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Will Nintendo pull off another 30 for 30 in Japan sales this year and, if so, how many times?

Yes. 1 time.
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Yes. 2 times.
0 (0%)
Yes. 3 times.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 4 times.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 5 times.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 6 times.
0 (0%)
Yes. 7 times.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 8 times.
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Yes. 9 times.
2 (18.2%)
Ninten-domination! 10 times or more that the top 30 goes to Nintendo Software.
4 (36.4%)
No. It doesn't happen once this year. Sony plays spoiler.
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RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #1400 on: June 07, 2007, 07:48:22 PM »
i don't feel like going back through the posts right now. But does anyone know when the last time a PS3 game showed up in the top 50 was?  
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« Reply #1401 on: June 07, 2007, 08:10:49 PM »
I had to scroll back almost 2 whole months(would been 2 months if you waited a week) just to find this.

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« Reply #1402 on: June 07, 2007, 08:23:18 PM »
I'll admit, I was someone who didn't count PS3 out of the race yet, but it is looking like Sony has reached or is reaching a point of no return. Can you guy's name any console which has sold like PS3 (Heck any product for that matter) and put up a fight in the end?
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« Reply #1403 on: June 07, 2007, 09:22:48 PM »
Hmm... The Genesis.
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« Reply #1404 on: June 08, 2007, 05:05:53 AM »
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Hmm... The Genesis.


Really?  I thought the Genesis was always ahead of the SNES until the SNES finally caught up and surpassed it in the end.

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« Reply #1405 on: June 08, 2007, 05:13:16 AM »
Well, the Genesis actually sorta floundered in Japan, which is where I envision a comparison being made. The TurboGraFX-16 was actually more popular than the megadrive in Japan. The Genesis had strongholds in the USA and europe.
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« Reply #1406 on: June 08, 2007, 05:54:18 AM »
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Hmm... The Genesis.


Really?  I thought the Genesis was always ahead of the SNES until the SNES finally caught up and surpassed it in the end.
From what I remember, that is what happened on a WW status (mostly US and EUR), but SNES was always ahead in Japan. I think the same thing might happen with the Xbox vs GC battle too.

Sega killed off Genesis sales a little too quickly, with the release and non-support of the Sega-CD and 32x, then they tried to make up for it with the Saturn, but that failed horribly too.

MS killed off the production/sales of the XBox for the more financially favorable 360, and dropped all software support for the original Xbox in the process.

In both cases Nintendo still has systems being sold and software being bought and in the case of the GC it could still pull a SNES and make the come-from-behind victory, but I doubt it.

AS for the PS3.......well its failing in all 3 territories and is still being outsold by the PS2 and PSP everywhere. I don't there being a fix for that in the near or not so near future.  

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« Reply #1407 on: June 08, 2007, 07:40:55 AM »
Welp I just got done running the numbers.

You know how KDR_11k mentioned that the 360 numbers where on the rise?  Well this week Microsoft sold more than Golden Week for an increase in consoles sold for the second week in a row, a 8.56% increase over last week to boot, while the PS3 had a decrease from last week.  Though the PS3 is beating the PS2 for the year by 84,155 units.  I was surprised by that and had to double check my calculations.  Anyway I encourage all to look at the breakdown if you like numbers.  
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« Reply #1408 on: June 08, 2007, 08:08:12 AM »
by your calculations, if the 360 and the the PS3 were to continue at their current rate of increase/decrease how long until the 360 is selling more than the PS3?

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« Reply #1409 on: June 08, 2007, 08:22:30 AM »
Yea, I know VG Charts doesn't do exact numbers, but according to their data and graphs, the PS3 is doing at least as good as the PS2, for now. A successful November/December would push it above the PS2.

What good PS3 games are coming out before/around then, though?
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« Reply #1410 on: June 08, 2007, 08:33:09 AM »
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by your calculations, if the 360 and the the PS3 were to continue at their current rate of increase/decrease how long until the 360 is selling more than the PS3?


I'll have it sometime tomorrow.  I'll have to think about what the best approach would be to calculate that...
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« Reply #1411 on: June 08, 2007, 08:34:57 AM »
All things considered (price, games etc.), PS3 is doing pretty well. For a console with as many problems as PS3 currently has, I'm surprised people are still buying it. Normally, someone would see a $600 console and crap their pants, but I guess after crapping their pants, they decided to buy a PS3.

