Author Topic: So is PSX/PS2 backwards compatibility confirmed with the PS3? (Read 11009 times)

JonLeung · « **on:** May 30, 2006, 10:08:06 AM »

Sorry if I'm out of it when it comes to the PS3...

I can't remember if it's been confirmed (especially since it sounds like they keep changing things) if the PS3 will be able to play PlayStation and PlayStation 2 titles. >_<

My brother wants to play a few PS2 games - namely the Square-Enix games, and maybe Soul Calibur III - and was considering a PS2. "I was like, pfff, I don't want a PS2, but if you need one, save up for a PS3." But of course that was before the price was revealed, and I'm still assuming backwards compatibility. Which is pretty much one of the only things going for it at all...if it doesn't have that then it's definitely not worth it.

Otherwise, he may consider a PS2slim. (Why aren't they called PSTwos, like the redesigned PSXes called PSOnes?)

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2006, 12:48:42 PM »

After all the talk of GIANT CRABS, RIDGE RACERS, RUMBLE FAILURES and laffo MOTION CONTROL, BC was not discussed at E3.

Get the PS2 Slim Jim.

In California, the sales tax alone on a $600 PS3 amounts to price of Soul Calibur III.

=D

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2006, 02:45:58 PM »

It does have backwards compatibility but not 100% (remember the PS2 wasnt 100% backwards compatible with the PSone) but Sony never told us if it has legacy memory card slots (PS1/PS2 memory card slots).

BTW: Soul Calibur 3 is a huge dissapointment compared to SC1 and SC2.

nickmitch · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2006, 06:28:16 PM »

Wow, sales tax on a PS3 is $54 dollars in Louisiana.
I seriously can't believe it.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2006, 06:17:57 AM »

Sales tax in Alberta will be $38 if they lower GST by that time, $45 if they don't. I'd recommend going with the PS2 as well, you could probably get a used one for around $100. If all you want it for is to play PS2 games anyway, why spend $650 CDN? In a few years the PS3 will go down more than $100 in price, I'm sure.

My philosophy...well, it's to not buy other systems. But if I was going to buy a second system, I'd probably wait until it's cheap. You could buy a new PS2 plus probably all of the games you're interested in for the same price as the PS3.

JonLeung · « **Reply #5 on:** June 01, 2006, 10:06:38 AM »

After my ColecoVision (with Donkey Kong!), I've only had Nintendo systems. (I got a Game Boy Pocket only after Pokémon, so I guess I have all of them except the original Game Boy, Virtual Boy, and Game Boy micro. But I have a Game Boy Pocket, GBA, and GBA SP so technically I'm only missing out on the VB...and I rented that and had my fill, thanks.) I'm not against playing non-Nintendo game consoles, and have often done so, but I've never actually felt a need to own those other ones. Plus, my PC is decent so I play so many games on that, reducing the need for the other current consoles... Nintendo actually knows exclusives, they do.

A couple years ago my brother bought a Dreamcast pretty much for Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 and Shenmue...and it came with a bunch of other Dreamcast games. I think we only finished MvC 2 (and somehow lost our save) and Space Channel 5, though. I've been meaning to get into RE:CV and Ikaruga, actually...

If my brother got a PS2 after all I'd probably just want to play FF X and FF XII, and likely also the Kingdom Hearts games. Maybe FF X-2. I've played the first nine FFs (more than most FF "fans" can actually say) so I might as well continue my streak, though FF XI doesn't interest me much. Too bad FF isn't as good as it used to be, but I'd still play them.

Other than FF stuff, most other stuff on the PS2 seems too generic, doesn't interest me, or has a PC version which I likely have played already. Maybe MK: Armageddon would be something to check out, and my brother wants Soul Calibur III like I mentioned before...but it's still not enough to make me desperately NEED a PS2, or I would've gotten one already. I guess there are quite a few RPGs other than the FF ones that I could also consider...but still...

