Topic: Third parties hate me.

[UncleBob]

I own a DS.

I own 18 DS games.

I just bought my second thrid party game yesterday.  For $2.

Yeah, I'm the reason Nintendo doesn't get third party support.

[Kairon]

I was like you once. Now I make it a point to buy third party titles. More than half the titles I'm buying for the Wii Launch period are third party, and I have recently ceased buying first party DS titles (yes, even Mario, I'm not sure if I care to buy Mario anymore). In fact, many DS titles I am looking forward to are third party while I do not see any future first party DS titles I am too excited about (yes, not Star Fox or Zelda).

I am conscientiously trying to become the type of consumer that will attract and support third parties on a Nintendo system.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  

[Artimus]

I buy mostly first party games too. I have a lot for DS I want to get but I don't buy that many games.

[UncleBob]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
I was like you once. Now I make it a point to buy third party titles. More than half the titles I'm buying for the Wii Launch period are third party, and I have recently ceased buying first party DS titles (yes, even Mario, I'm not sure if I care to buy Mario anymore). In fact, many DS titles I am looking forward to are third party while I do not see any future first party DS titles I am too excited about (yes, not Star Fox or Zelda).

I am conscientiously trying to become the type of consumer that will attract and support third parties on a Nintendo system.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

In theory, that's a good train of thought - I would like it very much if more third parties were attracted to Nintendo products... however, if it means that I have to buy their crappy games, then it's simply going to keep me from buying pretty much any games at all.

There are, however, some third party DS games I want... I'm still waiting for the online enabled "Ultimate Brain Games" and "Ultimate Card Games" - although if these come out and they're not online, I won't be buying them.

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: UncleBob

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Originally posted by: Kairon
I was like you once. Now I make it a point to buy third party titles. More than half the titles I'm buying for the Wii Launch period are third party, and I have recently ceased buying first party DS titles (yes, even Mario, I'm not sure if I care to buy Mario anymore). In fact, many DS titles I am looking forward to are third party while I do not see any future first party DS titles I am too excited about (yes, not Star Fox or Zelda).

I am conscientiously trying to become the type of consumer that will attract and support third parties on a Nintendo system.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

In theory, that's a good train of thought - I would like it very much if more third parties were attracted to Nintendo products... however, if it means that I have to buy their crappy games, then it's simply going to keep me from buying pretty much any games at all.

There are, however, some third party DS games I want... I'm still waiting for the online enabled "Ultimate Brain Games" and "Ultimate Card Games" - although if these come out and they're not online, I won't be buying them.

Yeah, it's true that I've bought some lemons. But I've learned to not expect every moment of my gaming life to live up to Nintendo levels of ecstasy. Even some Nintendo games don't achieve that sky-high goal.

Instead, I've broadened my tastes and have sought out games that appeal to me on a personal level (Digging for Dinosaurs on the DS? I'm SOLD!!!) and that contribute to my education (I am a Game and Simulation Programming student at Devry in Fremont, CA) because they are interesting in certain aspects, if not interesting as pure gaming fun.

In a way, I've learned to approach games like I approach netflix movies. There are brilliant mind-blowing movies that really speak to me and that I love and watch over and over and over and over again... and then there are the quirky foreign films, indie flicks, hollywood travesties, star vehicles and other types of films that, while not always a joy to watch, I learn a lot from as I analyze why I like certain parts of these lackluster movies, why they're lackluster, and why certain parts of these otherwise forgettable movies strike me as something that, just for a moment, rises above the morass of mediocrity.

Eh... This means that I've started looking into, buying, and playing games for my own academic enrichment instead of for pure gaming fun.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Magik]

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Originally posted by: UncleBob

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Originally posted by: Kairon
I was like you once. Now I make it a point to buy third party titles. More than half the titles I'm buying for the Wii Launch period are third party, and I have recently ceased buying first party DS titles (yes, even Mario, I'm not sure if I care to buy Mario anymore). In fact, many DS titles I am looking forward to are third party while I do not see any future first party DS titles I am too excited about (yes, not Star Fox or Zelda).

