Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 670747 times)

broodwars · « **Reply #3150 on:** January 11, 2011, 04:55:17 PM »

Apparently, if push comes to shove and heavy piracy arises due to the recent PS3 security breaches, Sony has the technology to remotely disable any PS3 connected to the internet regardless of whether it has a Playstation Network Account. This is because the PS3 routinely reports back to Sony about what software has been run on your PS3 (ok, that's a little frightening), so Sony can just look at your software history; see that you have run illegal software; and then remotely disable your PS3 via internet. On the one hand, it is nice that Sony has a way to deal with pirates. On the other hand, although Sony likely won't do it, it is very unsettling that Sony has the capability (and possibly legal right?) to shut down and lock my PS3 any time they don't like what I've been playing. I don't like where this is heading...

ShyGuy · « **Reply #3151 on:** January 11, 2011, 05:02:20 PM »

You said the P word...

Playstation

Shaymin · « **Reply #3152 on:** January 11, 2011, 05:23:47 PM »

I guess they may start with the person in this image. Yes, that is someone running an SNES emulator on their PS3.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #3153 on:** January 11, 2011, 11:31:18 PM »

Quote from: broodwars on January 11, 2011, 04:55:17 PM

Apparently, if push comes to shove and heavy piracy arises due to the recent PS3 security breaches, Sony has the technology to remotely disable any PS3 connected to the internet regardless of whether it has a Playstation Network Account. This is because the PS3 routinely reports back to Sony about what software has been run on your PS3 (ok, that's a little frightening), so Sony can just look at your software history; see that you have run illegal software; and then remotely disable your PS3 via internet. On the one hand, it is nice that Sony has a way to deal with pirates. On the other hand, although Sony likely won't do it, it is very unsettling that Sony has the capability (and possibly legal right?) to shut down and lock my PS3 any time they don't like what I've been playing. I don't like where this is heading...

Technically Nintendo and Microsoft have the "technology" to do this too, and the Wii and Xbox 360 push your gaming history to their respective domains as well. I don't think Sony has the right to actually do this, since there hasn't been any legal precedent set for the PS3 JailBreak - and if it ends up being anything like the iPhone, then it's perfectly legal. I don't think Sony is stupid enough to even attempt something like this (actually breaking consoles), and I think Nintendo has set the perfect example for how to deal with hackers - if they update, remove their homebrew. Of course the simple thing to do is just turn off your PS3's internet connection if you're worried.

Morari · « **Reply #3154 on:** January 12, 2011, 10:14:37 AM »

broodwars · « **Reply #3155 on:** January 12, 2011, 12:51:11 PM »

Well, Sony's made their first move by filing a legal restraining order against hacker George Hotz (aka geohot) and members of the team failOverflow, which would require these people to hand over their PCs etc. as well as cease distributing the hack. Interesting move, which could lead to a lawsuit. I'd been wondering why Sony hadn't yet sued Hotz ever since he declared himself the one responsible for the hack. This is unlikely to do much to deter the spread of the hack, now that it is out on the internet, but it does indicate that Sony is going to actively fight this.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #3156 on:** January 12, 2011, 02:44:55 PM »

This is going to end up bad for Sony. First, you can't copyright numbers, and geohot didn't use Sony SDK or anything to create his tools, neither did anyone in fail0verfl0w, even if they end up being able to bring charges against anyone (which I doubt they will), it will probably be decided that jailbreaking your PS3 (just like the iPhone) is perfectly legal, if piracy is not your goal.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #3157 on:** January 12, 2011, 04:33:06 PM »

And just to show that no one is scared of Sony's bullshit...

...it's been mirrored on several sites now.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #3158 on:** January 12, 2011, 04:36:06 PM »

You're right, though: if Sony actually goes through with it and takes it to court, they'll end up making things even worse for themselves.

MaryJane · « **Reply #3159 on:** January 12, 2011, 04:46:07 PM »

Well, they are officially taking it court now.

I can see a lot of the charges being dropped, but the fact remains that they posted their jailbreaking method for the purpose of helping others to do it, which is in fact, illegal.

We'll see what happens I guess.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #3160 on:** January 12, 2011, 04:53:17 PM »

Quote from: MaryJane on January 12, 2011, 04:46:07 PM

Well, they are officially taking it court now.

I can see a lot of the charges being dropped, but the fact remains that they posted their jailbreaking method for the purpose of helping others to do it, which is in fact, illegal.

We'll see what happens I guess.

