Author Topic: The Big Thread of Wii Launch Pessimism: All the things that could go wrong! (Read 56928 times)

Fierce_LiNk · « **Reply #125 on:** June 20, 2006, 01:22:35 PM »

I agree with the above comment. The first i loved about the name was how different it was. That immediately made it cool, as it was quite unique.
I was also trying to think about what the name meant. Wii? Is it an abbreviation? How do you pronounce it? Is it We or Why? Does it matter how you pronounce it? Stuff like that. It had a shroud of mystery around it.

What worries me about the launch is that Nintendo won't advertise it, or if the 360 or PS3 take away too much attention away from the launch. Nintendo need to get off to a good start.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #126 on:** June 20, 2006, 01:38:30 PM »

Fierce: That is my only real concern to. See, Nintendo is set up to be in a great position come launch. But, marketing the Wii is going to be difficult. In a way it is going to take a different approach completely trying to reach nongamers and gamers. And I believe the system shouldn't be advertised alone buy advertised with games, or with sets of games appealing to different broad ranges of people.

As it stands advertising the Wii and getting the name out is going to be one of the most difficult advertising campaigns ever. Personally, I hope Nintendo doesn't do this in house, but hires an advertising firm to do a huge imaging campaign correctly.

Fierce_LiNk · « **Reply #127 on:** June 20, 2006, 01:40:50 PM »

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Fierce: That is my only real concern to. See, Nintendo is set up to be in a great position come launch. But, marketing the Wii is going to be difficult. In a way it is going to take a different approach completely trying to reach nongamers and gamers. And I believe the system shouldn't be advertised alone buy advertised with games, or with sets of games appealing to different broad ranges of people.

As it stands advertising the Wii and getting the name out is going to be one of the most difficult advertising campaigns ever. Personally, I hope Nintendo doesn't do this in house, but hires an advertising firm to do a huge imaging campaign correctly.

It would be a good idea to adverise with a different firm, i agree. I personally like the Honda adverts on tv. If Nintendo could form a partnership with the likes of Honda and Coca Cola, that would help a great deal with advertising.

Ceric · « **Reply #128 on:** June 20, 2006, 01:45:44 PM »

Maybe they'll do a campaign that it is some sort of mystery. It would span the Internet, TV, Radio and Sports. It would show up as a sponsor for CNN and Fox news something or other. It would bring you the big sporting event. Closer to release then it would be revealed for what it is. Then it could show up on Price is Right! When was the last time you saw gaming anything on Price is Right?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #129 on:** June 20, 2006, 01:46:10 PM »

Reggie smashing through brick walls like THE JUGGERNAUT and throwing CARS with a wave of the Wii Remote using The Force would be sufficient advertising.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #130 on:** June 20, 2006, 01:47:11 PM »

But do Honda or Coca Cola do their own advertising, or do they freelance? It is important to actually work with a brand firm when creating a new brand. They understand how to build and create hype and interest in something new.

Remember it isn't Nintendo Wii.

But just Wii.

Fierce_LiNk · « **Reply #131 on:** June 20, 2006, 01:55:43 PM »

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
But do Honda or Coca Cola do their own advertising, or do they freelance? It is important to actually work with a brand firm when creating a new brand. They understand how to build and create hype and interest in something new.

Remember it isn't Nintendo Wii.

But just Wii.

Good point. I think Honda and Coca Cola do theirs 'in-house'.
Anyway, lets see what they come up with. The DS ads are half decent so maybe they've learnt?

Ceric · « **Reply #132 on:** June 20, 2006, 02:13:40 PM »

But both of those brands went through the brunt of the 80's and get tempered in the Cola Wars.

Donutt007 · « **Reply #133 on:** June 20, 2006, 02:46:56 PM »

Ya, never thought of the advertising side of it, they need to get that right. They should do some stuff to catch people off guard. Like "wii will be right back, after these commercials" I thought the "touching is good" promo they did for DS was pretty good and got some attention.

The other thing that does worry me is in store Kiosks. This is something they absolutly have to get right if they want people to follow the whole "Playing = Believing" thing. They have to find a way to secure the product, but still have it function almost wirelessly. Although I didn't see how they were set-up at E3, so I'm sure they got it all figured out.

Ceric · « **Reply #134 on:** June 20, 2006, 03:58:27 PM »

"After these messages Wiil be right back!" I forgot what the original was from.

Oh, Kiosk Security. Meet Bruno. He is my Customer Satisfaction and Marketting Researcher. Don't mind the near ripping shirt.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #135 on:** June 20, 2006, 06:35:18 PM »

Ceric: It was from the general Saturday morning cartoons of one of the big networks.

They used claymation and other animation and that jingle before the commercial breaks.

Ceric · « **Reply #136 on:** June 20, 2006, 06:43:31 PM »

I know it wasn't Fox or WB. Reboot and Mr. Bumby goes Bump in the Night was ABC. So it must be them.

Kairon · « **Reply #137 on:** June 20, 2006, 06:57:53 PM »

'Twas ABC. I remember from watching Winnie the Pooh.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

EasyCure · « **Reply #138 on:** June 22, 2006, 03:22:53 PM »

know what would suck?

if Wii did reach all non-gamers, but those non-gamers becamse gamers and were pursuaded by sony and ms fanboys to hate on nintendo cuz its the thing that gamers do, so they all buy a ps360

please let me in, please · « **Reply #139 on:** June 22, 2006, 03:34:35 PM »

If the Wii is a huge success, and more and more gamers come out of it, then Microsoft and Sony ( if Sony is still alive by then), might try to copy this idea and make it better for their next system, combining the best available graphics with amazing gameplay.

