Topic: TRSTS Sales Thread

[akdaman1]

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Originally posted by: Berny
Really? It's best EVER? Like ever this month?

Well if they aren't real, I will MAKE them real. How you ask? I have my methods....

Berny is planning on buying a million gamecubes...how you ask ? Well he supposdley has some get rich fast scheme going on .

[WesDawg]

It makes me sad to see Madden sell so much too, but I usually just keep it to meself and quietly hate people from afar. Today I'll whine though. I do get pissed when Tiger Woods gets crazy great reviews for adding a stupid dress up feature and almost no new gameplay. And also, there's a big difference between a new version of Mario or Doom coming out every 3-5 years and the yearly ritual that comes out known as Madden. Face it, the main reason people buy the new edition of Madden is because it has updated stats and "better" graphics, and because it has a new number stamped on the front. You might not be that guy, but that's what drives the majority of its sales. That's what pisses me off. It caters to all the idiots who have to have the newest thing out there in the gaming world.

Back on topic, Go Nintendo!

[Darc Requiem]

Wow, I hope those numbers are true. Not only would that prove the continued momentum of Gamecube sales to those ever stupid analyst. It also would show that the GC has halved the X-box's US lead in just 2 months. If those numbers prove true the X-Box would be sporting 6.7 million to 6 million lead over GC instead of the 5.8 million to 4.5 million lead from just a couple of months back. Go Nintendo !!!!

Darc Requiem

[akdaman1]

I agree with WesDawg but Im not gonna say anything but 4 mario games were released in 2 months ...thats even worse then Madden.

[Mario]

GCN 1 MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo $25,731,300 - 527,742
PS2 2 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts $20,463,280 - 420,313
PS2 3 FINAL FANTASY X-2 Square Enix $19,986,300 - 402,973
XBX 4 GRAND THEFT AUTO PACK Take-Two Interactive $19,354,530 - 391,315
PS2 5 SOCOM II: NAVY SEALS Sony $18,733,560 - 380,182
PS2 6 NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND Electronic Arts $18,276,070 - 370,450
PS2 7 TRUE CRIME TREETS LA Activision $17,361,080 - 354,448
PS2 8 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision $17,139,500 - 359,924

Bam. For some reason only the top 8 have been released for now... but there you go, Mario Kart is number one

[Berny]

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Originally posted by: akdaman1


Berny is planning on buying a million gamecubes...how you ask ? Well he supposdley has some get rich fast scheme going on .

Actually I was planning on sneaking into the office building where they make up....er...calculate these numbers and scribble in the number fourty bajillion next to the gameube and 2 by the XBox. Then they will assume its a typo and ad 30 zero's to the XBox. But, 40 bajillion is still bigger than 2*10^30. Well, it is in my math book.

Oh and those new numbers are FANtastic. I mean, I naturally expected Mario Kart to sell well. There weren't any quality games released near it. *notices FF, and GTA* AH HA HA! It's a dream come true. Mario put those games in their place.

Wow, this is as close as I have ever come to a full out fanboy rant.  

[RedTide]

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Originally posted by: Mario
GCN 1 MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo $25,731,300 - 527,742

PS2 2 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts $20,463,280 - 420,313

PS2 7 TRUE CRIME TREETS LA Activision $17,361,080 - 354,448

Of the 3 of these games, Mario Kart is the only one people haven't traded in yet in large amounts at the eb i work at. Mario Party also seems to be a big seller since Thanksgiving weekend, and Mario Kart has continued on strong as well.

[Mario]

Overall:

1 GCN MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo
2 PS2 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts
3 PS2 FINAL FANTASY X-2 Square Enix
4 XBX GRAND THEFT AUTO PACK Take Two Interactive
5 PS2 SOCOM II: NAVY SEALS Sony
6 PS2 NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND Electronic Arts
7 PS2 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision
8 PS2 TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA Activision
9 GBA MARIO BROS 3: MARIO 4 Nintendo
10 PS2 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts


