Author Topic: The Big Thread of Wii Launch Pessimism: All the things that could go wrong! (Read 56915 times)

Strell · « **Reply #75 on:** June 15, 2006, 08:55:09 PM »

WE WILL NEED A GIANT ENEMY CRAB TO COMBAT HIM!

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #76 on:** June 15, 2006, 09:11:53 PM »

LOOK

IT'S RIDGE RACER!

RIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER!!!!

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #77 on:** June 15, 2006, 10:26:40 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Why do we expect perfect in every element of the control the very first time we see it."

Well I don't recall any controller issues with the Cube at its first E3. It's not uncommon for games to be unpolished at E3 but I don't think the controller itself for a Nintendo console has had issues at the show before.

That comparison is not really fair, the Wii controller is a new way to interact with your system (both technologically and control wise) and with it comes bugs that need to be worked out. I can pretty much guarantee you that these problems will not be that common (if at all) when you bring the Wii home, I do not believe Nintendo would release a console with such a severe flaw in it. Things will be fine, so don't worry about it.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #78 on:** June 16, 2006, 01:57:35 AM »

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Originally posted by: mantidor
here we go again

"1. Your Gamecube is gathering dust because Nintendo didn't bring enough 1st party support to acquire the sales which result in better 3rd party support."

I play my GC almost daily, and I still have plenty of games I havent bought and I want.

"2. Releasing Twilight Princess on the GC and only the GC would be putting high octane gas into a broken car."

So? I couldn't care less.

"3. Nintendo needs to convince everyone that the Wii can sell the big numbers so that developers will feel safe in developing for the console, thus ensuring AAA 3rd party titles for the duration of its life span. The GC did not make these numbers and it suffered immensely."

and they are going to prove that the wii can push millions of software units with Zelda? LOL, that sure is going to convince third parties yes sarcasm... maybe if Red Steel has good sales third parties can be confident, but Zelda selling well in a Nintendo console is the status quo, its no indication of anything, third parties arent stupid.

"If you want to argue, write up a compelling argument about how, despite all evidence to the contrary, the GC has received consistent excellent titles throughout its entire life span, enough that 3rd party developers have shown unrelenting support for the console and in no way are large 3rd party devs dropping support for the console altogether (Midway, Akklaim, etc.)."

I dont understand this at all. The wii isnt going to break apart if it has no TP, why do you think that the wii is "doomed" if such thing happens? A single game will never save a console, not even the "all mighty" ocarina could do it. The GC didnt have -just- the problem of a lackluster launch, it has media storage problems , it has a long period without any games, its marketing sucked big time, it had already lost a lot of ground to playstation's brand and recognition, etc, etc ,etc. It was a whole lot of problems, not -just- the launch.

"Twilight Princess will be the Wii's #1 selling title at launch, I guarantee it. It will probably be the game which will be credited for pushing the most Wiis at launch and will provide a compelling reason to own the console years after launch (just like Halo for the Xbox). In fact, I'd bet an appendage or two that TP sales will blow Halo 3 sales clean out of the water."

Thats absolutely NOT going to happen. At the best case scenario the number of sales for the two games maybe will be comparable. Stop pretending that Zelda is allmighty and omnipotent, thats just fanboyism. The compelling reason to buy the console is very likely to be wiisports, and I wouldnt be surprised if the game outsells Zelda, or any other "non-game" for that matter.

The launch of the wii and the console itself isnt going to be doomed if you remove TP from it, the wii has the right price, the right software and finally, the right image with the gaming public (the name notwithstanding). It will help obviously, Ive never denied it, but it isnt a make-or-break deal for the console.

Jesus Christ...

Is your bitterness towards the Wii version of TP so big that you are willing to cloud yourself to the truth right in front of you? That you are willing to argue against the one thing you believe in?

To be honest, I would've LOVED to have played Twilight Princess back on Fall 2005, when it was confirmed that the game would be launching that year. And I will confess I was sad when they delayed it many times. But you know what? If in order for the Wii to be a HUGE success at launch it meant having to delay the game in order to release it alongside it, I am fine with the decision.

