Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 858267 times)

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #1225 on:** January 05, 2007, 10:17:15 AM »

didn't BetaMax not let u watch tv while recording? I remember a "That 70's show" episode that pointed that out. If thats the case i'd argue that would be a major reason BetaMax lost.

utarefsoN · « **Reply #1226 on:** January 05, 2007, 11:33:21 AM »

last i checked, movie studios were evenly split between blu ray and HD DVD. when did this sudden shift to blu ray occur. Source please.

Requiem · « **Reply #1227 on:** January 05, 2007, 12:04:05 PM »

Who really cares if Blu-ray succeeds or loses?

Sure, it will help drive some more PS3's home, but at what time? 3,5,10 years down the road?

And furthermore, for a system to be successful, it doesn't need those features. The Nintendo Wii is very successful and for what reason? Blu-ray? HD-DVD? HD-graphics? Nope, none of them. So why is it a concern.

The people have chosen, and they don't want an expensive robust entertainment system. They want a cheap "powerful" videogame system.

Just look at these graphs here

segagamer12 · « **Reply #1228 on:** January 05, 2007, 12:16:08 PM »

well I care if it does good or not because I want to get an HD tv eventually and it has nothignt od o with Ps3 but everything to do with what movies get made for what format.

Having it or not having never would be a deciding factor for me as far a PS goes because i NEVER bought ps2 and I will NEVER buy a PS3 regardless.

So I can udnerstand why people care if Bluray dies because that way it makes it easier to support HD-dvd and not worry about gowing with the wrong format. But as far as PS goes it is all irrelavent and sony knows that, they are just too stuborn to admit it.

But I wont be getting any HD disks or tvs till latter in the year or even next year, depending on hwo things go, so that will give them both time to get a decentmovie selection to maek the descision easier for me. Even if I chose to go Blu Ray I wont buy a Sony player. Sony sucks so much rigth now I used to love them but now wish them nothign but death and harm.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1229 on:** January 05, 2007, 09:51:24 PM »

last i checked, movie studios were evenly split between blu ray and HD DVD. when did this sudden shift to blu ray occur. Source please.

Last I checked all companies supporting HDDVD really belonged to only one parent company while the other "master" companies were on board with Blu-Ray. Not to mention the number of movie companies that just belong to Sony.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #1230 on:** January 06, 2007, 02:32:06 AM »

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Silly analysts. The only reason to believe MS will win is because of it's headstart, but if you dig a little deeper, you can see the head start has been squandered. Wii is keeping up pace with 360 sales even with shortages, 360 failed to outsell PS2 for practically all of 2006, and worst of all 360 failed to outdo the original Xbox's first year sales - even with no next-gen competition!

So what you're essentially saying is that:
Xbox 360 isn't selling any faster than the Wii. (They aren't beating Nintendo's "underpowered" console.)
Xbox 360 couldn't beat the PS2's sales in 2006. (They couldn't beat Sony's last-gen console.)
Xbox 360 couldn't beat the Xbox's sales in 2001. (They couldn't beat their own last-gen console.)

So, they can't beat anyone's weaker console. That's pretty sad - and the analysts think Microsoft will come out on top?

All I think this shows is that the price and timing of the Xbox 360 was wrong. As I stated early this generation started a year too early. Possibly 2 years too early. The reason I say 2 years...is because next year you know the Xbox 360 could be made at more reasonable prices...if not an even better machine at a more reasonable game console price. The HD-DVD format would be slightly more established and games could be on those discs providing more memory. Nintendo could of had another year or two to perfect the Wii technology more, and even having a graphically better system that is still cheap.

Oh well. It just wasn't meant to be that way.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #1231 on:** January 06, 2007, 05:16:57 AM »

>>didn't BetaMax not let u watch tv while recording? I remember a "That 70's show" episode that pointed that out. If thats the case i'd argue that would be a major reason BetaMax lost. <<

No your rememebring half right, the reason they didnt watch it wa because Red was showing off his new toy, not becuse of a flaw in betamax, we had beta before vhs and ai sorta rememebr it, even though I was little and didnt understand why our tapes were smaler than my freinds tapes but then we had an 5200 with bigger 'tapes' than his tiny little intelevision 'tapes' so it was all good in the end.

Ceric · « **Reply #1232 on:** January 07, 2007, 08:48:03 AM »

Microsoft can just make a revision this year that uses a HD-DVD drive. All the 360 games would still come on DVD's but the HD-DVD drive would be built in. Sort of like the Q.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #1233 on:** January 07, 2007, 10:03:18 AM »

There is a rumore right now that MS is gonna release an Xbox 360 v2 that has HDMI out and a 120GB HDD. It was also speculated that they could possibly include an HD-DVD drive at around or slightly more than what the Premiuim sells for now.

capamerica · « **Reply #1234 on:** January 07, 2007, 10:22:08 AM »

HDMI and 120GB HDD = yes
Internal HD-DVD = No

MS has gone on record saying that its way to early for them to include a built-in HD-DVD drive do to the fact we still don't know who will win this new format war.