Top 10 Selling Games for GameCube for November 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo 25,731,300 $ 527,742
2 MARIO PARTY 5 Nintendo 10,513,050 $ 213,495
3 YU-GI-OH! FALSEBOUND Konami 3,796,675 $ 95,891
4 LORD RING:RETURN KING Electronic Arts 3,784,515 $ 76,841
5 KIRBY AIR RIDE Nintendo 3,426,500 $ 69,311
6 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision 3,392,970 $ 69,290
7 SW :ROGUE SQUADRON III LucasArts Entertainment 2,893,335 $ 59,851
8 TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA Activision 2,492,181 $ 50,435
9 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE Nintendo 2,314,935 $ 83,056
10 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts 2,208,762 $ 44,859

Top 10 Selling Games for GBA for November 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 MARIO BROS 3 : MARIO 4 Nintendo 9,344,474 $ 327,217
2 YU-GI-OH! SACRED CARD Konami 5,701,704 $ 191,011
3 MARIO & LUIGI SAGA Nintendo 3,954,206 $ 135,675
4 POKEMON RUBY Nintendo 2,888,368 $ 92,784
5 SPONGEBOB: BATTLE THQ 2,729,023 $ 96,070
6 DISNEY'S FINDING NEMO THQ 2,606,065 $ 88,386
7 POKEMON SAPPHIRE Nintendo 2,538,562 $ 80,179
8 FIRE EMBLEM Nintendo 2,333,068 $ 75,748
9 NAMCO MUSEUM Namco 2,193,388 $ 190,266
10 POKEMON PINBALL : R&S Nintendo 1,920,794 $ 61,809

Oh, and if those hardware figures are fake, then these

PS2 832,000
GCN 748,800
Xbox 491,400

Are the real ones. But... they could also be fake and the other ones could be real.

[Berny]

lol. Glad we are still in the dark on the hardware sales numbers.

Oh thank God. Two Nintendo games beat out the Lord of the Rings unlike MP's defeat by the previous installment.  

[akdaman1]

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Originally posted by: Mario
Overall:

1 GCN MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo
2 PS2 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts
3 PS2 FINAL FANTASY X-2 Square Enix
4 XBX GRAND THEFT AUTO PACK Take Two Interactive
5 PS2 SOCOM II: NAVY SEALS Sony
6 PS2 NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND Electronic Arts
7 PS2 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision
8 PS2 TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA Activision
9 GBA MARIO BROS 3: MARIO 4 Nintendo
10 PS2 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts


Top 10 Selling Games for GameCube for November 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo 25,731,300 $ 527,742
2 MARIO PARTY 5 Nintendo 10,513,050 $ 213,495
3 YU-GI-OH! FALSEBOUND Konami 3,796,675 $ 95,891
4 LORD RING:RETURN KING Electronic Arts 3,784,515 $ 76,841
5 KIRBY AIR RIDE Nintendo 3,426,500 $ 69,311
6 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision 3,392,970 $ 69,290
7 SW :ROGUE SQUADRON III LucasArts Entertainment 2,893,335 $ 59,851
8 TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA Activision 2,492,181 $ 50,435
9 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE Nintendo 2,314,935 $ 83,056
10 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts 2,208,762 $ 44,859

Top 10 Selling Games for GBA for November 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 MARIO BROS 3 : MARIO 4 Nintendo 9,344,474 $ 327,217
2 YU-GI-OH! SACRED CARD Konami 5,701,704 $ 191,011
3 MARIO & LUIGI SAGA Nintendo 3,954,206 $ 135,675
4 POKEMON RUBY Nintendo 2,888,368 $ 92,784
5 SPONGEBOB: BATTLE THQ 2,729,023 $ 96,070
6 DISNEY'S FINDING NEMO THQ 2,606,065 $ 88,386
7 POKEMON SAPPHIRE Nintendo 2,538,562 $ 80,179
8 FIRE EMBLEM Nintendo 2,333,068 $ 75,748
9 NAMCO MUSEUM Namco 2,193,388 $ 190,266
10 POKEMON PINBALL : R&S Nintendo 1,920,794 $ 61,809

Oh, and if those hardware figures are fake, then these

PS2 832,000
GCN 748,800
Xbox 491,400

Are the real ones. But... they could also be fake and the other ones could be real.

Those numbers are good. When was Fire Emblem released ? Cause it deserves better numbers than that.

Also...how did Viewtiful Joe do ?

