Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 869258 times)

couchmonkey · « **Reply #225 on:** September 01, 2006, 12:39:59 PM »

Wow, I've been giving Sony too much credit...the guy says that they need to avoid losing focus, nestled in among five other comments that prove they are losing focus. How stupid can you get?

JonLeung · « **Reply #226 on:** September 01, 2006, 01:09:39 PM »

Supposedly games like MGS: Portable Ops will use the GPS receiver. How? Not sure. Maybe you can pinpoint other MGS:PO players and sneak up on them, Solid Snake style?

Maybe when you're clearly outside of North American borders you can see risqué content like being able to play as naked Raiden (without hands over his crotch) .

Okay, I really don't know. It seems too much like a gimmick...I see game hardware pointless if not enough games use it...I would probably never buy a PSP and I don't think many PSP owners would even consider a GPS receiver...unless they needed such a device for real, non-game purposes. But if they didn't already have a PSP, I would guess that a standalone device is probably cheaper.

Donutt007 · « **Reply #227 on:** September 01, 2006, 01:59:21 PM »

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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Supposedly games like MGS: Portable Ops will use the GPS receiver. How? Not sure. Maybe you can pinpoint other MGS:PO players and sneak up on them, Solid Snake style?

Or you can find somebody that left their GPS on, track them down, beat them up and steal their PSP

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #228 on:** September 01, 2006, 07:29:12 PM »

Sony didn't have demo PSPs either because such a small number of them was available at the time of launch, they couldn't meet demand. I guess Sony could feel the same way about PS3. Why do we need to demo the system...people already know they NEED the system.

The GPS is silly to me. I could actually understand it with the DS because the touch screen could impliment some pretty easy to use user-interface and a great tool. For games, it sounds pretty wierd, but hey...maybe Monster Rancher could create custom monsters determined by your location in the world.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #229 on:** September 01, 2006, 07:44:26 PM »

Yeah, imagine in an MMO you start off in a town based off of where you live. For example, people in the tropics will be put into a tropical town, people in the north can be put into snowy mountains, and people from China can be immediatley banned.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #230 on:** September 01, 2006, 09:43:18 PM »

Or you can find somebody that left their GPS on, track them down, beat them up and steal their PSP

NAVSTAR GPS is passive for the user, you can't track the receiver. And really, how would that work, millions of devices sending a signal powerful enough to reach into orbit?

oohhboy · « **Reply #231 on:** September 01, 2006, 09:52:55 PM »

Haahahaaha PWND!!!!1!!

linkie

An interesting artical. Discuss.

Smoke39 · « **Reply #232 on:** September 01, 2006, 11:44:27 PM »

"If everybody said it's a piece of cake, that's telling me it's not a future-proof console, that it has no headroom to grow."

Let's say we got two consoles of equal power. One's easy to develop for; developers easily take full advantage of the system from the start. The other's harder, and developers only start to take full advantage of it toward the end of the console's life span. By Hirai's logic, the latter's a better console. Regardless of whether or not this is the case with the PS3, the reasoning is completely flawed.

SixthAngel · « **Reply #233 on:** September 02, 2006, 12:21:32 PM »

When someone says future proof it makes me want to laugh in their face. You can't protect something from an uncertain future.

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #234 on:** September 02, 2006, 07:45:29 PM »

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Originally posted by: oohhboy
Haahahaaha PWND!!!!1!!

linkie

An interesting artical. Discuss.

agreed, it's really interesting (despite already knowing the things it said

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a good thing is that, even though it's barely mentioned, they only say good things about Wii

Hocotate · « **Reply #235 on:** September 03, 2006, 09:44:41 AM »

GPS? It's like Sony just throws in anything they can think of now...

IceCold · « **Reply #236 on:** September 03, 2006, 04:46:24 PM »

Hahhaha, those PSP quotes are just priceless..

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However, it's important that the concept not lose focus. It would be troubling to have it become a machine whose use is unknown

It's not often that you hear someone tell you what they shouldn't do in the future when they're doing exactly what they mention in the present. Look at the PSP's tie in ratio! And UMD sales! It failed on both fronts, as a multimedia player AND a gaming device.. Are there any Thought Police in Sony Corp? Seriously, I think that everyone there actually believes that the PSP is succeeding.. A cell phone? Are you kidding me?

Ceric · « **Reply #237 on:** September 03, 2006, 06:45:18 PM »

When at first you don't succeed try try again.

Plus Cellphone is a very Blingy area. We all know that the PSP only was successful as Bling-Bling.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #238 on:** September 05, 2006, 06:23:00 AM »

I think incorporating a cell phone into the PSP might be interesting - it's a handy feature to have in the machine - but Sony really needs to focus on software. PSP could be huge right now, but the games it needs to succeed aren't being made. Basically you have Grand Theft Auto and little else. Well, there do seem to be some other worthwhile games, but they're not big names. Where is a true Final Fantasy game for this system?

I'm reading oohhboy's article, it's pretty interesting. One thing I found neat was that Kutarugi apparently expected Microsoft to enter the market years ahead of time. I'll add more thoughts when I'm done.

Edit: something just came into focus for me, while reading this. A lot of people saw Nintendo's online "strategy" as weak this generation, but Sony's was hardly better. The main difference is that Sony had five times more users...and it also released a couple of online games itself. Microsoft has won the online battle - up to this point. Friends codes are a pain, but I think the zero-dollar cost of Nintendo's online service will prove to be popular. According to the article Xbox live has 3 million subscribers but Nintendo WiFi has managed 1 million in under a year.