THAT WOULD SUCK FOR NINTENDO.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #140 on:** June 22, 2006, 10:03:01 PM »

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Originally posted by: please let me in, please
If the Wii is a huge success, and more and more gamers come out of it, then Microsoft and Sony ( if Sony is still alive by then), might try to copy this idea and make it better for their next system, combining the best available graphics with amazing gameplay.

THAT WOULD SUCK FOR NINTENDO.

Not really if Nintendo can regain a large market share this time, they will have more to play with (since it has rejuvenated the Nintendo brand). Now if the Wii had GC like success, it could be a problem, but I think if it sells to the masses, then Nintendo's next system will be able to compete on a pretty even level with the new MS or Sony system. It will come down to games, and if Nintendo can get third party support for the Wii that will carry over to their next system.

Kairon · « **Reply #141 on:** June 24, 2006, 10:51:49 AM »

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5 . Lackluster online support at launch
We already know that SSBB isn't going to make it at launch (it's landing 2007 sometime), and we already know that Metroid 3 won't be online either. Pangya may not be online either. But what if CoD isn't online, or Red Steel, or Need For Speed Carbon! We know almost nothing about specific Wii games going online, all we have is speculation and vague promises. Maybe Nintendo hasn't even gotten everything worked out yet, maybe it'll be like the DS: online sometime later?

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10. Third Party ports don't make good use of Wiimote functionality
Perhaps less ambitious third party releases like Call of Duty 3 and Need For Speed: Carbon that are intended for multi-system release won't have enough care put into their porting to make good use of the Wiimote and thus feel clunky, un-fun and inferior. Luckily, EA has avoided this possibility by devoting one entire studio just for Wii ports, so Madden is safe.

BEHOLD! Pessimism such as this yields results!

Carbon not online or motion-sensitive?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

nemo_83 · « **Reply #142 on:** June 24, 2006, 03:43:37 PM »

The biggest eph-ups they could make are charging too much for a console whose graphics say $149 at the most, not having a great online game at launch/ before Christmas (Mario Galaxy), and overcharging for VC games which aren't worth but 25 cents a piece if you ask me (when you could just as easily download whole libraries, first and third party games, all at once for free on your computer and save anywhere).

Zelda's controls need to be fixed. Red Steel's controls have been confirmed to have been "fixed."

The only way they can justify charging several dollars for ROMs is if the Wii allows you to use special simple game editing tools with old games (the experience doesn't have to end).

Kairon · « **Reply #143 on:** June 24, 2006, 04:39:59 PM »

Prepare yourself for extreme disappointment Nemo.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Magik · « **Reply #144 on:** June 24, 2006, 06:19:23 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon

5 . Lackluster online support at launch
We already know that SSBB isn't going to make it at launch (it's landing 2007 sometime), and we already know that Metroid 3 won't be online either. Pangya may not be online either. But what if CoD isn't online, or Red Steel, or Need For Speed Carbon! We know almost nothing about specific Wii games going online, all we have is speculation and vague promises. Maybe Nintendo hasn't even gotten everything worked out yet, maybe it'll be like the DS: online sometime later?

Its starting too look more and more like the Wii will release with a poor online service in terms of launch games and even possibly future games.

Metroid and Pangya is confirmed to have no online support at the moment.
Zelda will obviously have no online support.
We have no info on Red Steel.

Hopefully this changes as we get near the launch.

Its not exactly the best way to start a new console with very little online support.

AnyoneEB · « **Reply #145 on:** June 24, 2006, 07:48:41 PM »

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The only way they can justify charging several dollars for ROMs is if the Wii allows you to use special simple game editing tools with old games (the experience doesn't have to end).

Uh, there's plenty of ROM hacking tools around. It would be cool, but it is already quite possible.

Ceric · « **Reply #146 on:** June 24, 2006, 08:22:56 PM »

You know in a way the online thing is Silly. It has to be better than on the Gamecube or the same and from what I can tell it's as easy as doing it on the computer when you do it for the Cube. We all know how connected computer games are. The stuff has been out to do online for a while and because of the similar architecture I doubt it really changed that much. Hardware kept more people back then anything. The network adapter was just not really out there. PSO wasn't a new must have title so it didn't take off like FFXI for PS2. I mean I remember when the Modem and the Network adapter came out. You could pick them up easily at Walmart and it seem like Nintendo really thought more titles would use them both. That didn't happen.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #147 on:** June 26, 2006, 05:46:54 AM »

Online will work out fine for Wii. It's not going to be the main selling point anyway. Look at DS, people are flocking to online with it, but it's because the DS offers everything plus free online games, not because it offers a huge fancy online experience like Xbox 360.

Online will come and it will be good enough, but I'm sure Xbox 360 is going to offer a better experience - the problem is you have to pay for it. Overall I don't think this will hurt Nintendo too much anyway, because online has relatively little to do with what makes Wii an exciting system. Probably a few hardcore gamers will ignore Wii or buy Wii and another console with better online, but I don't see it hurting Nintendo much.

Ceric · « **Reply #148 on:** June 26, 2006, 07:13:24 AM »

I don't either unless developers avoid going online when it makes more sense than god. Like making a new PSO that isn't online, not a new episode an honest to god new PSO with the care that the first episode was given and no rehashing like with the 2nd episode or cards like the 3rd. Then I be worried.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #149 on:** June 26, 2006, 08:33:47 AM »

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The biggest eph-ups they could make are charging too much for a console whose graphics say $149 at the most

I'm sorry, but that is one of the most superficial statements I have ever seen posted here.

Do 360 graphics say $400 at most? No
Do PS3 graphics say $600 at most? No
Heck, do PS2 graphics say $129? No!

If the games are good enough, the price is worth it, period.

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