[jalman64]

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Originally posted by: WesDawg
It makes me sad to see Madden sell so much too, but I usually just keep it to meself and quietly hate people from afar. Today I'll whine though. I do get pissed when Tiger Woods gets crazy great reviews for adding a stupid dress up feature and almost no new gameplay. And also, there's a big difference between a new version of Mario or Doom coming out every 3-5 years and the yearly ritual that comes out known as Madden. Face it, the main reason people buy the new edition of Madden is because it has updated stats and "better" graphics, and because it has a new number stamped on the front. You might not be that guy, but that's what drives the majority of its sales. That's what pisses me off. It caters to all the idiots who have to have the newest thing out there in the gaming world.

Back on topic, Go Nintendo!

Although I keep to myself when someone makes the usual "sports games just update their rosters, and voila, NEW game" argument, I believe that these game developers would probably make even better games by publishing every other year.  Economics would prevent that from happening positively though.

WesDawg, have you actually played Madden '04?  Part of the attraction this year is the new Owner mode, part of it is the new Playmaker control, and maybe, maybe part of it is the create-a-playbook feature.  There are also subtle things like the camera reacting to playaction plays and such.  No, I didn't buy it; I rented it.  I have Madden '02 PC and while they may have the same "shell," they play with a different flow.  Madden 2004 seems to play faster (not just the framerate) than 2002.  This "barely new updates, thus new game" argument is pretty tired in general; would these people make a similar argument of certain pieces of software in general?

In other news: MKD went gold!!!!! Yee-haw!

[Mario]

December software sales.

Titl Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
PS2 1 NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND Electronic Arts $54,549,890 1,120,576
PS2 2 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts $38,025,800 784,347
PS2 3 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision $32,297,470 707,522
PS2 4 DRAGONBALL Z:BUDOKAI2 Atari $32,296,350 649,708
PS2 5 TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA Activision $29,271,920 607,315
PS2 6 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts $28,616,420 587,360
PS2 7 FINAL FANTASY X-2 Square Enix $27,405,140 554,300
PS2 8 SOCOM II: NAVY SEALS Sony $23,556,760 477,257
PS2 9 LORD RING:RETURN KING Electronic Arts $22,096,420 446,490
PS2 10 NBA LIVE 2004 Electronic Arts $19,005,970 390,144

Titl Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
XBX 1 GRAND THEFT AUTO PACK Take-Two Interactive $19,872,880 402,201
XBX 2 NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND Electronic Arts $15,299,260 308,989
XBX 3 T. CLANCY'S RAINBOW 3 Ubi Soft $11,294,200 232,232
XBX 4 HALO Microsoft $9,876,348 338,712
XBX 5 TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA Activision $9,742,603 206,906
XBX 6 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts $8,981,349 182,148
XBX 7 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts $8,627,625 178,516
XBX 8 LORD RING:RETURN KING Electronic Arts $8,587,972 176,762
XBX 9 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision $8,015,302 173,119
XBX 10 PROJECT GOTHAM 2 Microsoft $7,659,285 158,151

Titl Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
GCN 1 MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo $36,232,280 729,797
GCN 2 MARIO PARTY 5 Nintendo $16,029,730 329,331
GCN 3 LORD RING:RETURN KING Electronic Arts $7,103,540 143,397
GCN 4 NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND Electronic Arts $6,586,333 133,134
GCN 5 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision $6,539,699 142,434
GCN 6 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE Nintendo $6,350,120 215,340
GCN 7 YU-GI-OH! FALSEBOUND Konami $5,281,479 133,553
GCN 8 KIRBY AIR RIDE Nintendo $4,871,833 98,983
GCN 9 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts $4,699,136 95,532
GCN 10 SIMPSONS: HIT & RUN Vivendi Universal $4,664,722 93,886

Titl Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
GBA 1 MARIO & LUIGI SAGA Nintendo $12,668,060 426,594
GBA 2 MARIO BROS 3: MARIO 4 Nintendo $10,077,220 333,971
GBA 3 YU-GI-OH! SACRED CARD Konami $8,246,533 279,213
GBA 4 SPONGEBOB: BATTLE THQ $7,510,482 265,340
GBA 5 POKEMON RUBY Nintendo $7,192,087 227,652
GBA 6 DRAGONBALL Z:TAIKETSU Atari $6,341,983 222,496
GBA 7 POKEMON SAPPHIRE Nintendo $6,109,894 188,616
GBA 8 DISNEY'S FINDING NEMO THQ $5,750,815 189,194
GBA 9 DONKEY KONG COUNTRY Nintendo $4,842,792 160,838
GBA 10 SUPER MARIO ADVANCE 2 Nintendo $4,137,547 131,856  

