Topic: SCEE denies stealing motion tech. Steals non-gamers.

[ruby_onix]

http://games.kikizo.com/news/200606/010.asp

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"We've had a positive reaction to the controller and obviously some people have asked if it's a last minute thing," Sony's European boss, David Reeves, told trade paper MCV. "It's not - it's been planned for around two and a half years."

So then, what was the Bananarang? A red herring?

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"If you have a device that includes 50 or 55 patents, you can't reveal it, as someone will try to file a patent to stop it. We have already had some positive feedback on it from publishers."

So they didn't tell us about the Dual Shake because they didn't want someone to steal it, LOLZ.

Also probably an attempted jab against Immersion. Hey Sony? Where's your rumble?

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"The name of the game is not market share, it's how fast we can grow the industry - our ambition is to grow 15 per cent a year on hardware and software if we can," Reeves told MCV.

"We want to try and double digital entertainment in the next five to six years. Whether we have 40, 50, or 60 per cent market share is not that important."

Sony's trying to steal the non-gamers now. LOLZ.

And with a $600 PS3, they're gonna be really lucky if they end up with 40% marketshare, even if the non-gamers don't show up in droves on the Wii like Iwata thinks.


Edit: Looking at the math, Sony wants to double the industry over the course of the next gen, and then they want 50% of it. Which means they don't expect anyone to buy the PS3. They aren't as dumb as they look.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Doesn't this belong in 'Other Systems' since this is all about PS3 and has nothing to do the the Wii?

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Confirmed.

[ruby_onix]

I thought it fit the trend of other PS3 mockings.

And gyros and non-gamers have everything to do with the Wii.

[Ymeegod]

Motion control isn't anything new.  Nintendo's going a few steps further since it's a full feature gyro and a pointer on top.  

As for the market share--why wouldn't sony be increasing?  It's that the whole idea of a business?  You claim bloody-murder but you're basicially looking for an excuse to attack sony which sounds like nothing more than a rant.

[TMW]

Totally.  If you're going to attack Sony, at least attack them on some real issues.

Like the fact Kutaragi sold his soul and a majority stock of Sony to Satan, who now orchestrates company policy.  

[BlackNMild2k1]

well Sony has to expand the market, it the only way they will reach an audience that can actually afford the PS3 and buy games.

[Bloodworth]

Roll-o-Rama was both in Nintendo's booth in 2002.  That was more than two years ago and was even more similar to the Sony controller than Wii.

[Ceric]

The tech there using is old hat.  Just admit it everyone.  No reason to go up in arms about it.  It's more all the stupid things that Sony keeps saying.  Sometimes you think they were ran by our dear Senate and President here in the US. (That's right Sony will soon start paying Nintendo employees more than there own and give them benefits.)

[Athrun Zala]

ROFL, two and a half year for a half-assed attempt at motion sensing?

yeah, like I'll believe that...

sony must die, seriously.....

[mantidor]

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Originally posted by: Ceric
The tech there using is old hat.  Just admit it everyone.  No reason to go up in arms about it.  It's more all the stupid things that Sony keeps saying.  Sometimes you think they were ran by our dear Senate and President here in the US. (That's right Sony will soon start paying Nintendo employees more than there own and give them benefits.)

Its not the technology itself, but the idea. Nintendo isnt really a technology company, they just use what exist already to implement it in games. But sony being an actual technology company with millions of dollars invested in research in the electronic field makes it even more tacky the steal of ideas from Nintendo. Again, not the technology, but the idea to implement it in games. The most groundbreaking console can arguably be said to be the NES, which from a pure technical standpoint wasn't innovative at all.

[ThePerm]

also then theres sony talking about how dual shock set the standard for controllers...and im thinking...yeah take a super nintendo controller and put n64 joysticks on it

[Ages]

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Originally posted by: ThePerm
also then theres sony talking about how dual shock set the standard for controllers...and im thinking...yeah take a super nintendo controller and put n64 joysticks on it

don't forget to add extra shoulders! if 2 is good, 4 must be fan-frickin-tastic!

[Smash_Brother]

A $600 console will not expand the market. It will SHRINK the market.