I am conscientiously trying to become the type of consumer that will attract and support third parties on a Nintendo system.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

In theory, that's a good train of thought - I would like it very much if more third parties were attracted to Nintendo products... however, if it means that I have to buy their crappy games, then it's simply going to keep me from buying pretty much any games at all.

There are, however, some third party DS games I want... I'm still waiting for the online enabled "Ultimate Brain Games" and "Ultimate Card Games" - although if these come out and they're not online, I won't be buying them.

The problem with Nintendo fans with third parties is that they don't buy 3rd party games even if they are good games.  They will find ways to not buy the game.  The fanboys will not even consider trying out a game such as Age of Empires DS simply because its not better than Advanced Wars DS.

There's no problem if people don't buy 3rd party games that are crappy; its expected.  But when good games aren't being bought that is when it becomes a problem.

[mantidor]

You said that like if AoE DS was a good game. When a good third party game comes we buy it, look at RE4.





 

[Shecky]

Castlevania: DoS
Age of Empires: AoK
Trauma Center: UtK
Sonic Rush
Meteos too if you want to count games by third parties published by Nintendo.
*Cough*If I could buy it*Cough* Phoenix Wright

Roughly 40% of my total, and I'm not supporting crappy games

[UncleBob]

I didn't buy RE4... Sorry.

In fact, the only 3rd party GCN/DS games I've purchased at full price were REmake, Sonic Adventure 2: Battle (bleh), and Mr. Driller: Drill Sprits...

Granted, there are few games that I buy full price anyway...

[Kairon]

Any fan of strategy games would agree that AoE: DS is a great way for getting your fix, especially your strategy gaming fix in bed!

But seriously, what was that thing in the Jerry Maguire movie? "Unless you love everybody, you can't sell anybody."

I think a true love for Nintendo and what they stand for involves a real appreciation of third party efforts. After all, to truly understand what Nintendo does you need to contast them with what DMA/Rockstar North does, you need to contrast them with SquareEnix, you need to know what Hideo Kojima does and how that's different, you need to know what everyone else in the industry is doing because only when you have a background to compare them against, only then can you fully appreciate who and what Nintendo, or any other studio, really is.

Besides, with the DS and Wii I expect explosions of creativity from third parties, innovation not unlike what Nintendo has been fighting for all this time. Kaitou Rousseau and Dino Master are my most anticipated games on the DS! And for the Wii, I'm actually more excited about Rayman Raving Rabbids (each word is a different link! click them all!) more than any other Wii title! (Yes, INCLUDING ZELDA!), and Trauma Center: Second Opinion and Red Steel also rate rather highly on my list, because while gameplay is a lot, the stylistic interpretations these third party games take in my opinion make them worth owning!

Just like Sprung is actually my favorite DS title (and I call myself a Nintendo fanboi...), third parties have convinced me that they can offer wackiness and innovation and real fun when they innovate on Nintendo systems.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

P.S. Actually, though I bought RE:4, I didn't like it. Prob because I didn't like RE games period. I actually enjoy myself avoiding the big third parties more and more and supporting smaller and indie third parties. I've recently developed some interest in the GBA's Juka and the Monophonic Menace (the second video shows off their pattern-based shooter-esque battle system!) by Orbital Media, and that led me to wonder if their once-GBA-now-DS title, Scurge: Hive is going to be worth investigating.

I recommend you broaden your horizons and look beyond the big third parties. Give the little guys a chance to catch you with new ideas, fun concepts, and solid/quirky gameplay.

P.S.S. One of my biggest regrets is never asking Shantae out on a date...

[IceCold]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
I was like you once. Now I make it a point to buy third party titles. More than half the titles I'm buying for the Wii Launch period are third party, and I have recently ceased buying first party DS titles (yes, even Mario, I'm not sure if I care to buy Mario anymore). In fact, many DS titles I am looking forward to are third party while I do not see any future first party DS titles I am too excited about (yes, not Star Fox or Zelda).