[AMac2002]

Ah, I was just about to chime in with those ones. Wow, NFS sold reaaaally well. I don't know where you got those other numbers, from before, but I didn't think they were real.  Oh, and the hardware sales I saw were this:

GBA-SP: 2,260,000
PS2: 1,940,000
GC: 1,160,000
XBox: 1,080,000
N-Gage: 15,000

[kusanagi]

mind posting where you got the total hardware sales number?  Someone posted Xbox coming in 2nd (for hardware consoles) for December on another board.

[nolimit19]

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Originally posted by: GaimeGuy
It saddens me to no end how  Madden  sells so many copies.

dude madden is great. i would go outside to play football too, but since there are rarely 12 guys willling to play, i hardly ever get the chance. plus even when you do play, you cant play all out because everyone will get hurt. madden is awesome. it has unlimited replay value, and i dont think that many people actually buy it every year. i have actually purchased it 5 times out of the last 7 years, but i usually get them after they go down in price. and they do change a lot every year i have gotten them.

[Deguello]

The problem with Madden is despite the (lack of) changes in edition yearly edition, you are still playing the same game of football.  I don't care if they instituted a new Owner/Franchise/Spectator/Hot Dog Vendor Mode... all they are are shades of the same boring ass game of digital football that was made in Madden 2000.    Thee really isn't much left for the series to do.

[thecubedcanuck]

Deguello

" The problem with Madden is despite the (lack of) changes in edition yearly edition, you are still playing the same game of football. I don't care if they instituted a new Owner/Franchise/Spectator/Hot Dog Vendor Mode... all they are are shades of the same boring ass game of digital football that was made in Madden 2000. Thee really isn't much left for the series to do."

How can someone who is suppose to be a writer say something so biased and ignorant?
The 2004 game is much differant from the 2003 version, the playmaker feature being the biggest, most signifigant advancement.  You are obviously someone who isnt a fan of the real game and misses the subtleties of the Madden series, simple writing off the games as the same thing every year. For someone who is a writer, this kind of reply is unacceptable and clearly shows your biases towards anything non nintendo. Just because you dont appreciate something, doesnt make it bad.

[nolimit19]

yea football is hands down the best sport. it has everything. there are a lot more things they could do with madden. i could name them off, but i cant think of any right now. i can understand why people wouldnt like madden. if you dont love football, i wouldnt expect you to. if you love videogames and football....you HAVE to love madden.

[Kyosho]

Well, sports in general don't really change much except for rosters and teams.  I would not mind shelling 50$ every year for the updated version of a sports game.  What would be even better is if you can go online and download new content for the current game that updates it without having to buy a whole new game.  

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Ping-Pong is the best sport, as the Ping-Pong Club anime has shown...

And Hot Dog Vendor mode would make a great class/position in a MMO football title where every athlete and spectator is a single online player.  Imagine.  I do.

[Deguello]

Alright heated discussion.

"How can someone who is suppose to be a writer say something so biased and ignorant?"

Biased?  Yeah.  Everybody's biased.  Ignorant?  I think not.  In Madden 2001, you play a game of virtual football.  In Madden 2004, you play a game of virtual football.  It doesn't change much.  It's still football.  More or less, I am correct.

"The 2004 game is much differant from the 2003 version, the playmaker feature being the biggest, most signifigant advancement."

Much different?  I reckon it's still football.  I'm sure I still run plays against a defense to get a ball into an end zone.  And when they have the ball, it's time for me to defend.  I've done all this before.

"You are obviously someone who isnt a fan of the real game and misses the subtleties of the Madden series, simple writing off the games as the same thing every year."

Yup.  If I don't like playing virtual football, then I MUST NOT LIKE PLAYING FOOTBALL IN REAL LIFE, huh?  What faulty logic.  Funny you didn't talk about the Owner mode, because it sucks.  And the Playmaker stuff doesn't really affect a damn thing.  It's more of an audible call anyway.  Yeah sure you can tell your blockers to go somewhere but it's still useless.

"For someone who is a writer, this kind of reply is unacceptable and clearly shows your biases towards anything non nintendo."

