Topic: Sony bashing = laughing at a handicapped kid...

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Well, it's Friday.  The week is almost over, and Sony hasn't had too much in the way of bad news this week.

I almost wonder how out-of-proportion bad news are about Sony considering that they're on top this generation, have the most to lose, and that this is a board of us Nintendo fans.

Then again some PlayStation fans have been kind of leery about the PS3 too...

There has been atleast one Analyst or reporter story a day about how Sony is going to "lose" a lot of market share, MS is gonna likely win the HD console war but Nintendo has the biggest opportunity to overtake the market from behind(being a 2nd console to every PS3 and X360). WE just haven't been posting all the stories because they are all kind of overwhelming and basically all just saying the same thing over and over again. Sony is DOOMED, they left a golden opportunity for MS and Nintendo this generation, the Price is too high for most consumers, blah, blah, blah,

We've heard it all b4 and we keep hearing it again, no need to continually post it over and over again.

[Ceric]

Plus they site the same analysis in a lot of them.  When someone comes out with something different, like PS3/Wii/360 devkits exploding, then we'll have something exciting.

[JonLeung]

I'd like Sony to be humbled as well, but all bad news has to start from somewhere.  Like when Sony has manufacturing problems (can't fit the hardware in the chassis, poor chip yields, limited Blu-Ray diodes, etc.), why should anyone outside of the parts manufacturers even know?  I'm sure even Nintendo has the occasional difficulty but we don't hear about every single time they slow down or take a step back.

It's like the people working on the PS3 can't hold back their frustrations and say too much.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Deguello Another fun fact!  If you combine just the worldwide million selling titles the DS, you almost reach $1 billion in sales revenue.  Meaning that with the other titles included, the DS is already a billion dollar industry unto itself.

You want irony?

Nintendo profited off the DS and it's sales last year to the tune of $800 million.

Sony recently took out a goddamn loan to cover the cost of the PS3's development to the tune of $700 million.

Much of the losses incurred by Sony had to have come from the PSP (which they sell at a loss) and it's god-awful software tie-in ratio.

The fact that people are buying PSPs and no games is basically killing them.

[JonLeung]

I always thought that since Sony's gaming hardware is usually sold at a loss, someone like Microsoft could buy a bunch of PS3s and destroy them (or at least not use them), which would mean that Sony spent a lot of money on nothing and be driven to bankruptcy.  That's very likely breaking some antitrust laws, though.

If people were more computer-savvy you'd think that instead of new consoles they'd just have new emulators, though I guess it would really be like purchasing "keys" to play a certain brand of software on your computer.  As in, the Xbox 1080 could really just be a disc that enables "Xbox 1080"-branded games to be played on a PC.  (Though of course that wouldn't work because if people wanted to play PC games no one would even buy an Xbox or Xbox 360 considering most of their library is also available for the PC...)  Though it's extremely unlikely, that would certainly be cheaper for the manufacturer.

Sony should actually support PSX emulators like ePSXe, and PS2 emulators when they're capable - it would get people to buy their software without having to buy their loss-inducing hardware to begin with.

EDIT: Actually, forget that idea...I want Sony to lose money.

[Smash_Brother]

On that note, I still don't see the Xbox returning a profit for MS anytime soon.

They need to pay more companies for total exclusivity so they don't release PC versions of games side by side with 360 versions. Most people will simply opt for the PC version because you get a mouse, keyboard and mods.

There's a reason why Halo didn't come out for the PC until literally years after its release on the Xbox. I don't understand why MS doesn't acknowledge that this is the only way they're really going to push the console.

Right now, the 360 isn't bringing in the numbers they had hoped. I'm sure Halo 3 will give it a colossal jump start, but for being the only next-gen system out and having a year head start, they're not taking advantage of the situation.

[KDR_11k]

I always thought that since Sony's gaming hardware is usually sold at a loss, someone like Microsoft could buy a bunch of PS3s and destroy them (or at least not use them), which would mean that Sony spent a lot of money on nothing and be driven to bankruptcy. That's very likely breaking some antitrust laws, though.

No, that's fully legal except maybe for the waste produced. In fact it's the recommended counterstrategy to dumping, buy up their stock and let them bleed dry. If Sony sells the PS3 at a loss that's their problem. Although I am surprised that selling below cost isn't illegal, it seems to fall under predatory pricing which is an antitrust issue.