I am conscientiously trying to become the type of consumer that will attract and support third parties on a Nintendo system.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

I've thought about it for a bit, and any way you slice it that's pretty dumb. I agree that we need to buy more third party games, and that Nintendo systems are lousy when it comes to sales of those games. But you're depriving yourself of first party (DS) games JUST to buy third party games and make them support Nintendo more? Wow, I have a hard time believing you're actually doing that. We play games to enjoy, and we buy the games that we enjoy. We don't buy games that we don't enjoy so that the people who made those games are more likely to develop for our console. In fact, the whole issue of third party games on Nintendo systems comes from the fact that the developers rush the Nintendo iteration, and they half-ass it so that in many cases it turns out horrible. So, by doing what you are, you would be encouraging that behaviour, which is that last thing we need.

Also, as much as you hope it will, you yourself won't affect this. Buying 3rd party games is great, sure, but that's only one sale. Your purchase will have a minimal impact on the sales, and that's being generous. Conscientiously avoiding first party games and seeking third party games, regardless of their quality in comparison, is just puzzling to me.

[Hostile Creation]

I'd say 90% of my games are made by Nintendo, at least the ones I purchase for myself are.  I get some third party titles, but not very many.

[Arbok]

In terms of third party games I have Meteos and... umm... yeah. Sounds like most people are in the same boat.

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
I was like you once. Now I make it a point to buy third party titles. More than half the titles I'm buying for the Wii Launch period are third party, and I have recently ceased buying first party DS titles (yes, even Mario, I'm not sure if I care to buy Mario anymore). In fact, many DS titles I am looking forward to are third party while I do not see any future first party DS titles I am too excited about (yes, not Star Fox or Zelda).

I am conscientiously trying to become the type of consumer that will attract and support third parties on a Nintendo system.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

I've thought about it for a bit, and any way you slice it that's pretty dumb. I agree that we need to buy more third party games, and that Nintendo systems are lousy when it comes to sales of those games. But you're depriving yourself of first party (DS) games JUST to buy third party games and make them support Nintendo more? Wow, I have a hard time believing you're actually doing that. We play games to enjoy, and we buy the games that we enjoy. We don't buy games that we don't enjoy so that the people who made those games are more likely to develop for our console. In fact, the whole issue of third party games on Nintendo systems comes from the fact that the developers rush the Nintendo iteration, and they half-ass it so that in many cases it turns out horrible. So, by doing what you are, you would be encouraging that behaviour, which is that last thing we need.

Also, as much as you hope it will, you yourself won't affect this. Buying 3rd party games is great, sure, but that's only one sale. Your purchase will have a minimal impact on the sales, and that's being generous. Conscientiously avoiding first party games and seeking third party games, regardless of their quality in comparison, is just puzzling to me.

Don't worry Ice Cold. I actually haven't enjoyed any first Party DS game as much as I have Phoenix Wright, Pac-Pix, and Sprung. This may sound weird coming from someone who freely calls himself a fanboi, but I didn't really get into Mario Kart DS, dropped Metroid Hunters (though my little bro plays that online for rank), and found AC a disappointment. I'm not planning to buy Mario or Zelda or Star Fox because the only Nintendo handheld game that has ever impressed me was Pokemon Red/Green and Ruby/Sapphire.

I've been burned by first party releases on the DS so far and keep getting drawn back to third party titles for an expanded definition of fun.

~Carmine M, Red
Kairon@aol.com

[mantidor]

I just bought Viewtiful Joe today and is amazing, although I doubt that will redeem myself (I couldnt afford it at its release anyway, and I bought it before buying Paper Mario! that has to count for something)

[Mario]

Project Rub (Feel the Magic), Zoo Keeper, Sonic Rush, Pac Pix and Meteos are all worth buying

Oh yeah, and more people (including myself) need to support Tony Hawk DS.

[IceCold]

Sprung? Whatever happened to the Kairon that loved Miyamoto's philosophy of gameplay first and foremost, and called Wind Waker half-assed?

[Kairon]

Argh! You have exposed the paradox at the very essence of my soul!

I LOVE Miyamoto's philosophy! I live by it!

But whenever I start designing a game I start designing a cross-breed between Secret of Mana and Oblivion! AND I HATE OBLIVION! And the one project I HAVE completed was a WarCraft III map that has too many resemblances to a The Sims/Grand Theft Auto 3! /cry

I DO feel a little better when my projects turn out more humor and pun-centric like an Earthbound or Conker's Bad Fur Day type game...