WHY are you saying that the Wii version of TP will not sell? Out of all the titles being announced for the Wii, the biggest of them all is easily TP. TP was Japan's number 1 game at E3 for God's sake. The anticipation for this game is high and Nintendo knows that. Not even the bad press the game got before and after E3 is going to change the fact that people want this game and BADLY. They know that the anticipation and hype towards TP is high enough that it will push their brand new console and we all know, even you, that Nintendo needs to push their new console onto the market and HARD.

Engrave these words onto your mind...

NINTENDO WILL MARKET THE HELL OUT OF THE WII VERSION OF TWILIGHT PRINCESS.

You can sit in your little corner and say "LALALALALALALALA I AM NOT LISTENING!", but you know damn well that this will not happen. Nintendo ignored the Gamecube in favor of the Wii at E3. They only had the Wii version of TP at E3. They know that pushing the Wii version of the game will create an awareness of both the new Nintendo console and the game that the GC version of TP would not have been able to do on its own.

But I guess we are the only ones that care about Nintendo's future. I mean, you guys pretty much proved that you don't give a crap about them just as long as they release the games and they keep you fat and happy...

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #79 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:44:58 AM »

Well, Factor 5's no longer Nintendo's unwanted friend, so there's no danger of another disaster like Rogue Leader to drag down the launch. What could possibly go wrong?

JonLeung · « **Reply #80 on:** June 16, 2006, 04:43:32 AM »

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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Well, Factor 5's no longer Nintendo's unwanted friend, so there's no danger of another disaster like Rogue Leader to drag down the launch. What could possibly go wrong?

"Disaster like Rogue Leader"? Excuse me? That was the best GameCube launch day game! (Or are you being sarcastic? >_< ) Now, I was never good at any game involving flight but when the first drought of good games hit, I played that to death and soon earned all the Gold and Ace medals. Yes, I survived the three-and-a-half hour Endurance mission - TWICE. I'm proud of having played Rogue Leader, but I might not have if there were more decent games at launch.

Now Rogue Squadron III...what was it now...Rebel Strike? The one with some on-foot missions? Man, oh, man, now THAT was definitely a disaster. That version of Endurance was pathetic when it turned out all you literally have to do is mash both the shoot and jump buttons to survive without putting in any intellectual effort. Besides the lack of challenge, Rebel Strike felt sloppy...

Ian Sane · « **Reply #81 on:** June 16, 2006, 07:05:53 AM »

"I do not believe Nintendo would release a console with such a severe flaw in it."

Well they did release a videogame system that could cause permanent eye damage. I'll admit overall they're trustworthy though.

Ceric · « **Reply #82 on:** June 16, 2006, 07:10:33 AM »

I'm finished, that took a while. Fun factoid. Any consumer electronic product, think iPod, Mobile phones, GBA, etc., that has a pink version released. That version sells through the roof. So they say the pink is the new black, which I then tell people when my toner starts coming in pink I'll beleive them.

E3 is never a good setting for wireless appliances from what I can tell. I mean I guess you could build a Pherite cage, I think I have the term right (Its a cage made out of a copper mesh that blacks out unwanted signals), but I think the FCC would have a problem with that. I wonder how the Wavebird would perform under such conditions? I mean the whole Nintendo area could only have 16 because of there humongous range.

If Zelda was release right now for the Cube then Yeah I say Nintendo was shooting themselves in the foot. Last year no. This year yes. But lets say there is a precision strike on Nintendo and all assets to make TP were lost.
Would it hurt the launch? Sure.
Would it hurt it more then scraping your knee? Probably not.

Nintendo is still showing a strong launch lineup. In my opinion losing MP3 would hurt more than TP. MP3 has the potential to show off the controls in a genre that is largely unfilled on Nintendo platforms. A genre that people are anxious to see proven with this new control scheme. Everyone has faith that Zelda will be excellent. It comes with the pedigree.