A interesting rumor that has been also going around this week is that Sony might be dropping Blu-Ray from the PS3 and making a DVD based PS3. I think the rumor is very unlikely cause if Sony were to do that they would have to admit defeat in the Next Gen media war. They might be able to save the PS3 but it would kill Blu-Ray. And if Blu-Ray was killed then they would piss off all the studios that have been backing Blu-Ray and they would be forced to admit that Blu-Ray was NOT needed for games. There would be a ton backlash if they removed Blu-Ray and you would have a ton of people mad at Sony, not only the Movie Studios but also the Game Developers and even the Sony fanboys who bought the PS3 already.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #1235 on:** January 07, 2007, 10:50:16 AM »

Sony will NOT be removing BRD from the PS3. As happy as I would be to eat those words, I know I'm not gonna have to. The entire company is riding on the success of CELL and Bluray and the PS3 is the ship to sail that package into every home possible. Its just NOT gonna happen.
Besides Sony would become become the laughing stock of the electronics industry. And trust me it would be their LAST failed format, cause Sony would more or less just not exist in the eyes of content providers or would've been hardware co-investors.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #1236 on:** January 07, 2007, 12:31:02 PM »

I am going to write a letter to Sony witha petition asking them to just to the world a favor and close their doors and selel thier stuff back to thier rightfull owners. I am strting to HATE them more and more everyday. Anyone want to sign the petition I send along with the letter?

Artimus · « **Reply #1237 on:** January 07, 2007, 01:23:16 PM »

LMAO, in their CES keynote Sony stated that they have shipped 1 million PS3s. Not hard to believe. They also claim they reached this number faster than either PS1 or PS2. Impossible to believe. Especially consider they sold 900,000 their first week in Japan (says Wikipedia) and shipped 2 million in their first month and a half says (says Sony themselves).

couchmonkey · « **Reply #1238 on:** January 08, 2007, 03:59:43 AM »

I don't see Sony removing Blu-ray from PS3 until it's blatantly obvious that the format is failure - and by that time it will probably be too late because it would kill backwards compatability with all the games released up to that point.

MS powering up the 360 could happen but I don't see it adding a standard HD-DVD drive any time soon since Blu-ray doesn't seem to be a selling point for PS3. A bigger hard drive or HDMI, maybe. The bigger hard drive goes with both companies' ambitions to create a set-top box.

Honestly, I think both companies are too focused on competing. It's all about one-upping each other: more power, more features, more marketing, more money. Even Microsoft's somewhat admirable attempts to fill in gaps in its game lineup are focused on competition: Blue Dragon is a direct shot at PS2's strongest genre. For all the money and effort put into that game, it will probably take a loss and it won't convince anyone that 360 is suddenly a better system for RPGs than PS3.

Meanwhile, Nintendo is looking at how to make the gaming experience more pleasing for consumers. Some hardcore gamers aren't impressed, but tons of non-gamers are. The challenge isn't to outdo Sony or Microsoft anymore, it's to please the customer. For Microsoft, it doesn't matter if only 15% of its customers actually want an HD-DVD player, it must have one just to compete with Sony. For Nintendo, basically 100% of its customers want the Wiimote, and if Nintendo creates a feature that not everyone wants, it's dirt-cheap (like the Weather Channel or the Opera Browser).

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1239 on:** January 08, 2007, 04:15:37 AM »

For all the money and effort put into that game, it will probably take a loss and it won't convince anyone that 360 is suddenly a better system for RPGs than PS3.

The 360 IS a better system for RPGs. It may only have Blue Dragon but how much does the PS3 have? Sure, they get Final Fantasy in a few years but if the PS3 keeps stumbling along like it does now it might lose even that.

Ages · « **Reply #1240 on:** January 08, 2007, 05:43:23 AM »

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LMAO, in their CES keynote Sony stated that they have shipped 1 million PS3s. Not hard to believe. They also claim they reached this number faster than either PS1 or PS2. Impossible to believe. Especially consider they sold 900,000 their first week in Japan (says Wikipedia) and shipped 2 million in their first month and a half says (says Sony themselves).

Not only did they ship 1 million systems Artimus, but they shipped 1 million systems to the US lol

couchmonkey · « **Reply #1241 on:** January 08, 2007, 05:50:47 AM »

You're absolutely right, but I think the perception is still that PS3 will outdo Xbox 360 in the long run. I have a friend that feels he MUST have a PS3 for Final Fantasy, and I keep telling him to wait and see but he won't have any of it.

