find an arcade that has Mario Kart recently, but its a ways drive (worth it though!!).

Anyway getting back on topic, I never really had a problem with Nintendo outsourcing their franchises. I like Donkey Konga, F-Zero, and Minish cap was a worth while game too imo. And Capcom supporting the PSP is very odd... but somehow not surprising.

All I want from Capcom is Street Fighter 4... I don't care what console (as long as its an arcade release), heck at this point I don't even care if its good, I just want it. >< Too bad it won't happen... at least not at the rate Capcom has been going.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #30 on:** December 29, 2006, 01:16:04 AM »

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technically we got Street Fighter II: The World Warrior on Wii's Virtual Console.....

I hope someone gets an interview with one of the Capcom bigwigs and asks them to explain in their own words why they are supporting Sony and Microsoft so much.

So why the heck did Nintendo let Capcom make Minish Cap for?

Actually I think this might be one of the reasons why Nintendo themselves is making Phantom Hourglass. Capcom was allowed to make both Oracle games, the Link to the Past Remake/Four Swords game and then Minish Cap. But now Nintendo is suddenly making the next handheld Zelda again after they allowed Capcom to do it for several years.

Anyone else think Nintendo got fed up with Capcom screwing them over and finally said "**** You!" and that's why EAD is making Phantom Hourglass instead of Flagship?

I hope so, Capcom is stoopid and doesn't realize that most people aren't going to shell out 600 to play their games. they aren't like square-enix or nintendo. capcom doesn't rank up there with best overall games, they slipped several years ago and haven't recovered. Their crap to great ratio leans heavily to crap.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 29, 2006, 04:47:43 AM »

Svevan hit it nail on I think but everyone seams to forget Cacpom aslo makes Onimusha which was a HUGE sucess on PS2 and they seam to make MORE money on Playstation than anything else.

Also Capcom is also doing what Activision did with GC, by being the only major developer besides Ubi and EA Activision set them selves up where it was pretty much just thier games or Nintendos to chose from and that insured they had better sucess after everyone else adandoned teh cube, Cacpom is doing the same thing here, by making the most PSP and PS3 games they are pretty much saying its them or nothing so the people who do get those systems have a bigger reason to get the games. Plus Capcom still makes other games besides megaman, re and vj, that sell pretty good on the sony systems but crap on Nintendo systems.

However I am not going to bring up the idiotic comments how now all of the sudden Oracle sucked when back when it came out it was praised as bringing new life to Zelda handhelds, cuz I dont feel like stirring up any trouble.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #32 on:** December 29, 2006, 05:20:57 AM »

Oracle of Ages was great except for the Goron Dance part, that alone keeps me from playing the game again. Oracle of Seasons was great throughout.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #33 on:** December 29, 2006, 05:28:58 AM »

I wonder if Capcom's support of the PSP is like Tecmo's support of the Xbox. Tecmo stood out on the Xbox as the top Japanese developer on the console. Thus games like DOA and Ninja Gaiden became higher profile titles because there wasn't much else like them. Capcom probably doesn't have to do much to support the PSP. They're mostly just giving it ports and remakes. But they're like the top developer on the PSP. Anyone who owns a PSP is going to buy Capcom games because of a lack of much else. The PSP isn't selling too hot but it did initially sell some copies so there is a userbase there, even if it isn't growing much. Capcom can probably do okay supporting this userbase for now and then can work on the DS or Wii at any time.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #34 on:** December 29, 2006, 05:34:04 AM »

Capcom is the ice cream vendor on a hot day to thirsty children. Same old ice cream, but the market doesn't really care, and the vendor doesn't really care cuz it's easily sucking business from the impulses of the the children who want the quick fix.

Hocotate · « **Reply #35 on:** December 29, 2006, 04:00:15 PM »

GamersReport is saying that both God Hand and Okami will be ported to the XBox360. Okami ported to XC and not Wii!? Capcome truely has lost it... if this is true that is.

IceCold · « **Reply #36 on:** December 29, 2006, 08:49:29 PM »

I thought that since Clover disbanded it would be the last we would hear of Okami. It is only a port, though.. still, if it's only for the 360 and not the Wii, they really do hate money..

