Topic: life sucks

[segagamer12]

drugs kill and people die

guns kill and people die


I hate drugs and guns


stupid people. life sucks when you got stupid friends.  

[nitsu niflheim]

I hate bats because they might have rabies and if they bite your dog, your dog will turn into Cujo and keep you trapped in your car until you die.

[couchmonkey]

Man, that sounds harsh.  (On both accounts).

[nitsu niflheim]

I must say, I <3 GUNS.

Guns don't kill people, bullets do. lol

[segagamer12]

people get killed by guns cuz of drugs.

[Nick DiMola]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. A gun is simply an instrument which a person can use to kill.

[Smash_Brother]

Did you lose a friend, Rat?

Sorry for your loss. I've known people who lose friends to gang violence and you can't help but think about how pointless it all is whenever it happens.

[segagamer12]

not exaclty, but a friend ofmine is in the game and he is mixed up in stupid sh17 right now. Things get scry when drugs and guns come together.  

[Ceric]

yep

[matt oz]

When people complain about a costly war that has cost billions of dollars and thousands of lives, they should focus on the War on Drugs instead of the war in Iraq.  If most drugs were legal (marijuana especially), I think the world would be a better place.  Less crime, less gangs, better drugs, etc.  Trying to stop people from doing something they would do ANYWAY is just an exercise in futility.  Prohibition didn't work for alcohol.  Women had abortions before Roe v. Wade.  I also believe prostitution should be legal, by the way.  It's a victimless "crime."  Make the hos get some kind of license and pay taxes.

Yeah.

[Zach]

Wow matt, that was a little off topic, but I gotta agree with you (except Iraq also deserves a good amount of our attention).  I mean, people blame drugs for gang violence and killing, but people dont do that sort of insanity because of the nature of the drug, they do it because what the government has made it.  Making drugs illegal only brings them to the black market where the cost is hiked up, they are not regulated (often laced, which can be deadly), and they contribute gangwars because they are so hard to get, and thus valuable.

I do support age restriction though.  I like where cigarettes and alcohol are.  Illegal to sell to minors (so its the parents responsibility to know who their kids are hanging out with, and what they are doing) and the ill effects are well known, so that if a mature adult decides he/she wants to harm their body for the feeling the drug gives them, they have the right to.

Anyway, I just realized how political this is getting, sorry.  

Back on topic a little.  Rat, you have my condolences (sp?). I dont know what I would do if I had a friend in that whole scene.  

[Shift Key]

I have so much fury at those last 2 posts. I'll post later when I can be coherent with my rage.

[S-U-P-E-R]

dear livejournal

[ShyGuy]

Can we ban Shirley Manson and StarFox now?

[mantidor]

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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. A gun is simply an instrument which a person can use to kill.

I hate guns I can use my GC to kill someone too, the difference is that a gun has only that purpose, its created specifically to kill another human. Yeah I know there is hunting, but I have the hunch the kind of guns we are talking about here rarely if ever are used for hunting. Guns aren't just an instrument to kill, they are instruments to kill people easier, in other words, they encourage killing.


This is probably borderline against the "no politic threads" rule but I couldn't resist

[Nick DiMola]

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Originally posted by: matt oz
When people complain about a costly war that has cost billions of dollars and thousands of lives, they should focus on the War on Drugs instead of the war in Iraq.  If most drugs were legal (marijuana especially), I think the world would be a better place.  Less crime, less gangs, better drugs, etc.  Trying to stop people from doing something they would do ANYWAY is just an exercise in futility.  Prohibition didn't work for alcohol.  Women had abortions before Roe v. Wade.  I also believe prostitution should be legal, by the way.  It's a victimless "crime."  Make the hos get some kind of license and pay taxes.

Yeah.

QFT. I've been saying the same for years.

[Zach]

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Originally posted by: Shift Key
I have so much fury at those last 2 posts. I'll post later when I can be coherent with my rage.

Sorry, I didnt mean to offend anyone, especially if you know someone who has been screwed up by drugs (ie, the phisical harm of taking them, or the violence that is associated with them.  

[Sir_Stabbalot]

Making any drug legal would end more lives then the current drug-related crime does. My uncle died a few years ago. He was a great guy, but got addicted to marijuana and then heroine. He spent every dollar he got on it and ruined his life. None of my family could get him to stop. He contracted AIDs and died a slow death.

I really miss him, and can hardly imagine the pain my grandmother, my mother and my other uncle went through as they watched him waste away.  

[Ian Sane]

I'm wishy-washy when it comes to drug legalization since I see pros and cons for both.