I think 360 could turn around and become a better system for RPGs than PS3, but it's going to take way more than Blue Dragon. The lucky thing for Microsoft is that Sony has screwed up so badly that there's now a real chance of companies like Square Enix porting major games to Xbox 360.

trip1eX · « **Reply #1242 on:** January 08, 2007, 10:36:26 AM »

YEah i think you have to wait and see what happens once some games start to come out for it. Not just that but BluRay movies too.

Right now it's not attractive because of lack of games and any appeal Hi-Def DVDs will have is in its infancy.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #1243 on:** January 08, 2007, 03:59:50 PM »

Its gaining mommentum here, not ps3 but HD, almost everyoen I know has an hdtv in one form or anther and people want movies to play on thier tvs. I know only 1 person who has an hddvd player but he is getting others to look at it at least. I hope HDdvd takes off guickly so Sony can swicth sides and put thier movies on hddvd and let bluray die a horrible death.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1244 on:** January 08, 2007, 06:18:53 PM »

YEah i think you have to wait and see what happens once some games start to come out for it. Not just that but BluRay movies too.

Sony's problem is that everyone is waiting and it doesn't look like they'll get what they're waiting for anytime soon.

Arbok · « **Reply #1245 on:** January 08, 2007, 07:19:11 PM »

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Sony's problem is that everyone is waiting and it doesn't look like they'll get what they're waiting for anytime soon.

Exactly. If people aren't buying the releases in the mean time, then it gives studios little incentive to sign up, for those that haven't, or release very many titles if they aren't making as much revenue as they could with further releases on DVD or another format. It also gives stores little reason to allot the format much store room, although considering how large the UMD section was, and for so long, that will probably take longer to kick in.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #1246 on:** January 09, 2007, 02:40:35 AM »

I really don't know how to solve Sony's problems. I guess the first thing would be to pay, pay, pay Konami and Square Enix to keep their games exclusive (everyone knows which games I'm talking about). But I don't know if even that's going to be enough. It's not like Super Mario, The Legend of Zelda and Pokemon were enough to keep Nintendo going really strong.

The price is the big problem, and I can't see how to fix it without losing tons of money or rejecting Blu-ray. I guess if I was in charge, I'd go for a Blu-rayless PS3. Maybe a Blu-ray playing version could be available at the current price, but the games would all go back to DVD. It would cheese my partners off, but it could mean the difference between one of Sony's biggest brands failing or succeeding.

Actually, if I was in charge of Sony I might consider swallowing my pride and see if I could liscence the Wii's controller technology....but would that really be worth it? I'm not selling PS3 to any non-gamers at the current price, it would just give me a slight edge against Microsoft. Better than no edge, maybe...

It's a really tight spot!

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #1247 on:** January 09, 2007, 04:15:17 AM »

If you wanted to start swallowing pride, I don't think liscensing the Wimote tech (would never happen) would be the place to start. I think liscensing rumble tech from that one company that sued them, Immersion. That would help them with am advatage over MS, if they included that new more diverse and interactive rumble that Immersion was trying to sell.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1248 on:** January 09, 2007, 04:53:15 AM »

I think Sony had plenty of time to fix their mistakes, they failed and are beyond the point of no return. They could try paying big bunches of money to get exclusive games but they've soured dev relations and these games are expensive to make and would lose a LOT of sales by being PS3 exclusive so that'd be a lot of money to pay. Their biggest hurdle is that their console is too expensive and they can't drop the price. Would probably take a LOT of exclusives to get the PS3 to outsell the 360 and Wii, buying would net you a release schedule like the N64 or Gamecube, a few heavy hitters but none of the good-but-not-great games that make the PS2 library so appealing for everyone.

I really think Sony killed their chances with the price tag and there's no real way for them to get back on top other than hoping for a miracle (or really, REALLY dumb consumers* that buy anything called Playstation because they think it'll have the biggest library just from that name but I don't think there are enough of those to give Sony first place again).

I mean, Sony doesn't just have to prove that their console is better than the others (which ATM they're failing at), they have to prove that their console is so much better that it even makes up for the price tag. Even if the PS3 and 360 were equally good the 360 would win because it's more cost effective.

*=I usually hate that term but when we're talking about people buying a console hoping for something that minimal research would show them isn't going to happen just because of the brand name...

Ceric · « **Reply #1249 on:** January 09, 2007, 05:35:35 AM »

Just to put it this way.

If you told me that I could get a 360 that would:

1) Play 360 games
2) Interact with Zune Marketplace
3) Stream Media from my computer
4) Had a 120 GB harddrive to let me use as a file server for said media
5) Play HD-DVD movies
6) Came w/ wireless, component cables, and the controller being wireless

All for the price of the current premium price I ask you where I could buy it. At that point though I would assume that the current premium would become the core system. Which would not be a bad thing.

That be a deal for me. It justify me 360 existance for the few games I want for it.

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