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #37 on:** December 30, 2006, 12:47:50 AM »

"DS - 10"

Resident Evil 2 Dog Saliva
Resident Evil 3 Dressed Skank
Resident Evil 1 Deadly Silence Remake Deadly Serious
Phoenix Wright Soccer
Stock Trader Shun
Stock Trader Shun Soccer
Street Fighter 2 Touching Emotion Battle (forced touch screen control)
Resident Evil Dynamite Soccer
P.N.03 Shake That Ass (music game played much like Elite Beat Agents)
Resident Evil Gun Survivor Soccer

KDR_11k · « **Reply #38 on:** December 30, 2006, 07:45:07 PM »

I'm guessing most of their PS2 and PSP releases are the same games.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #39 on:** December 31, 2006, 02:50:28 AM »

Just chiming in to say that Minish Cap was awesome, and is the best game on the GBA. The oracle games were also fantastic. Capcom's Zelda games always had a different vibe to them not felt in Ninty's own titles; it wasn't necessarily better, but it was definitely refreshing.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #40 on:** December 31, 2006, 11:54:41 AM »

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Just chiming in to say that Minish Cap was awesome, and is the best game on the GBA. The oracle games were also fantastic. Capcom's Zelda games always had a different vibe to them not felt in Ninty's own titles; it wasn't necessarily better, but it was definitely refreshing.

Also known as formulaic and generic.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #41 on:** December 31, 2006, 12:22:18 PM »

KDR_11k · « **Reply #42 on:** December 31, 2006, 09:27:25 PM »

It's not generic. Something with a story that reads like bad fan fiction is never generic, it's sub-par.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #43 on:** January 02, 2007, 04:30:45 AM »

LOL, I didn't start it this time! Minish Cap is very good, it's just not up to Nintendo's standards as far as I'm concerned.

Back to how stupid Capcom is - I'm not surprised that the company is slow on the Wii uptake, but porting Okami to 360 and not Wii would be ultra-stupid.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #44 on:** January 02, 2007, 05:22:09 AM »

Dunno, stupid retconning fanservice-happy storylines do seem to be Nintendo's standards.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #45 on:** January 02, 2007, 06:49:16 AM »

I'd buy Okami on the Wii in a heartbeat. 360? Notsomuch...

couchmonkey · « **Reply #46 on:** January 03, 2007, 03:08:04 AM »

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Dunno, stupid retconning fanservice-happy storylines do seem to be Nintendo's standards.

Not up to Nintendo's Zelda standards? Or are you dumping on Capcom's job of Minish Cap for no reason?

JonLeung · « **Reply #47 on:** January 03, 2007, 03:40:59 AM »

I though Flagship (who did a couple Kirby games) did Minish Cap, as well as the Oracle games. Since it's made up of Capcom people they're better known as Capcom so they were published as such. Something like that, look it up on Wikipedia, where I'm sure I read it. It's confusing when the same people are in the same company but under different names (or legal entities or whatever) and it's too easy to assume that a company or developer or publisher is made of the same people as it was ten years ago when maybe they could be totally different. Or they could be different teams...in Konami's case there isn't a single guy responsible for all of Metal Gear, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Dance Dance Revolution, Goemon, etc. In Capcom's case you can't grab the Mega Man guy and ask him how the next Resident Evil or Phoenix Wright is coming along.

Maybe some of these guys would like to see certain games for certain platforms but the ultimate decision comes down to one guy or a particular part of the company and you can't blame the company as a whole or the actual developers if they don't.

(On a side note I always thought it was weird that some well-known developers have names similar to their company's name. Miyamoto and Nintendo are both eight-letter multi-syllabic names that end with O, Mikami and Capcom are both six letters and have "COM" pronounced in their name, and Kojima and Konami are both six letters and are almost anagrams of each other...)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #48 on:** January 03, 2007, 04:27:55 AM »

I'm saying Minish Cap has such a stupid storyline and includes characters and locations from OOT for no reason and that's stupid. However, Nintendo tends to do the same. WTF is Tingle doing in Wind Waker?

JonLeung · « **Reply #49 on:** January 03, 2007, 05:36:38 AM »

Minish Cap may not be the best Zelda game of all time, but it's certainly an above-average GBA game and I don't think it tarnishes the Zelda series at all.

Perhaps people that aren't keen on it probably had too-high expectations for it, since The Legend Of Zelda is often cited as the greatest game series of all time, even though Minish Cap came out with much less fanfare than most other Zelda games. I'm guessing the same people probably also don't like Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures (besides the fact that they fit in the same continuity of sorts).

There are the CD-i haters, the Four Swords haters, and the Majora's Mask haters (shame on you, MM haters!)...just about everything else is loved. Or, sorry, there are some Zelda II: Adventure Of Link haters. And the picky-about-a-particular-version-of-Twilight Princess type of people. And how could I forget the shallow people who still refuse to play Wind Waker? I guess you can't please everyone when your series becomes such a hit that expectations run high for every one.

Back on topic, I wonder if Capcom/Flagship is still involved with Zelda? Do they still have the rights and/or plans for any more Zelda games? If they truly aren't well-received, and since Capcom seems to love the PSP more than the DS, maybe not.

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