Author Topic: Finally, some SALES DATA... (Read 13215 times)

Smash_Brother · « **on:** June 09, 2006, 10:44:46 AM »

Game Sales Charts

This is a forum dedicated to NPD data and other lists of game sales, both in the US and beyond.

I apologize if others already have this info, but it took me a while to find it and I had always been looking for some solid data instead of speculation (which is usually all I had to go on with the US).

EDIT: Fixed the link.

willie1234 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 09, 2006, 11:07:18 AM »

interesting. The 360 seems to have picked up some momentum post e3, but overall, in north america sales seem to be somewhat flat for it being the only next gen system out.

I wonder if this is not due to the price. If so, it does not bode well for the ps3 at all. A surge in ps2 sales, related to price cuts shown in the above link, seem to indicate that the console market is very sensitive to price.

Another possibility is that consumers are waiting until all 3 are out to evaluate which to buy. This would give ps3 a window of opportunity.

Overall, I am surprised the 360 is not doing better.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #2 on:** June 09, 2006, 11:30:21 AM »

I also notice that the PSP is supposedly outselling the DS in the US, but at the same time, there isn't even a SINGLE PSP game in the top 20.

Also, Mario DDR made a strong comeback, according to Best Buy, and of course, NSMB topped the Best Buy charts for two weeks.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #3 on:** June 09, 2006, 11:35:29 AM »

I think 360 is just dealing with the post-launch drought. Right now PS2 has everything but power going for it compared to Xbox 360: a huge game lineup, lower price, and an equal or larger selection of new releases, led by Kingdom Hearts II. The number of 360 games near the top of the chart is pretty impressive (although higher pricing may be boosting them a bit).

It'll be interesting to see if the PS3 launch throws some cold water on the PS2 fire. If I remember right, Xbox actually kept selling well in North America last Christmas, but now it has definitely died down.

Kairon · « **Reply #4 on:** June 09, 2006, 01:54:53 PM »

I don't think 220,000 units a month is bad. The DS sells that much in Japan in the same amount of time, right?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Jin-X · « **Reply #5 on:** June 09, 2006, 02:32:33 PM »

So what the hell are people buying the PSP for? Fashion accesory?

Ages · « **Reply #6 on:** June 09, 2006, 03:11:11 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
I don't think 220,000 units a month is bad. The DS sells that much in Japan in the same amount of time, right?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

The DS tends to selle about that much every two weeks...so yah, being the only next gen system out, it 360 isnt doing so hot

ShyGuy · « **Reply #7 on:** June 09, 2006, 05:55:01 PM »

Who is buying all these PSPs? Does Kutaragi have a garage full of them?

IceCold · « **Reply #8 on:** June 09, 2006, 07:03:21 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
I don't think 220,000 units a month is bad. The DS sells that much in Japan in the same amount of time, right?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Try tripling that..

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 09, 2006, 07:21:08 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
I don't think 220,000 units a month is bad. The DS sells that much in Japan in the same amount of time, right?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

The DS in Japan sells that amount in about a week, not a month.
Japanese sales charts are released every week, Check them out your self

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #10 on:** June 09, 2006, 07:22:52 PM »

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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Who is buying all these PSPs? Does Kutaragi have a garage full of them?

My conspiracy theory is that Sony is either lying on sales figures or shipment figures.

It doesn't add up. The PSP's tie in ratio for software is horrible. If the hardware sales figures are to be believed, it means that 50% of PSP buyers bought the system without buying a game.

What are they using it for? The iPod is a better movie/mp3 player and if they want movies, they can get a portable DVD player for $70 and up which uses the media format which they've been buying all the long anyway.

This is why I'm convinced that Sony isn't being entirely forthcoming about their numbers. It just doesn't add up.

Kairon · « **Reply #11 on:** June 09, 2006, 07:44:43 PM »

They're buying it because they think it's cheese. That you can listen to outside.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #12 on:** June 09, 2006, 08:10:53 PM »

yep, that site is great, have been checking for a long while now (since last year)

about sony, the thing is, the numbers they release are just shipment numbers, not actual sales....which is decieving, since it doesn't tell us how many have actually been sold.......I bet like 6.000.000 are sitting in warehouses gathering dust...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #13 on:** June 09, 2006, 08:28:27 PM »

NPD does list sales by polling retailers, however they extrapolate Walmart sales and such. Depending on how accurate the extrapolation is many of those PSP sales may never have happened.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #14 on:** June 09, 2006, 08:42:03 PM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k Depending on how accurate the extrapolation is many of those PSP sales may never have happened.

I'm assuming so because like I said, I have a hard time believing that people will pay $249 for a piece of hardware which is too big to fit in a pocket, only plays proprietary movies, has much cheaper alternatives on the market for all it's purposes (iPod shuffle $69 + portable DVD player $70 = $139) and isn't even being bought with a game.

Deguello · « **Reply #15 on:** June 09, 2006, 10:27:25 PM »

KDR is correct. The NPD does not get data from the following retail outlets:

1. Toys'R'Us - The largest Toy store
2. Amazon - The largest seller of videogames online
3. Walmart - The spawn of Satan and coincidentally the biggest videogame retailer in the United States.