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« Reply #1412 on: June 08, 2007, 09:31:17 AM »
Ok... I have the numbers I think the method I'm using is correct.  Though times like these make me wish I still had a graphing calculator because it be a two sec type thing.  Anyway...

According to my calculations at this current rate the 360 could overtake the PS3 in ~39 weeks with the PS3 being at ~1,030,284 units and the 360 being at ~1,031,095.  Though I take those precise numbers with a grain of salt because in the last week the PS3 sold ~604 units, a little more than the GBA this week, and the 360 sold ~59,286 units, a little less than the Wii.

The 360 could post those kinds of number with some key games.  Its somewhat realistic.  Now on the other hand I really don't see the PS3 dropping to 604 units.  I just don't see that unless something drastic happens.  All in all though these numbers do indicate that in the long run the 360 still has a chance to surpass the PS3.

(Also Fun With Numbers has the numbers for whole companies as well now and per hour, minute, and second where applicable)  
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« Reply #1413 on: June 08, 2007, 10:16:57 AM »
Can't you use charts or something?
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« Reply #1414 on: June 08, 2007, 10:28:40 AM »
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Can't you use charts or something?

Not in this version.  Nope.  I don't know how to program that right at the moment.  At least well.  Its in my plans for the future though because I know it be much easier to read that way.
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« Reply #1415 on: June 08, 2007, 11:03:43 AM »
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All things considered (price, games etc.), PS3 is doing pretty well. For a console with as many problems as PS3 currently has, I'm surprised people are still buying it. Normally, someone would see a $600 console and crap their pants, but I guess after crapping their pants, they decided to buy a PS3.


Not as well as the XBox 360 though. I suspect the 360 will become the dominant next-gen console because for all that the PS3 is looking like a great piece of hardware (with some potentially sweet games in the future), it just isn't building enough steam.
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« Reply #1416 on: June 08, 2007, 11:27:58 AM »
Nah, the truth is that the 360 isn't doing all that well, either.  MS is having trouble selling all the extra's they've shipped, so the Core and Premium models have been almost at a standstill since January.

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« Reply #1417 on: June 08, 2007, 12:19:44 PM »
Well, that's because the XBox 360 is long overdue for a price drop (instead of the price increase that the Elite was). I anticipate very strong demand for the system when they drop the price $100... imagine a Core system at $200 (and Premium at $300)! Sure that's a total rip off because of the accessories you'd need, but MS would have a very powerful psychological lever to use then.

Edit to stay on topic: And how gangbusters would the Wii sell with a price drop of its own to $200 or $180?!?!? God I hope that Nintendo really manufactures a MEGATON of consoles for the holidays.
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« Reply #1418 on: June 08, 2007, 02:32:26 PM »
Wii Price drop would be a stupid move on Nintendo's part.  Probably the only company this gen that it be a stupid move for.
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« Reply #1419 on: June 08, 2007, 04:27:43 PM »
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All things considered (price, games etc.), PS3 is doing pretty well. For a console with as many problems as PS3 currently has, I'm surprised people are still buying it. Normally, someone would see a $600 console and crap their pants, but I guess after crapping their pants, they decided to buy a PS3.


Not as well as the XBox 360 though. I suspect the 360 will become the dominant next-gen console because for all that the PS3 is looking like a great piece of hardware (with some potentially sweet games in the future), it just isn't building enough steam.


Not sure how great of hardware the PS3 is, graphically it is about on the same level as Xbox 360, the only big difference in blu-ray. In regards to Adrock, that sounds like the Sony spin machine there, the PS3 is doing terrible even taking all things into consideration. You forgot one key element that is most likely contributing to a big chunk of the sales of the PS3 and that is it being the cheapest Blu-ray player on the market (Though that isn't the case anymore).
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« Reply #1420 on: June 08, 2007, 05:40:16 PM »
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In regards to Adrock, that sounds like the Sony spin machine there, the PS3 is doing terrible even taking all things into consideration. You forgot one key element that is most likely contributing to a big chunk of the sales of the PS3 and that is it being the cheapest Blu-ray player on the market (Though that isn't the case anymore).

A Sony rep would never say, "For a console with as many problems as PS3 currently has..." It just wouldn't happen so I don't know what you think I'm spinning. At $600, I'd expect far fewer people to have bought PS3 even with brand loyalty. And while I disagree that a "big chunk" of PS3 sales are from being a "cheap" Blu-Ray player, $600 is still a lot of money no matter what you're paying for. For the people who bought it play Blu-Ray movies, Sony still got a PS3 into their homes. That's the hardest part.