Are you a lawyer? Last time I checked, freedom of speech wasn't illegal.

broodwars · « **Reply #3161 on:** January 12, 2011, 04:58:09 PM »

Quote from: Brandogg on January 12, 2011, 04:53:17 PM

Quote from: MaryJane on January 12, 2011, 04:46:07 PM
Well, they are officially taking it court now.

I can see a lot of the charges being dropped, but the fact remains that they posted their jailbreaking method for the purpose of helping others to do it, which is in fact, illegal.

We'll see what happens I guess.
Are you a lawyer? Last time I checked, freedom of speech wasn't illegal.

Let's not start this again, please...both of you.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #3162 on:** January 12, 2011, 04:58:29 PM »

Quote from: MaryJane on January 12, 2011, 04:46:07 PM

Well, they are officially taking it court now.

I can see a lot of the charges being dropped, but the fact remains that they posted their jailbreaking method for the purpose of helping others to do it, which is in fact, illegal.

We'll see what happens I guess.

How exactly is it illegal? Jailbreaking a phone is explicitly legal, so long as you're not doing illegal things with it, so why shouldn't jailbreaking a game console be the same? And if it's legal to do something, then it's legal to tell other people how to do it.

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #3163 on:** January 12, 2011, 05:00:54 PM »

Freedom of speech only applies to government censorship. The change to the DMCA only allows you to jailbreak for lawful programs. I am not a legal expert, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is illegal to tell others how to hack their system. It's the same way that various court rulings have said you can mod your system, but it's illegal to do it for others.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #3164 on:** January 12, 2011, 05:51:58 PM »

To teach a man how to fish and to fish for him are two very different things.

MaryJane · « **Reply #3165 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:21:15 PM »

Thank you BnM, I don't know if you were agreeing with me, but that is all I was saying.

Everyone is free to jailbreak a device they payed for, with the realization that they in doing so they void the warranty and risk bricking their system.

It is however, illegal to jailbreak someone elses device, even if they ask you to do it. I don't make the rules, but those are they, and freedom of speech has its limits; .... There was a pedophile recently arrested because he wrote and self-published a book about how to be a pedophile (there are some entrapment concerns with the case, but even if they rule it was entrapment, it'll likely just become a federal case and he'll be jailed and raped and beaten like all pedophiles deserve... but I digress). I don't agree with Sony's stance, but I understand it, and I think they may have a case, but like I said; I guess we'll see.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #3166 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:26:40 PM »

Quote from: MaryJane on January 12, 2011, 08:21:15 PM

Thank you BnM, I don't know if you were agreeing with me, but that is all I was saying.

Everyone is free to jailbreak a device they payed for, with the realization that they in doing so they void the warranty and risk bricking their system.

It is however, illegal to jailbreak someone elses device, even if they ask you to do it. I don't make the rules, but those are they, and freedom of speech has its limits; .... There was a pedophile recently arrested because he wrote and self-published a book about how to be a pedophile (there are some entrapment concerns with the case, but even if they rule it was entrapment, it'll likely just become a federal case and he'll be jailed and raped and beaten like all pedophiles deserve... but I digress). I don't agree with Sony's stance, but I understand it, and I think they may have a case, but like I said; I guess we'll see.

No, it is not. I don't know where you got that information from, but it's not true, and it doesn't apply to geohot (coincidentally he's the same guy that came out with the iPhone jaibreak) and Sony anyway.

MaryJane · « **Reply #3167 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:30:59 PM »

Stogi · « **Reply #3168 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:58:14 PM »

I don't know the law but I think it's illegal for others to pay you to jailbreak.

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #3169 on:** January 12, 2011, 09:12:57 PM »

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #3170 on:** January 12, 2011, 09:34:59 PM »

... I'm pretty sure it's legal to be compensated for jailbreaking/unlocking someone else's phone too (especially if they don't know how to do it), you just can't sell it with any pirated apps installed.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #3171 on:** January 12, 2011, 10:28:29 PM »

George Hotz and his lawyer respond to Sony. Good read. I'm no judge, but i have a feeling this case will be dismissed.

vudu · « **Reply #3172 on:** January 13, 2011, 09:31:17 AM »

OJ Simpson in a Sony thread? Seriously guys? Cut it out.

MaryJane · « **Reply #3173 on:** January 13, 2011, 09:46:03 AM »

WHAT DID I JUST SAY

oohhboy · « **Reply #3174 on:** January 13, 2011, 09:58:02 AM »

Quote from: vudu on January 13, 2011, 09:31:17 AM

OJ Simpson in a Sony thread? Seriously guys? Cut it out.

This is why I stayed the hell out after the first time. You just know there is going to be some seriously messed up analogies getting fired off in every which direction and someone is going to get shot.

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