*sigh* I guess I just don't have it in me to be the son that Miyamoto never had.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

P.S. And Wind-Waker was still half-assed.

[UncleBob]

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Originally posted by: Mario
Project Rub (Feel the Magic), Zoo Keeper, Sonic Rush, Pac Pix and Meteos are all worth buying

Zoo Keeper was the game I just picked up for $2 new.  It's fun, but did you notice it doesn't have a sleep mode?

[Infernal Monkey]

I think DS is the first Nintendo machine since the SNES that I have an equal..ish amount of first and third party games. =o  

[Jensen]

I've bought about 8 Gamecube games, and 5 DS games.  Only one of the Cube games was 3rd party, and I bought it for my brother.  I rented RE4, though, and that would have been worth a purchase.

There are a couple of DS games that weren't all that great.  I didn't like Mario Kart DS much, it didn't really add much to the series, and I'm not a fan of racing games with weapons or control sparkling innovations (powerslide boost).  Metroid Prime: Hunters is a blast online, but it was buggy (no 4 player matches), and it is hard to find opponents ( I don't really like random matches).

I would try a couple of third party DS games, but they seem like they are short.... I don't want to gamble $35 on them.  When I can get a demo of a game like Phoenix Write DS through the Wii, I may be convinced.

But,  I'm also a PC gamer.  There are a lot more PC games that interest me than non-Nintendo Nintendo games.
Cave Story, Gish, Chromatron, Bridge-Builder, Trackmania Nations and America's Army are some of my favorites.  And only one of them games, Gish, cost me anything (and it was less than any DS game I've bought).  The PC is really a better platform for independent games.  

Hopefully Nintendo can be open to downloadable games for the Wii.  I'd like to see a game developed by a single person be available through the Wii download service.  I don't really see that happening, though.

[Mario]

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Originally posted by: Mario
Project Rub (Feel the Magic), Zoo Keeper, Sonic Rush, Pac Pix and Meteos are all worth buying

Zoo Keeper was the game I just picked up for $2 new.  It's fun, but did you notice it doesn't have a sleep mode?

.... best deal ever. Yeah I noticed the sound keeps going when you close the DS, but the screens turn off.

[TrueNerd]

I own Trauma Center, Phoenix Wright, Sonic Rush, Tony Hawk American Sk8land, Pac-Pix, Feel the Magic and Castlevania. And Meteos, but I don't think it counts when it was published by Nintendo and developed by the guy who created Kirby and said guy is making the new Smash Bros. I own 7 (or 3rd party games and I own 12 (or 11) 1st party games. That's a pretty good ratio, especially when all those 3rd party games are pretty tremendous. All DS owners SHOULD own at least two or three of those games. Especially the first two I listed, but especially Castlevania.  

[wandering]

For awhile, because of my almost complete lack of third party games on the cube, I thought I may have a problem. The DS has made me realize it was the third parties were the ones with the problem, not me, because I've gotten a bunch of third party DS games. Castlevania, Sonic Rush, Feel the Magic, etc.

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Don't worry Ice Cold. I actually haven't enjoyed any first Party DS game as much as I have Phoenix Wright, Pac-Pix, and Sprung. This may sound weird coming from someone who freely calls himself a fanboi, but I didn't really get into Mario Kart DS, dropped Metroid Hunters (though my little bro plays that online for rank), and found AC a disappointment. I'm not planning to buy Mario or Zelda or Star Fox because the only Nintendo handheld game that has ever impressed me was Pokemon Red/Green and Ruby/Sapphire.

First off, Mario is in a whole other league than the other games you've mentioned. Second off, you can't call yourself a true Miyamoto fanboi if you don't own Miyamoto's one, and only, handheld videogame creation - Nintendogs.

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: wanderingFirst off, Mario is in a whole other league than the other games you've mentioned. Second off, you can't call yourself a true Miyamoto fanboi if you don't own Miyamoto's one, and only, handheld videogame creation - Nintendogs.

Oh, did I forget to mention that that was the game I had bought for me during my Hospital stay for a collapsed lung?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com