Topic: Sony's TGS speech for PS3

[GoldenPhoenix]

Lol I just realized this, but isn't it kind of a port of a port (or better yet a remake of a remake lol)? NGB was just an enhanced version of the original lol.  

[Caliban]

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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
I found IGN's hands on to be quite laughable for Resistance Fall of Man.

"That about wraps up what we saw of Resistance at this year's Tokyo Game Show. There wasn't a whole lot new for us to check out, unfortunately, but the game still looks fantastic, and that's really all that matters."

Yeah because grahics are all that matter.

I watched IGN's latest 720p vids for that same game, boooooooooooooooorrrrrriiing! It didn't even look that good, lol, or it could just be me that these "great graphics" aren't impressing me the least.

[Caliban]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
you also have to understand that gaming is not a life priority, it is a non-essential

HERESY!

LMAO! Indeed, you could say it is so, yet you are still a glitch in the matrix.

Note: I don't know how to aggregate quotes so I double posted, I apologize to the great Mods that be in this system.

[couchmonkey]

You guys are just jealous because Sony dropped the price of the core system and included HDMI support in it.

Seriously, I'd now take the core system over the fancy one, what do I need another 40 GB of disk space for?  Downloading PS1 and PS2 games?  I'll just by the originals!  Those two announcements were really good, if Sony's smart it will at least carry over the HDMI support to all regions.

Everything else that I've heard about the conference was garbage.  I especially liked when he complained about too many sequels and not enough innovation, it's like he copied it straight from Nintendo's 2001 GameCube press conference.

[Caliban]

Price drop is only for Japan...mwhuhahahahahahahahahaha.

[vudu]

I'm with couchmonkey on this--both of these announcements are very good for Sony.

Honestly, it probably doesn't affect Nintendo that much because they're using a different strategy.  However, if I were going to buy a non-Nintendo console, at these prices, I would totally pick the PS3 over the Xbox 360.  Microsoft should seriously consider a price drop in November.

Caliban - the price will almost certainly drop for the US core pack, too.  Otherwise, it'll be cheaper to import (even taking into account shipping).

The real question becomes if the $600 version is also going to drop in price.  Last I checked, Sony was planning on shipping out 80% fancy and 20% non-fancy consoles.  A price drop doesn't do much good if you can't buy the non-fancy version.

[Kairon]

If the U.S. PS3 drops price...

I think that MS will also have to drop their price. They COULD stand their ground since the X360's graphics are really just as nice as the PS3s and because they really have a strong software line-up in the U.S., but they probably don't have enough sales momentum (only ~6 million 360's sold worldwide so far, prob only 3 - 3.5 mill in U.S., a wasted one year lead) to risk it.

And if that all goes down this fall, would that draw Nintendo into the price war? Certainly, Nintendo is ready for such an event, and they could easily drop the Wii 50 bucks, or release a "core" package without Wii Sports and go for the bundle and non-bundled 2 SKU route. But will they? Should they? And what does that mean for their image, and for the Wii's image?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Ceric]

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Originally posted by: Caliban
Price drop is only for Japan...mwhuhahahahahahahahahaha.

And raised everywhere else to compensate.

Kairon:  The answer is no.

On the PS2 dominating this gen and how the PS3 doesn't seem to have moment.  Well the PSX had gotten a good ball of moment rolling on it and then they released the PS2 with only competition being a rather defaced Sega.  At that time it had enough moment going to get it into a lot of peoples homes before the New comer XBox came out and the bad Decisions proned Gamecube, :heart: you Cube, so it was pretty much intrenched by that point.  During the generation PS2 started going on a decline in a way.  People where getting less satisfied with Sony and MS was starting to pick up shares.  Nintendo did a little but well.. Go back to the bad decisions.  The only problem was it was so late that it wouldn't help the competitors until now.  MS has a pretty stout fan section now.  There are people who really love there XBox/360.  That group is for the most part separate from the diehard Nintendo group.  Now don't get me wrong those two groups are friendly from what I can tell.   This started to fracture the Sony core group more.  With all the things they've done to shoot themselves in the foot over and again with the PS3 launch.  Faith they don't have.

I guess to sum it up.  When the PSP was launched I think Sony was on a decline in true fans.  Also I've heard that MS has really stepped up it's game with development tools this time around.  Nintendo well... You've had 4 years to figure it out and their only extending it.  While Sony on the other hand it seems to be an afterthought.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: vudu
I'm with couchmonkey on this--both of these announcements are very good for Sony.

Honestly, it probably doesn't affect Nintendo that much because they're using a different strategy.  However, if I were going to buy a non-Nintendo console, at these prices, I would totally pick the PS3 over the Xbox 360.  Microsoft should seriously consider a price drop in November.

