Author Topic: The Big Thread of Wii Launch Pessimism: All the things that could go wrong! (Read 57080 times)

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #175 on:** June 29, 2006, 06:17:20 AM »

Imagine pulling off fatalities by immitating the motions of the characters, like MK1's Sub-Zero decap-spine-pull, or Raiden's awesome electro-exploding-head-technique (w/ Remote + Nunchaku).

No more aweful button combos that you forget after a year.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #176 on:** June 29, 2006, 08:27:20 AM »

Halo 3, Gears of War, Prey, and Too Human

Yeah...and aren't most of those just more variety in the FPS category...or futuristic 3rd person shooter.

That is what I want to play. Our 4 big games this holiday are pratically all the same.

WHOOHOO!!!!

YES!!!

I too am looking into the Wii's future. Mario Tennis and Mario Golf will rock. And I can only begin to imagine the greatness of Mario Kart Wii after the incredibly amazing Mario Kart DS.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #177 on:** June 29, 2006, 11:21:33 AM »

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Halo 3, Gears of War, Prey, and Too Human

Yeah...and aren't most of those just more variety in the FPS category...or futuristic 3rd person shooter.

That is what I want to play. Our 4 big games this holiday are pratically all the same.

WHOOHOO!!!!

YES!!!

I too am looking into the Wii's future. Mario Tennis and Mario Golf will rock. And I can only begin to imagine the greatness of Mario Kart Wii after the incredibly amazing Mario Kart DS.

Lol, Too Human is more of an 3rd person action game (a poorly received one at that from E3), but I agree . I do get your point, this is one thing that has been bothering me about MS or Sony, almost every big game is some futuristic, dark, realistic looking game. It gets quite tedious after awhile, and that is why I enjoy more creative adventures like Zelda or Mario, because there is so much more that can be done in the way of visuals, level design and enemies.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #178 on:** June 30, 2006, 07:43:36 AM »

I definately see the sameness of Xbox and Playstation titles a problem.

In my collection I only own like 2 FPS. 2 Fighters. A couple of RPGs. A Couple of Platformers. A Couple of Puzzle games. And finally a few Sports Games.

When I look at the mainstream games for Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 I see more of the same period.

Realistic War Simulators (First Person and Third) How many of those do you really need?

Free Roaming Crime playground games. (Grand Theft Auto Types) This is one of the most overrated genres ever. Yes, I can do anything I want from the beginning of the game. But why does it all relate to do the samething over and over again?

Shooters: Be it First Person, or Third Person. They all have the same atmosphere, similar stories and directions, and they just don't interest me anymore. All I need is one single great multiplayer First Person experience and I am happy....not 100.

Sports Games: Again, I just need one of each sport I am interested in...and that isn't very many.

There is nothing new.

At least with Nintendo. Their franchises are pretty varied. Mario is nothing like Zelda. Zelda is nothing like Metroid. Metroid is nothing like Star Fox.

There is alot of variety in not just games, but in presenation and personality with the system. The same can't be said about other systems. (Jaks and Daks is a great example. Its a platformer/shooter, but its just as dark and moody as everything else out there.)

For my personal tastes, Microsoft and Sony has nothing for me. Period.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #179 on:** June 30, 2006, 07:56:34 AM »

Too Human looked lackluster because the moves the character was doing were clearly automated: in the short demo I saw, he performed the same set of moves 3-4 times, always with the same finishing action. Also, the "kill hordes and hordes of similar enemies" genre has been done to death. If I wanted to play that, I'd play Gauntlet.

I liked the looks of Gears of War and Prey. I can buy Prey for my PC (mac laptop running boot camp *cough*) and I very likely will.

Ceric · « **Reply #180 on:** June 30, 2006, 08:04:41 AM »

You can afford a MacLaptop and Windows... I don't like you very much right now...

Ian Sane · « **Reply #181 on:** June 30, 2006, 08:27:03 AM »

"There is alot of variety in not just games, but in presenation and personality with the system. The same can't be said about other systems. (Jaks and Daks is a great example. Its a platformer/shooter, but its just as dark and moody as everything else out there.)"

What's the difference between that and what Nintendo does? Everything by Sony is dark and moody and everything by Nintendo to super fun happy candy land. Now you'll probably say that regarding Nintendo that's not true. Well it probably isn't with Sony either.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #182 on:** June 30, 2006, 09:46:09 AM »

Ian Sane:

Zelda is not fun and happy. Its a nice medium with sometimes very dark elements.

Metroid is dark with a scifi technoatmosphere. Not Super fun happy.

Star Fox isn't Super Fun Happy.

Advanced Wars is cute characters, but it is just typical anime.

So Umm...only the Mario universe games are really super fun happy.

JonLeung · « **Reply #183 on:** June 30, 2006, 10:06:31 AM »

Spak, don't forget Pokémon and Kirby! Those are super happy fun! (I'm behind on my Yoshi games but those are too.)

Though I guess the major Kirby villains are pretty creepy, but no one who's insecure would play that far and it's not like the villain determines the moods of those games.

It's like no one calls Halo "childish" because its villain is a happy, egotistical, singing bally robot.

With Zelda and Metroid for the Wii launch (or at least within the launch window in a less ideal scenario) people will be slower to call the Wii "Super Happy". First impressions apparently mean a lot.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #184 on:** June 30, 2006, 10:41:29 AM »

Kirby I would keep in the super fun happy. But Pokemon at least has a vastly different theme.

Actually Kirby looks bright, but again themes and how you play is vastly different as well.