What I do want is consistency.  Here in BC pot is illegal, yet police rarely enforce it.  What the hell is that?  Either make it legal or enforce it.  What we have now is pot dealers not paying income tax.  So why does a law-abiding citizen like me have to pay tax to make an honest living while a pot dealer doesn't?  He's either a criminal or a law-abiding citizen.  Pick one.  Don't give him the benefits of both.  Plus while people around here have a rather relaxed attitude towards pot, since it is still illegal often it is laced with ecstacy to try to get unsuspecting buyers hooked on a harder drug.  By having a relaxed attitude towards illegal marijuana harder drugs are getting lumped in.  If pot was legal then I imagine there would be government restrictions on it and thus harder drugs couldn't be mixed with it.  So either make it legal and thus have rules to protect consumers and have dealers paying for a business licence and paying income tax and jumping through all the hoops the rest of us have to OR keep it illegal and enforce it because not enforcing laws is just unfair to everyone else.

[Athrun Zala]

Guns don't kill people, Jack Bauer kills people

[Zach]

Stabby, I feel sorry for your uncle, and your family, I really do.  What some drugs do to the body is absolutely horrible.  But the point is your uncle, and people like your uncle get drugs while they are illegal.  It doesnt matter what law enforcement does, drugs will always be accessable to anybody who wants them.  Go to any town with more than 1000 people in america, and every person thats been living in that town for a while will be able to tell you not only what part of town to go to, but the name of the street.   Not only that, but the people who sell these drugs on the street dont care about selling to minors, or selling drugs that may be unsafe (moreso than the drug itself), or if a drug is laced, they just care for the payoff.

All the "war" on drugs does is waste valuable recources when people will do drugs anyway, and this may sound harsh, but your uncle CHOSE to do those drugs, presumably as an adult.  If he was young when he started, then he would have had more trouble getting those drugs with a government enforced age limit.  Again, I feel do feel sorry for your uncle, even though I dont know him, or you.  Im not saying that the government embrace drugs, but regulations would end the violence that has to do with dealing, minimize drug use by minors, and make sure that the drug passes FDA standards.  I assume your Uncle contracted AIDS from a dirty needle (you say he was a heroine addict), that is exactly what regulation would prevent.

edit: gotta add, that in this situation I mention, people need to be well informed about the negative affects of these drugs.  One thing that really annoys me are the anti-drug campaigns that lie.  There are school programs already to inform kids about drugs though (if only our public school system wasnt in the cr@pper).

[ShyGuy]

Can we get a mod to lock this thread before it completely spirals into PHAIL?

[Sir_Stabbalot]

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Originally posted by: Zach
Stabby, I feel sorry for your uncle, and your family, I really do.  What some drugs do to the body is absolutely horrible.  But the point is your uncle, and people like your uncle get drugs while they are illegal.  It doesnt matter what law enforcement does, drugs will always be accessable to anybody who wants them.  Go to any town with more than 1000 people in america, and every person thats been living in that town for a while will be able to tell you not only what part of town to go to, but the name of the street.   Not only that, but the people who sell these drugs on the street dont care about selling to minors, or selling drugs that may be unsafe (moreso than the drug itself), or if a drug is laced, they just care for the payoff.

All the "war" on drugs does is waste valuable recources when people will do drugs anyway, and this may sound harsh, but your uncle CHOSE to do those drugs, presumably as an adult.  If he was young when he started, then he would have had more trouble getting those drugs with a government enforced age limit.  Again, I feel do feel sorry for your uncle, even though I dont know him, or you.  Im not saying that the government embrace drugs, but regulations would end the violence that has to do with dealing, minimize drug use by minors, and make sure that the drug passes FDA standards.  I assume your Uncle contracted AIDS from a dirty needle (you say he was a heroine addict), that is exactly what regulation would prevent.

First off, thank you for the kind words.

True, the war on drugs can't be totally won, but it at least prevents more people from getting it. Around the time of the Opium Wars, the British Empire forced China to let them sell opium to the Chinese. The result was almost a total freeze in the Chinese economy, as almost everyone from merchant to peasant were doing nothing more then smoking Opium. Making a drug such as Marijuana totally legal in the US would probably have the same affect, as it commonly leads to other more dangerous drugs (not that Marijuana is safe to begin with). And I don't even want to think about the number of people who would end up driving while high. Making some drugs legal would not stop the dealers. They'd switch to more dangerous ones that were still illegal and probably be more violent because of reductions in their market.

Kids get adults to buy them beer, they could easily do the same with legal drugs. We can't very well enforce it with beer or cigarettes, how would we do it with drugs? There is no way you could successfully monitor it without spending even more then already spent on law enforcement, and the spread of AIDs would only increase due to more usage.

[segagamer12]

wow I didnt think it would turn into a debate. I was just venting sorryf or the toruble damn,.  

[18 Days]

No one is telling Rat to move out of the ghetto hoods with his homies and MCs?
Also

Legalise it