Ah ha ha ha, best quote from the article: "'I bought shares in mighty Sony,' cried a woman whose holdings had lost nearly two-thirds of their value."

You know, the conclusion to the article calling for, "no more wars in the living room", is interesting. Does Sony need to fight that war? If Sony had ignored Blu-ray and released a new console similar to Microsoft's several months ago, it seems to me that the company would be in much better shape. Maybe they would have had to ignore Cell Processors too. Ultimately these technologies could pay off big-time for Sony but they don't offer clear advantages for games or gamers, so they could be the downfall of the product.

JonLeung · « **Reply #239 on:** September 05, 2006, 06:29:53 AM »

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Originally posted by: couchmonkeyWhere is a true Final Fantasy game for this system?

Square-Enix thinks the GBA is a better place for their (I), II, IV, V, and VI ports, and III for the DS. I think they know who rules handhelds. And all of their non-porting teams are probably working on XIII, XIII Versus, that XIII spin-off mobile phone game, that VII spin-off mobile phone game, thinking up some more VII spin-offs...you know how they are.

If they did do a PSP game, that might be a selling point. Square-Enix is a big selling name for the PS2 and PS3, after all. But for some reason they won't.

EDIT: I suppose they're also working on the Wii (and DS?) versions of Crystal Chronicles, plus there's some Chocobo game and a few Dragon Quest games. They sure know how to keep busy; PSP probably isn't a priority for them...and the longer they stay away, the less likely it ever will be.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #240 on:** September 05, 2006, 07:06:26 AM »

Hey Jon, you're absolutely right, but I'm sure Sony could make something like the FFIII remake happen on PSP. The thing is...Sony can't seem to be bothered to reach out to Squre Enix, or to do anything else to get some must-have games on the system (there's obviously a lot more than Final Fantasy out there, but that's one major series that I think most people equate with Sony lately).

I think another issue Sony faces with PSP is that it put all this power into the system, but developers aren't willing to spend the money to make PS2-quality games on a handheld. So you pay a premium price for a powerful system filled with ports, remakes, and games that could have been done on the DS hardware.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #241 on:** September 05, 2006, 08:12:48 AM »

Square-Enix have been taking the easy way out for most of their portable Final Fantasy Ports. They are enhancing graphics and such, but I am sure that it is easier to justify not bringing the game to 3D on the GBA ports than it would be with the PSP ports. As well Square-Enix can easily grab Sprites and such from all the SNES games to modernize the graphics, and keep it cheap.

Final Fantasy 3 surprises me, being on the DS, until you realize you have a chance to own a system that can play every classic Final Fantasy game, why not redesign the game exclusively for the DS.

I predict more and more classic RPGs will be coming to the DS for these reasons.

Hell I wouldn't be surprised to see the Playstation Games ported to DS, it wouldn't be THAT difficult to pull off.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #242 on:** September 05, 2006, 09:21:17 AM »

Why would S-E put FF on the PSP if they can't use FMVs anyway because of the battery limits and noone buys games for the PSP no matter what?

couchmonkey · « **Reply #243 on:** September 05, 2006, 11:31:59 AM »

Because Sony drives a dumptruck of money up to them in the interests of keeping its handheld on the market. And let's be honest here, a Final Fantasy game (edit: that's not a straight port) would sell fine on the system.

Of course at this point it might be too late for one game to make a difference, Sony should have been hopping on this about six months ago when it started to become obvious that DS was winning Japan.

Ceric · « **Reply #244 on:** September 05, 2006, 03:36:18 PM »

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Source: A MacWorld Review of the Core 2 Duo
“Buying a 64-bit capable Core 2 Duo notebook right now is like buying a Playstation 3 when there won’t be any games for another two years,” Bhavnani said.

Slam... From a none gaming source.

JonLeung · « **Reply #245 on:** September 05, 2006, 04:38:35 PM »

Here, want some more bad news? This comes from PS3.net:

PS3 Backwards Compatibility not so Backwards?

If you end up with a PS3 in one of those "rare instances" that can't play CDs, DVDs, Blu-Rays, PSX discs, and PS2 discs, then all you need is one that can't play PS3 discs.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #246 on:** September 05, 2006, 06:18:37 PM »

Also Sony is not putting in high def component cables in any PS3 package so if you want your PS3 to output in high def you need to buy component cables or a HDMI cable. I think this is rediculous since the PS3 is already expensive and they cant even put in component cables!?!?! Now thats weak.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #247 on:** September 05, 2006, 10:54:47 PM »

Because Sony drives a dumptruck of money up to them in the interests of keeping its handheld on the market.

Considering the dev costs and average profit expectations of a Final Fantasy title that has to be a HUGE dump truck.

BigJim · « **Reply #248 on:** September 06, 2006, 12:14:27 AM »

lollerskates. Sony delays Euro launch to March, and US and Japan get shorter supplies.

SCEE Website

"Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) today announced that it would revise the launch date of its PLAYSTATION® 3 computer entertainment system in the PAL territories ... to March 2007."

Herald Tribune

"In the U.S., about 400,000 PlayStation 3 machines will be available when they go on sale Nov. 17. About 100,000 will be available on the Nov. 11 Japan launch date."

Totally didn't see THAT coming.

Mario · « **Reply #249 on:** September 06, 2006, 12:27:27 AM »

LOL! 400,000 units for US launch, 100,000 for Japan.

Sony is finished. Not only is PS3 going to be behind Xbox 360 and Wii this holidays, but PS2 and PSP. PS3 will be like the 6th highest selling system this holidays in Japan.

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Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 869258 times)