I am not just talking about graphics but overall content of the games.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #185 on:** June 30, 2006, 11:08:05 AM »

sorry, nintendo fails at advertising themes, the public only sees the candy coated shells of box art and screenshots.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #186 on:** June 30, 2006, 10:45:58 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"There is alot of variety in not just games, but in presenation and personality with the system. The same can't be said about other systems. (Jaks and Daks is a great example. Its a platformer/shooter, but its just as dark and moody as everything else out there.)"

What's the difference between that and what Nintendo does? Everything by Sony is dark and moody and everything by Nintendo to super fun happy candy land. Now you'll probably say that regarding Nintendo that's not true. Well it probably isn't with Sony either.

Let's say for arguments sake that Nintendo is mostly fun and cuddly, well considering that 80% of the games out there have the same theme, and similar design, then that makes Nintendo the unique one

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Spak-Spang · « **Reply #187 on:** July 01, 2006, 04:39:25 AM »

VGrevolution:

Besides that. (Though you are completely right. Nintendo completely stands out with their now "unique" game design.)

I pointed out how flawed that logic is.

The number of super fun cute games for Nintendo is like 5

Mario Sports series
Mario Games
Kirby Games

Quirky Designed oddball games:
Wario Ware
Animal Crossing
EarthBound

Generic Anime Design:
Advanced Wars
Fire Emblem

Fantasy Theme/slightly mature theme:
The Legend of Zelda

Dark Sci-Fi Theme and atmosphere:
Metroid Series
F-Zero

Super Happy Fun RPG:
Pokemon

Comedy Series:
Super Mario RPGs (Paper Mario/Super Saga stuff)

Nintendo's franchises are full of variety in style, atmosphere, gameplay, ect.

I am not saying there isn't variety in the other systems. Their definately is. However, that variety usually isn't filled by the systems big hitters. Their AAA games that will sell systems, instead that variety is filled by 3rd parties...usually making games for a younger audience that aren't great.

Ceric · « **Reply #188 on:** July 01, 2006, 08:05:58 AM »

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It's like no one calls Halo "childish" because its villain is a happy, egotistical, singing bally robot.

Is that true??? I want to see a picture of that. Or better yet a video.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #189 on:** July 01, 2006, 08:32:22 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ceric
You can afford a MacLaptop and Windows... I don't like you very much right now...

I've been saving money since I was 12 when I started work answering tech support calls.

Ceric · « **Reply #190 on:** July 01, 2006, 08:42:38 AM »

Cool, Cool.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #191 on:** July 01, 2006, 12:12:21 PM »

Spak you are definately right, personally I my big problem with the dark and "Mature" games is that they usually lack creativity. This is probaly because they are aiming more towards realism, which in itself can limit what you can do with a game. Not only that but most of the mainstream gameplay experiences feel the same, especially first person shooters (Prey seems fun, from what I played of the demo but it still feels like every other FPS). Games like Mario and Zelda open up so many gameplay possibilities since you are dealing with a fantasy world where ANYTHING can happen.

Kairon · « **Reply #192 on:** July 01, 2006, 02:21:45 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ceric
You can afford a MacLaptop and Windows... I don't like you very much right now...

I've been saving money since I was 12 when I started work answering tech support calls.

You worked the Tech Support Help line at 12 YEARS OLD?!?!?! you...have my respect sir..

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

couchmonkey · « **Reply #193 on:** July 05, 2006, 07:36:58 AM »

Child labour is the wave of the future!

All three of the consoles have their "niche" in terms of game style, and that will always be the case, because people love to categorize stuff. Sony is categorized as dark, even though PS2 has probably the highest selection of brightly-coloured anime games. Nintendo is categorized as I LOVE HALO 2 (for kids*), even though it has Metroid and sometimes Zelda. Microsoft is categorized as boobs and guns, even though it has...oh right, that's all it has.

*that's right, I was pwned by the filter

KDR_11k · « **Reply #194 on:** July 05, 2006, 08:36:44 AM »

Sony is categorized as dark, even though PS2 has probably the highest selection of brightly-coloured anime games.

It's their godawful shading system. The PS2's lighting has a very distinct look.

SixthAngel · « **Reply #195 on:** July 10, 2006, 07:47:03 PM »

The pointer going wrong will absolutely not happen.
Did anyone here have a Sega Genesis and buy the Menacer gun?

I did and it is basically a sensorbar and a gun. You calibrate it once and you are done, shooting at the screen worked fine with no problems. This is back in the genesis/snes days, I think Nintendo can have this even substantially improved for the Wii.

Kairon · « **Reply #196 on:** July 10, 2006, 08:16:45 PM »

Was that a sensorbar or an IR receiver? The Superscope also had an IR object you had to plug into a controller slot, you calibrated it once in a blue moon, and shot away. This item was an IR receiver: the superscope merely transfered data to the IR receiver, but it operated exactly like a light gun.

I think it's safe to say that the Menacer and Superscope were actual lightguns, and not at all like the Wiimote pointer.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Zach · « **Reply #197 on:** July 10, 2006, 08:57:04 PM »

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Originally posted by: JonLeung

It's like no one calls Halo "childish" because its villain is a happy, egotistical, singing bally robot.

Is that true??? I want to see a picture of that. Or better yet a video.

WARNING: SPOILERS

I think this is what you were talking about

video

Kairon · « **Reply #198 on:** July 10, 2006, 09:10:21 PM »

I thought that guilty spark wasn't a villain...just a side character?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #199 on:** July 10, 2006, 09:21:41 PM »

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I thought that guilty spark wasn't a villain...just a side character?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

After watching the video, I think it becomes clear that he is indeed a villian.

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Author Topic: The Big Thread of Wii Launch Pessimism: All the things that could go wrong! (Read 57080 times)