Point out where I said anything about Nintendo.  Way to jump to conclusions.  2 for 2 on faulty logic, sir.

[nolimit19]

people who hate on madden and sports games are usually little nintendo fangirls that are too weak to play sports in real life, so they dont appriciate the video games. so he just made the same assumption about you. dont take it personal.....unless you fit that description.  

[thecubedcanuck]

" people who hate on madden and sports games are usually little nintendo fangirls that are too weak to play sports in real life,"

I wouldnt go that far.

"Biased? Yeah. Everybody's biased. Ignorant? I think not. In Madden 2001, you play a game of virtual football. In Madden 2004, you play a game of virtual football. It doesn't change much. It's still football. More or less, I am correct."

c'mon now, this is painting a picture with a awful broad brush. That like me saying Zelda, is just an adventure game like the last Zelda, change Hyrule for water and you pretty much have the same game. More or less I am correct as well, yet, I know the responce this kind of comment would generate.

"Much different? I reckon it's still football. I'm sure I still run plays against a defense to get a ball into an end zone. And when they have the ball, it's time for me to defend. I've done all this before."

This tells me you dont like football, period. Not just the virtual game, but the real game, and if this is indeed true, how can you expect to enjoy a great simulation of the real thing without any aprreciation of the real game. Football is about getting the ball into the endzone, and defending your endzone without the ball, yes, its a very simple premise.

"Yup. If I don't like playing virtual football, then I MUST NOT LIKE PLAYING FOOTBALL IN REAL LIFE, huh? What faulty logic. Funny you didn't talk about the Owner mode, because it sucks. And the Playmaker stuff doesn't really affect a damn thing. It's more of an audible call anyway. Yeah sure you can tell your blockers to go somewhere but it's still useless."

How is this faulty logic. Read my previous statements as to why I think you dont like the real game, it appears very obvious in your tone. As for the owner mode, I personally like it, again this is a matter of taste.
The playmaker stuff is where you are furthest off base. Yes, it is a form of an audible to a degree, but it is also so much more. It gives you as the QB a chance to read the defence and react to it like never before in a virtual game of football. As someone who played QB in highschool, and was a backup in University (yes, I wasnt good enough to start) I really have to say, I am stunned at the amount of control you have as a QB in this years version. Also the ability to break routes withs your recievers is a big plus.

"Point out where I said anything about Nintendo. Way to jump to conclusions. 2 for 2 on faulty logic, sir.

I admit I did jump to conclusions about the Nintendo part, but your posting history tells me it is a safe assumption, and one I would no doubt stick too.  As for you not liking the real game, I would still bet that that is indeed the case. You also have yet to say whether or not this is true?

As for the game itself, the sheer number of people who would disagree with you on this subject tells me they must be on to something.
 

[KDR_11k]

Your statement about Zelda is correct and I bet it'd get slammed as well if it was released yearly. But then Zelda is a very level-dependant game, Maden isn't. Or at least I doubt there are that many level layouts you could put into any given sports game (except for Tony Hawk). Hm, that's interesting: People complain about yearly releases of normal sports games, but I never heard people say that the new Tony Hawk's or Need for Speed was too much like the last one... Must be because these games have changing levels...
Sounds like we found the difference. The difference between two editions of NFL, NBA, FIFA, whatever is new teams and a few more or less important features, the diference between two editions of THPS, NFS, GT, Street Fighter, UT, etc is new characters/vehicles, new features and NEW LEVELS! Now, why don't we add more different levels to games like Madden?

BTW, the only sport I enjoy in real life is hockey with ice hockey sticks and the only one I enjoy virtually is Deathball...

[thecubedcanuck]

"Now, why don't we add more different levels to games like Madden?"

You cant add more levels and still be a simulation. If you add levels you become more of a fantasy game, and less of a true sports sim.

" People complain about yearly releases of normal sports games, but I never heard people say that the new Tony Hawk's or Need for Speed was too much like the last one... Must be because these games have changing levels..."

I am not sure if that is the reason, although it surely may play a part in it.
Other than Tony Hawk, the other games arent really released yearly, and dont sell anywhere near the numbers of Madden. This could be a reason you hear less complaining about them.
Also a point to note is, who are the people who do the complaining in regards to yearly releases of sports title? I find most of the complainers dont even play the games. So I really dont understand what they are complaining about.