Yes, Microsoft and, especially, Nintendo are doing better. However, that's not really the point here. Doing well and doing well for a $600 console are completely different things. So, all things considered, yes, Sony could be doing a hell of a lot worse. Microsoft was pushing it with the premium 360. PS3's MSRP is almost insulting.

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« Reply #1421 on: June 08, 2007, 08:13:03 PM »
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In regards to Adrock, that sounds like the Sony spin machine there, the PS3 is doing terrible even taking all things into consideration. You forgot one key element that is most likely contributing to a big chunk of the sales of the PS3 and that is it being the cheapest Blu-ray player on the market (Though that isn't the case anymore).

A Sony rep would never say, "For a console with as many problems as PS3 currently has..." It just wouldn't happen so I don't know what you think I'm spinning. At $600, I'd expect far fewer people to have bought PS3 even with brand loyalty. And while I disagree that a "big chunk" of PS3 sales are from being a "cheap" Blu-Ray player, $600 is still a lot of money no matter what you're paying for. For the people who bought it play Blu-Ray movies, Sony still got a PS3 into their homes. That's the hardest part.

Yes, Microsoft and, especially, Nintendo are doing better. However, that's not really the point here. Doing well and doing well for a $600 console are completely different things. So, all things considered, yes, Sony could be doing a hell of a lot worse. Microsoft was pushing it with the premium 360. PS3's MSRP is almost insulting.


8-9 thousand a week in Japan is not doing well. And believe it or not Phil Harrison or whatever his name is said the exact same thing you said in an interview with EGM. The point is that you completely disregard the fact that the PS3 has been the cheapest Blu-Ray player on the market, and combined with the fact it plays video games along with the Sony name are big pluses, and I wonder if you bothered factoring that in to your spin that PS3 is doing good. PS3 is constantly dropping in sales and it is looking bleak in all territories. Let me ask you how many do you think would buy a PS3 for 600$? Do you have any figures to back up your opinion in regards to that? To me that seems extremely subjective, and a weak argument that is pure spin.

Heck while were at it let me make my completely opinionated argument and state that considering the overwhelming dominance PS2 had and the Sony brand name, that the PS3 sales are pitiful. See what I did there? Heck I could say that a device that sold 100 units was "good considering its price" no matter what the product is or how much it cost, it is completely subjective and a prime argument people use to spin things since there is nothing to back it up.

When a console is getting outsold by almost a 1:15 margin in its primary market with its games failing most of the time to get in the top 50, that is NOT good and it is spin to say otherwise, perhaps you  should be working for Sony? It isn't as bad here but it still doing bad, and a possible explanation is that the technophiles in the U.S. are getting it to play Blu-Ray movies made sweeter by the ability to play games, and even then that group is so small it is making only a small dent. Heck I believe a few weeks ago (Perhaps it is still true), Xbox 360 was still outselling PS3 by 2-1 and GBA was outselling PS3, that is not good when a system that is about dead is outselling yours (Though it did manage to outsell GameCube, so it did beat something!).

Heck all you need to do is go back to the launch of the PS3, there were usually 30+ thousand PS3s on sale the day it came out. Many people were buying it to sell, that in itself is not a good sign, and I wish there were exact numbers on how many were actually sold on ebay, I know it far outranked Xbox 360 or Wii.  The rapid price drop even showed there was far more supply on ebay than demand.
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RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #1422 on: June 09, 2007, 01:34:56 AM »
GP I think your reading to much into Adrock's comment.  Though for the record.

In Sony's home Territory (aka The only place we get consistent numbers.):
  • For the year the PSP is Sony's top seller selling more then the PS2 & 3 combined
  • Also for the year the PS3 sold more units then the PS2

    It is on a slight decline but I don't see that lasting.  I don't see a large  sudden up swing either.  Though with the lead it already has unless something drastic happen it will be Sony's #2 seller in Japan.  The rumor of a new PSP coming at the current price point could really spark PSP sales if it happens.  There is a market for the PSP it seems.  Also isn't the PS3 eventually suppose to be able to play PSP games on the big screen?  If the PSP jumps in sale such a function could push PS3's though the price would need to drop but that isn't happening until PSGimped gets released in all territories.

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    « Reply #1423 on: June 09, 2007, 10:49:26 AM »
    A market for PSPs and a market for PSP games are different things.
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