Caliban - the price will almost certainly drop for the US core pack, too.  Otherwise, it'll be cheaper to import (even taking into account shipping).

The real question becomes if the $600 version is also going to drop in price.  Last I checked, Sony was planning on shipping out 80% fancy and 20% non-fancy consoles.  A price drop doesn't do much good if you can't buy the non-fancy version.

Though the HDMI being in the tard pack is a good thing, I still think you should be concerned quite a bit over PS3. It is quite obvious that Sony's focus is no longer games, but instead they are focused upon what all their system can do. That should be bothering you quite a bit if you are a gamer, that games were basically relegated to "Oh yeah it plays games too" status during the keynote. Sony is really pushing that PS3 as a computer, and not a game system, which makes me hope more than ever before that they they get a big bloody nose this time around. They are arrogant, and do not have the well being of the gaming industry in mind, but instead want to shove their buggy bluray player down everyone's throat.

[Caliban]

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Originally posted by: vudu
Caliban - the price will almost certainly drop for the US core pack, too.  Otherwise, it'll be cheaper to import (even taking into account shipping).

Hahaha, read this: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/tgs06-ken-kutaragi-cold-chills-chats-202510.php

Heck I will even quote: "Kutaragi also pretty much confirmed that we won't be seeing a comparative price drop in other territories. According to Ken, the Japanese pricing changes were merely an adjustment to keep the price inline with the market. He argued that the misconception that 1 dollar equals 1 euro equals 100 yen is not a fair comparison."

[GoldenPhoenix]

Lol that is great, not only that but watch there be a high failure rate for PS3s, that would definately be the icing on the cake and I will do nothing but laugh at the individuals who bought one. If you mess with a loaded gun like Sony, you deserve to get burned.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

the gun was a flame thrower?

[Kairon]

No, the PS3 was a George Foreman Grill.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
the gun was a flame thrower?

Yep, the PS3 is being presented as a multimedia device and it also can be used as a flame thrower.

[GoldenPhoenix]

What I find odd about the Japanese price drop is that they are doing it when there will only be 100,000 units at launch. Unless Sony has gotten stupider (I would not put it past them) they must have felt it would struggle to sell the 100,000 units. Sony is already losing a ton of money on PS3 and to lose alot more by this price drop shows me they are really worried about something, so I would not chalk this up to "good news".

[Kairon]

Yeah, that seems very strange to me. Maybe they're doing it to "appease" the home front. They prob don't want Japanese consumer opinion to turn against them.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Yeah, that seems very strange to me. Maybe they're doing it to "appease" the home front. They prob don't want Japanese consumer opinion to turn against them.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Perhaps, either way though it indicates they are concerned about SOMETHING, just what that something is I don't know.  If the development costs for a PS3 are as high as projected, this could end up biting Sony big time later down the line. But we'll see, as of right now it does look like it could have been a move of desparation.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

They're trying to get as much hardware into consumers' hands as possible, in hopes of driving software AND LAFFO BLU RAY MOVIES sales.

They definitely know price was/is an issue with system adoption this time around.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Yeah but how are you going to get hardware in the hands of consumers with only 100,000 at launch? You can't sell what you don't have! I would have bet on it selling out at 600$, but now I'm not so sure with the descision to drop the price.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

That's thinking too far into it.  Sony probably saw there was a legitimate problem trying to sell all 100,000 in the FIRST PLACE.

[IceCold]

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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
What I find odd about the Japanese price drop is that they are doing it when there will only be 100,000 units at launch. Unless Sony has gotten stupider (I would not put it past them) they must have felt it would struggle to sell the 100,000 units.

Very good point. The arrogance shown by Sony isn't being backed up. Surely a brand new PlayStation console will sell a measly 100K units in Japan on launch week, right? They have no reason to think otherwise - remember, these are the same people that said "The PS3 will sell out at launch even if it doesn't have any games!" With an even lower than expected shipment, it should be safe to assume that they will get rid of the consoles very quickly. Then why the price drop? Maybe when more shipments come in and sales start slowing down, it would be a better decision. This seems really drastic (I think it's the equivalent of a $110 US price drop, and the HDMI cable is included).. Right now, Sony could use all the money they can get their hands on.

Although, maybe this is to drive up software sales, like Pro said, except not by getting more hardware into the market, but by giving consumers extra money to spend. If the early adopters had set aside a certain amount of money for launch, they might use the extra for more games. And heaven knows Sony needs a good software tie-in ratio, especially with the ridiculous price and the multimedia focus..

[Kairon]

Either way, making steps to reconcile with reality should be only helpful for Sony.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

And therefore it all must stop.