On with the pessimism. Now that you mention it. I would really hate for a another perfectly good Space combat game to have walking around areas that were more than just pauses between missions. What I want. I want Privateer. That's what I want. The best game of the Wing Commander series and the only game to have get what it was trying to do 100% correct, unfortunately it was also one of the games that couldn't make the transition to Win95+. I want to fly a ship and I want to blow things up. Even if it's on rails. I also like to have Serious Sam game. Kill everything, darn the puzzles.

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #83 on:** June 16, 2006, 07:12:39 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"I do not believe Nintendo would release a console with such a severe flaw in it."

Well they did release a videogame system that could cause permanent eye damage. I'll admit overall they're trustworthy though.

Well the VB flaws had to do with the lack of tech to adequately achieve their ambition, VR just wasn't at the level needed at the time, Motion sensing on the other hadn shouldn't be an issue, as its a much more mature technology.

Kairon · « **Reply #84 on:** June 16, 2006, 07:24:01 AM »

Yeah, even Freelancer can't quite capture the nostalgia of Privateer for me.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #85 on:** June 16, 2006, 07:41:28 AM »

On the subject, my worst fear is that they rush SSBB like they did SSBM. Because of Melee, I refuse to get excited about Brawl.

Aside from disgracing itself with clones (especially turning Ganondorf from an evil wizard into an evil ninja), there are a number of ways we can see that the game is clearly unfinished.

But the worst is balance, as the character tiers are VERY evident. I enjoy playing as Bowser because I see him as somewhat of a handicap, and while I do well, I don't always win. When I play as Fox (and I don't even consider myself a good Fox player) I never lose. In SSBM, speed is everything. If the same problem still exists in Brawl, I will be ROYALLY pissed...

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Originally posted by: mantidor Thats absolutely NOT going to happen. At the best case scenario the number of sales for the two games maybe will be comparable. Stop pretending that Zelda is allmighty and omnipotent, thats just fanboyism. The compelling reason to buy the console is very likely to be wiisports, and I wouldnt be surprised if the game outsells Zelda, or any other "non-game" for that matter.

The launch of the wii and the console itself isnt going to be doomed if you remove TP from it, the wii has the right price, the right software and finally, the right image with the gaming public (the name notwithstanding). It will help obviously, Ive never denied it, but it isnt a make-or-break deal for the console.

First of all, I never said anything about "dooming" the launch. I'm sure the Wii will launch well, but I'm sure it'll launch a hell of a lot better with TP.

Second, you seem to not realize that TP Wii was the #1 most anticipated E3 game in Japan, beating out FF13 at #2. It's things like that which make it possible to speculate that Nintendo has Japan in the bag.

3rd parties won't care about which software sells: all they'll care about is that a f*ckload of Wiis are sold on launch day, proving that people are willing to invest their money in a console with a new and unproven control scheme.

That, above ALL else, is what Nintendo needs to do right now: prove that their innovation will push consoles and sell through all 4 million of their initial Wii supply at an alarming rate. They need to get a user base established ASAP, and that'll come much faster from TP than it will from unproven non-games.

My last bit of pessimism? That they don't have TP ready in time for the Wii launch.

Kairon · « **Reply #86 on:** June 16, 2006, 08:08:22 AM »

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Originally posted by: mantidor
"One raindrop raises the ocean."

I agree, but I could live without the ocean being a milimeter higher, Im only complaining about one single raindrop after all .

Lol, the Dutch would beg to differ. Every millimeter higher the ocean gets is a millimeter closer they are to their DOOM! MUAHAHAHAHAHA! MUAHAHAHAHA! MUAHAHAHA*GACK*GEEZE*WHHEZE*SPUTTER*

*ahem*

Indeed.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

EasyCure · « **Reply #87 on:** June 16, 2006, 11:07:00 AM »

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Originally posted by: Crimm
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Originally posted by: EasyCure
what else could go wrong....i know...

every wii owner with a girlfriend has their wiimote stolen by them (the girlfriend) the second they get up to use the bathroom, and your wiimote is never to be seen again because she's using it as a sex toy while you're crying over the fact you can't play your with your Wii

I would count that as something going very very right.

ok so maybe im the jealous type. that and i'll probably take a week off of work to play Wii at launch, so having the controller stollen like that would still be wrong to me. though if every girl did that, im sure we'd see MUCH more non-games geared toward the female audience...and lots of needless rumble.