Earlier (2004) they claimed as a top mark that their accuracy is 57% of the market. This went down everytime Walmart opened a store, somebody bought something online, or some EB went out of business/merged with Gamestop. This has probably even gone down to as far as 45%-50%, which is truly not representative of tha American Market. Their numbers are "trusted" by default as they have no competitor, AND you have to pay through the nose to even see the data.

Since such a huge chunk of data is missing and they simply guess the numbers by assuming the game sold as well in the other part of the data, it doesn't seem so bad until you realize that the EB shopper and the Walmart shopper are two totally different beasts. KLike KDR said, they may be grossly exaggerating or fearfully underestimating the true game and console sales.

This is totally opposite to the Japanese market, as they have many stat tracking services performed for free with 70% market accuracy.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #16 on:** June 10, 2006, 01:32:58 AM »

Really though if PSP was keeping up with DS I wouldn't be surprised, it seems about every place I go to the PSP is right out in the open with TONS of accessories, yet NDS is jammed in a corner somewhere. If you were to judge a system's sucess by how visible and impressive its display is, then PSP would be stomping the heck out of NDS.

Artimus · « **Reply #17 on:** June 10, 2006, 06:46:22 AM »

I really dont see how you can have sales data that doesn't include WalMart. I mean, Nintendo probably does their best sales there.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #18 on:** June 10, 2006, 09:15:09 AM »

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Originally posted by: Artimus
I really dont see how you can have sales data that doesn't include WalMart.

Me neither, but I'll take this over, well...nothing.

If Best Buy shows that NSMB topped the charts for two weeks, I can tell that it sold very well in the US, at least.

If only Nintendo released their own sales data...

couchmonkey · « **Reply #19 on:** June 10, 2006, 01:04:10 PM »

It is weird that there are no PSP games on the list, but I don't doubt the hardware sales, I guess some people are just using it for it's other functions, and the rest are splitting their game choices up...there are actually a lot of games on the system, most of them are just faceless generic stuff.

It would be interesting to see software sales from March, when Daxter was released.

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #20 on:** June 10, 2006, 01:50:50 PM »

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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
It would be interesting to see software sales from March, when Daxter was released.

daxter?

nowhere to be seen

ruby_onix · « **Reply #21 on:** June 10, 2006, 02:33:26 PM »

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Originally posted by: Deguello
KDR is correct. The NPD does not get data from the following retail outlets:

1. Toys'R'Us - The largest Toy store
2. Amazon - The largest seller of videogames online
3. Walmart - The spawn of Satan and coincidentally the biggest videogame retailer in the United States.

Earlier (2004) they claimed as a top mark that their accuracy is 57% of the market. This went down everytime Walmart opened a store, somebody bought something online, or some EB went out of business/merged with Gamestop. This has probably even gone down to as far as 45%-50%, which is truly not representative of tha American Market. Their numbers are "trusted" by default as they have no competitor, AND you have to pay through the nose to even see the data.

Since such a huge chunk of data is missing and they simply guess the numbers by assuming the game sold as well in the other part of the data, it doesn't seem so bad until you realize that the EB shopper and the Walmart shopper are two totally different beasts. KLike KDR said, they may be grossly exaggerating or fearfully underestimating the true game and console sales.

This is totally opposite to the Japanese market, as they have many stat tracking services performed for free with 70% market accuracy.

The top American political polls track something like 10,000 opinions in order to estimate 300,000,000. That's like what? 0.003%?

Deguello · « **Reply #22 on:** June 10, 2006, 04:05:43 PM »

If your point is that American political polls, on the whole, are inaccurate as well, you might have a point. However you are certainly overcounting the U.S. Population, AND assuming every person counted in the Population either chooses to vote, or is able to vote (whether blocked by age or legal disenfranchisement). Barely above 54% of the American Voting populaces vote in reality. Also, there are NUMEROUS political polls (AP, Pew, Zogby, Rasmussen, Gallup, as well as as each major news station having its own on occasion), each with their own methodology. And these only measure opinion, an intangible quality.

In contrast, there is only one Game Sales group in the US, and it doesn't even count the largest contributor to said game market. Its inaccuracy is distressing, especially since they don't say "well, this is only half the market that we have surveyed, take it or leave it." They simply crudely estimated based on the data given and then say "this is how everything sold last month."

SixthAngel · « **Reply #23 on:** June 10, 2006, 06:10:34 PM »

Top American political polls can be very wrong and if you for look them up they should tell you how wrong they could be (they never tell you on the news). To compare these two you would have to get rid of entire group that should be represented in the political poll, like those with a lower income, because that is what NPD does.
A statistics professor I had a while back said there are three levels of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

TrueNerd · « **Reply #24 on:** June 10, 2006, 08:44:18 PM »

I do have one friend that owns a PSP and doesn't own any games. He bought a 2 gig stick and put a bunch of emulated games on it, porn, and a couple tv shows. He is definitely someone that I would classify as a very casual gamer who spends most/all of his gaming time playing WOW. Maybe this is a cool thing to do, I don't know. It makes sense though, it is kinda silly to buy a PSP for its sh*t games.

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