[Donutt007]

HAHA...the sony fanboys are worse than the nintendo fanboys. Sony didn't steal the motion idea from Nintendo, but Nintendo stole it from Microsoft...hahahahahaha

Long time coming

I still don't get it, if it was two years in the making why the hell make the batarang prototype?

[18 Days]

the batarang was the superior controller that was made fun of so Sony cried and changed back to the horrible orignal design.

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
A $600 console will not expand the market. It will SHRINK the market.

The PS3 WILL expand the market into the home of those who want a "cheap" Blu-ray player but don't necessarily play games BUT it will also shrink their MARKET SHARE.

 

[Ymeegod]

Yeah, MS published Motocross Maddness that came bundled with the freestyle pro long time ago.  What's funny is everyone attacks Sony but totally overlook the fact nintendo's stealing ideas as well *cough* built in dvd, dual usb ports, backswards playable, built in storage,  online, downloadl loadable games/demo *cough*--just to point out a few.  

[King of Twitch]

Q had built-in DVD, Gameboy Color was backwards playable, Cube was online, games had built-in saves after LoZ  

[Ymeegod]

"Q had built-in DVD, Gameboy Color was backwards playable, Cube was online, games had built-in saves after LoZ "

But nintendo wasn't the first.  PS2 was out long before the Q which was third party anyhow, atari had backwards compatible long before the GBC, as for online support--sega was the first ones to really push the issue for console, N-gage gets the nad for online portable gaming.  And built-in harddrive/flash memory is alot more than mere saves--it's where you're going have all your downloads stored and MS was the first console to make that a standard (which is kinda funny since the 360 did away with it).

[IceCold]

Nintendo was experimenting with online on the NES a long time before SEGA.. And none of those things you listed even affect the games, so who cares?

[Athrun Zala]

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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
Yeah, MS published Motocross Maddness that came bundled with the freestyle pro long time ago.  What's funny is everyone attacks Sony but totally overlook the fact nintendo's stealing ideas as well *cough* built in dvd, dual usb ports, backswards playable, built in storage,  online, downloadl loadable games/demo *cough*--just to point out a few.

interesting...
- the cube uses DVD media, but if your point is about playing different formats, then everyone ripped the SegaCD/3DO/CD-i....
- yep, although I would take USB over custom ports anyday... (and it's not like the PS2 put them under heavy use either...)
- Atari was the first one, certanly, but Nintendo has been doing for years with the GB, and is the one who will benefit the most in the console area...
- if I'm not mistaken the SegaCD and Saturn had internal storage, the 64DD had some as well IIRC
- never heard of X-Band?
- interesting, because the one who did that first was Nintendo with the Satellaview (and later the 64DD)

on a side note, these things that Nintendo "stole" are extremely minimal compared to the things they've brought to the table

[Kairon]

It's funny to think that the Famicom, the actual FAMICOM for god's sake, could actually go online!

Just goes to show that it's not who's first that's important, it's who gets it RIGHT.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
Yeah, MS published Motocross Maddness that came bundled with the freestyle pro long time ago.  What's funny is everyone attacks Sony but totally overlook the fact nintendo's stealing ideas as well *cough* built in dvd, dual usb ports, backswards playable, built in storage,  online, downloadl loadable games/demo *cough*--just to point out a few.

Really few of those examples have impacted or changed gaming much, I think people when referencing Sony "stealing" is that they steal ideas that truly do push gaming forward without coming up with their own. I don't count taking stuff that was already common on PC and putting them into a console, to be anything brilliant. What has Sony or MS really done to innovate gaming interaction? About the only thing I can think of is putting an extra digital stick on their controller, which was "borrowed" from N64 in the first place. Pertaining to backward's capabilities,the reason for that is because it was quite easy to implement due to CD/DVD, and like someone else said GBC had backwards capabilities. I also believe that the Famicom also let you download games online, so once again Nintendo didn't steal that. Not sure about the built in storage, though, so maybe out of the original list Nintendo "stole" built in DVD, dual USB ports and built in storage. All of which were instrumental in changing or revolutionizing how we play game, right?

[Ymeegod]

What about the Eyetoy, which won innovation awards or MS's Live feature?  

You guys are missing the point so let me make it clear--you can't scream at sony for borrowing ideas when nintendo done alot of it in the past and future.