Ceric · « **Reply #88 on:** June 16, 2006, 11:21:33 AM »

It would not be needless. It would be intregral to the games play mechanics.

Magik · « **Reply #89 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:41:11 PM »

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

3rd parties won't care about which software sells: all they'll care about is that a f*ckload of Wiis are sold on launch day, proving that people are willing to invest their money in a console with a new and unproven control scheme.

3rd parties don't care about launch day sales since everybody knows that console launches ALWAYS sell out. Its the first year or two that will determine how they treat the system and also, how 3rd party titles sell will contribute to how much support if any they will put onto the system.

If Red Steel fails in terms of sales and gameplay - for the love of god, fix the problems -, the low 3rd party support the GC had might repeat itself on the Wii. Ubisoft is one of the big 3rd party developers in the world and if they screw up and Red Steel turns out like trash or sells like trash, other 3rd party developers who are on the fence on the Wii will shift focus to the 360 or PS3.

Strell · « **Reply #90 on:** June 16, 2006, 05:26:12 PM »

If you honestly think SSBM was rushed and a bad game, then you have absolutely unrealistically high expectations.

That's like being sad oxygen is so plentiful to help you stay alive.

vudu · « **Reply #91 on:** June 16, 2006, 05:33:55 PM »

Nintendo could not have the sensor bar ready in time for launch.

That's something that could go wrong in a big way.

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #92 on:** June 16, 2006, 06:56:56 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ceric
It would not be needless. It would be intregral to the games play mechanics.

lol at Sony for leaving it out

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #93 on:** June 16, 2006, 08:35:49 PM »

Stop that blasphemy, Smash Bro.

I suspect that the clone characters were intentional. Like, even if they had time to think of completely new move-sets, they would have kept the clones. I don't use them, but I know plenty of people who are much better with one clone than another.

Also, I've won against people playing Fox, while I was Bowser. And Bowser isn't even my good character (Marth/Sheik).

wandering · « **Reply #94 on:** June 16, 2006, 08:45:38 PM »

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Originally posted by: vudu
Nintendo could not have the sensor bar ready in time for launch.

That's something that could go wrong in a big way.

Eh. They haven't finalized the design. Doesn't really look Nintendo's having any major Blu-Ray-like problems with it.

Ghisy · « **Reply #95 on:** June 17, 2006, 12:00:26 AM »

I wasn't sure where to post that but I guess I'll do it here!
I'm a little annoyed with Wiimotes using batteries. Why can't Big N make them rechargeable?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #96 on:** June 17, 2006, 01:51:13 AM »

Cuz the fun will stop once you have to let it sit to recharge them?

EasyCure · « **Reply #97 on:** June 17, 2006, 08:15:36 AM »

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Originally posted by: Avinash_Tyagi
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Originally posted by: Ceric
It would not be needless. It would be intregral to the games play mechanics.

lol at Sony for leaving it out

hm...i recal there being some hypno-trance like game with techno music of some sort that came with an attachment that was a long black shaft that did nothing but vibrate as the levels got more intense. im almost positive i found a link to a 'girl gamer' site about it in these very forums! anyone know the game im talking about? i think it started with an R if that helps lol

oh and it was a ps2 game

EasyCure · « **Reply #98 on:** June 17, 2006, 08:33:19 AM »

sorry for the double posting, but back to the pessimism:

what if ubisoft was paid by soney to make red steel and intentionaly have it work like ass so that the Wii would suffer the same 3rd party problem as GCN?

and then they release it as a ps3 game and go "der dual sticks work better, look you can reload but shaking your controller!"

getter77 · « **Reply #99 on:** June 17, 2006, 11:32:44 AM »

Rez was the vibe game for the Ps2.

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Author Topic: The Big Thread of Wii Launch Pessimism: All the things that could go wrong! (Read 56915 times)