Of course that strategy isn't efficient in this case as an unsold console means a bigger loss than a sold one and the additional sales would allow Sony to boast bigger numbers and get more economy of scale benefits. Sure, Sony would have to produce new consoles to replace the ones MS bought but it does drive up the demand. Sony is already scaring enough customers away, I think just sitting back and enjoying the show is enough to kill Sony.

OTOH, there are large numbers of sales for the PSP while the software doesn't sell and Sony alledgedly takes a 200$ loss per unit on those as well... Maybe Nintendo is already employing that strategy?

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k OTOH, there are large numbers of sales for the PSP while the software doesn't sell and Sony alledgedly takes a 200$ loss per unit on those as well... Maybe Nintendo is already employing that strategy?

Nintendo can't afford to do that, though.

My initial theory is that Sony was attempting to pad their sales numbers so that developers would feel safe in creating for the console.

But I've just seen too many sources which seem to indicate that the PSP is indeed selling, just not with any software.

I'm puzzled about the situation, as I've no idea what people would be paying $200 for when they can get movie and MP3 players for much, much cheaper.

Maybe it's become fashionable in the US to own a PSP, just not any games.

[JonLeung]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Maybe it's become fashionable in the US to own a PSP, just not any games.

Is that kind of like that short-lived fashion statement where one wears headphones that aren't connected to anything (and visibly so)?

It's like...having a cart without the horse.  Or something.

 

[Smash_Brother]

When you see the headphones, you assume they have an iPod stashed on them somewhere.

I'm guessing the PSP is the same deal.

[JonLeung]

No, no, that's why I pointed out the "visibly".

I remember reading how it was a fashion statement, and they showed a picture of a guy with headphones, with the plug just dangling in front of him.

Weird.

Though I suppose with the PSP you can do stuff on it even if you don't have any games or UMD movies...like listen to MP3s, I guess, but as has already been mentioned, there are cheaper MP3 players...then there're the ROMs that it seems popular for, especially Super NES ones...but yeah, it's selling too well for something that doesn't have a good game library of its own.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: JonLeung Though I suppose with the PSP you can do stuff on it even if you don't have any games or UMD movies...like listen to MP3s, I guess, but as has already been mentioned, there are cheaper MP3 players...then there're the ROMs that it seems popular for, especially Super NES ones...but yeah, it's selling too well for something that doesn't have a good game library of its own.

That's exactly it.

It's fashionable to have headphones with no device like it MUST be fashionable to have a PSP with no games.

[couchmonkey]

If Sony really loses $200 per PSP, and the retail price is also $200, then Nintendo could cost Sony $375 million dollars worth of damage just by spending the funds from the sale of Rareware.   Add in Brain Training Revenues posted earlier in this thread and they could cost $575 million.

I think Nintendo might have enough money to make a strategy like that work (well, ignoring the points KDR made about the problems with that type of strategy) but the company is very careful with its money.  That's what this whole Wii thing is about.  Nintendo didn't want to pay the high price of making games with 10 hours of pre-rendered movies and professional voice acting, so it came up with a way to keep making games that only cost a few million to develop.  Not to say that's wrong, I think it's a really smart strategy, I just want to say that Nintendo does have money.  

[Athrun Zala]

still, I can laugh at them for the huge amount of stupidities they say.... (regarding to the topic's title)

I mean, after phrases like these....

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Kaz Hirai: It was so secret that people thought we came up with it [right before E3]. But this thing has been in [Ken] Kutaragi's mind for the longest time.

Kaz Hirai: We wanted to make sure that at any stage in the life cycle we're giving consumers the option and not forcing stuff on them that they don't even need.

(I got these form here, there are a lot more....that interview is just ..... lol)

[SixthAngel]

I wouldn't liken Sony bashing to laughing at a handicapped kid.  I'm gonna give some analogies I like and anybody after me feel free to throw in your own.

Sony is like a friend with a really hot girlfriend that gets plastered one night and hooks up with an ugly girl destroying what he has.

Sony is like that guy you know who takes crazy bets.  He is such an idiot that you laugh and can't feel bad for him when he breaks his arm and makes 10 dollars in the proccess.