Topic: PS3 repeating history?

[UncleBob]

I don't understand completly why using Blu-Ray for the PS3 is an issue.  Except for the PS1, PS2, XBox and XBox 360 - pretty much every other single system out there (major and minor) have used some kind of proprietary media.  No one knocks the PSP for playing games via UMD - it's the same concept.  Let's say that the Blu-Ray movie format completly bombs out and dies in two and a half months - as with the PSP/UMD Movie format - Just because the UMD Movie format died horribly, it doesn't mean that the PSP itself is going to die because of that...  It's almost like saying that the GBA is going to fail because GBA Video did so horribly.

[Ceric]

Your right the PSP has lots of Suicidal things.
Actually, all joking asside, UncleBob is right.  If Blu-Ray flops the cost to make a Blu-Ray disc is not like the cost of a cart for the N64.  They could still do alright.  Maybe even sell more games because of it.  Proprietory media is nothing new.  The extra storage over the Wii and XBox 360 will really help, Sony.  (I mean there are just not enough cutscenes in FF.  Sheesh. )

[Athrun Zala]

well, although not cart-like, BR discs are actually more expensive to produce compared to CD/DVD/HDDVD, and if BR is a mayor flop (I'm hoping that it is) I don't see prices lowering too much

[ThePerm]

yeah, nintendo uses a proprietary format for gamecube, and its price has worked out for games, if Blueray flops as a movie format, it can still be a viable game format. It does have a shitload of space on it.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k Well, the PS3 is cheaper than a Mac...

$599, and it's smaller than the PS3.

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k And the Mac will be so utterly obsolete that it could just as well break down. Unless you pay 2-3 times the price of a PS3 for a decent Mac.

I still have a mac laptop from 1999 which works just fine under OSX and is an ideal email, web, VPN machine. I also have a mac which is even older which runs as a file server and hasn't crashed in 2-3 years (again, OSX).

Since Apple still releases regular updates which support 7+ year old macs, it safe to say that consoles are obsolete years before macs become obsolete.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: UncleBob  No one knocks the PSP for playing games via UMD - it's the same concept.

Someone would have to play games on it first in order for that to happen.

I think the issue is that Sony is attempting to use the PS3 to push BluRay into the market instead of generating a market for it beforehand. The PS2 didn't push DVD: DVD was already established and the PS2 was a competitively priced DVD player.

The PS3 may be a competitively priced BluRay player, but Sony needs to convince the world they should care about that fact first (something they could not do with UMD, Minidisc and Betamax).

[Athrun Zala]

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Originally posted by: ThePerm
yeah, nintendo uses a proprietary format for gamecube, and its price has worked out for games, if Blueray flops as a movie format, it can still be a viable game format. It does have a shitload of space on it.

hte GC discs are just miniDVDs (I believe they use a special replicator), not some new, unproven format that need special factories to be made....

[IceCold]

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[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: IceCold
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Man you have to give Sony a break! I would like to see you slap a Dual Shock control shell over WarioWare Twisted and program a game demo in under a week. Yours wouldn't be perfect either you know! Some people, sheesh.

[Athrun Zala]

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Originally posted by: IceCold
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so, PS3 actually is a media center/game system/viagra substitute....

[KDR_11k]

Smash_Brother: 659€. PS3 deluxe is 599€.

[Spak-Spang]

I guess really this just shows how easy it is for a company (or politician, or anyone really) to be consumed with the power and opportunities given it.

Nintendo lost sight with the industry by keeping to its old traditional believes and not seeing technology change.

Sony has lost sight by believing the masses will buy anything PlayStation even if it comes with an outrageous price tag, or incorporate unproven and nonstandardized technology.  

$600.00 is a big risk for a consumer to buy a product that may or may not become the standard movie player device.  And as a video game system their is cheaper options that are just as powerful (Xbox 360) or a nice economic friendly counter option (Nintendo Wii).

If Microsoft can somehow push into the Japanese market I believe they would win the console majority this generation.  As it is.  I believe it may be split between Microsoft and Nintendo.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Smash_Brother: 659€. PS3 deluxe is 599€.

PS3 + 1 game (forget memory cards, extra controllers, etc.) = 669€+

Mac = 659€, bundled with tons of functionality software

Plus, the Mac is guaranteed to not be obsolete for 7-8 years and performs a variety of functions which the PS3 can never hope to achieve, and it's smaller and likely generates far less heat.

[KDR_11k]

PS3 + Linux =

Never mind that 600€ is the high end PS3 and 659€ is the low end Mac Mini. And don't count games for the PS3 since then we'd have to add the price of Windows (500€ as a standalone I think) since that's what you'll need for playing games on the system (well, that and a new computer since the Mini has no 3d performance).

But I think this whole discussion is pointless since a PC can be had for 180€ and can run Linux as well.

[nitsu niflheim]

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Originally posted by: BigJim
The HD tuner "box" doesn't apply to video games and/or Blu-Ray players.  The box is only necessary for cable/satellite/over-the-air TV reception. So they'll see a difference between the two as long as they use an HD cable.

oh, well then that's good to know.