When you reduce game libraries to what you would actually consider playing, it doesn't matter how large the whole library really is.

ThePerm · « **Reply #6 on:** June 01, 2006, 01:15:39 PM »

so the sales tax will rap up to being over 1/4 of wiiis cost

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #7 on:** June 01, 2006, 02:32:20 PM »

Madness.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #8 on:** June 01, 2006, 04:04:55 PM »

Wait. So the Sales cost is the price of a game. WOW.

So you are realistically looking at spending a nice: $700.00 for a new PS3 and 1 single game to play. Just one single game!!!

Way to go Sony. I don't care how good it is. That music you hear is the sound of death. Your own death...arriving before you were even born.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #9 on:** June 01, 2006, 04:55:26 PM »

You're still understimating the cost...

California (8.25% sales tax at worst, i believe; my county is 7.375%):

$600 ps3
$60 ps3 game
------------------
$660 before tax
x 1.0825 tax increase
------------------
$714.45 total cost

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #10 on:** June 02, 2006, 04:36:09 AM »

Sales tax here is 5%, which on the 599.99 system is only 30.00, with a 59.99 game, the sales tax is only 3.00, so total for the system and game, it would cost me 692.98.

And for the BC of the PS3, as far as I know the PS3 is BC for the PS and PS2, but that you can't use either memory cards from PS or PS2, so really what is the point.

I don't want to start over when I am halfway through FFXII just so I can play it on PS3. It's a real waste of my time invested in a game, any game to have to start over just to play it again.

It's not like I am buying a second version of FFXII on a different system like the GCN where the memory cards are not compatible in the first place.

This is just another example of Sony not getting it.

[edit] said cold instead of cost, lol, don't know where that came from.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #11 on:** June 02, 2006, 10:09:41 AM »

By the looks of things Nintendo is the only one to fully grasp the proper backwards compatibility with Wii.

nickmitch · « **Reply #12 on:** June 02, 2006, 05:07:14 PM »

Wait, wait, wait.
$660 PS3+Game.
x 1.09 adding tax
---------------------
$719.40 total

I could buy, two Wiis, and three games and still have money left over with that. (Assuming $249.99 ie highest possible price point.)

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #13 on:** June 02, 2006, 05:36:39 PM »

what is with x 1.09 for tax? I hope you mean it as one .09 %, because 1.09% is more than the system and one game combined, with a grand total of 1,379.36, and that kind of tax is o_O

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #14 on:** June 02, 2006, 05:57:14 PM »

i DON'T UNDERSTAND this math!

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #15 on:** June 02, 2006, 06:35:35 PM »

sales tax is based on a per dollar basis. California's sales tax is 8 and 1/4 cents on every dollar that the item costs. So for a item costing 100.00, you are going to pay an additiona 8.25 just for sales tax for a total of 108.25. Sales tax is also based on a per item by instance, meaning that you if you spend 200.00 on ine item or two items at 100.00 each, you will still have to pay 16.50 for sales tax, you don't get a break unless and item is tax free, like food or clothes depending on your states tax rules.

I may have done my typing wrong, but what both you (prof) and tvman have written is 1.0825 and 1.09 respectively, which amounts to 1.08 per dollar and 1.09 again respectively instead of just 8 1/4 and 9 cents per dollar.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #16 on:** June 02, 2006, 06:45:16 PM »

nitsu, he multiplied the cost of the system by 1.0825 to get the total cost. Indeed, if you were only trying to figure out the tax you would muliply by .0825, and then you would add it to the product cost to get the total. Pro just did it in one step.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2006, 07:09:28 PM »

bada-BING

The factor 1.00 accounts for the product cost, aka subtotal.
The factor 0.0825 covers the additional cost of tax.

(subtotal * tax rate) + subtotal = total cost

factor out the subtotal,

subtotal * (tax rate + 1) = total cost

Convert Cali's tax rate to decimals then add 1, shazaaam = 1.0825

ASSociative property! whooooooooo
[is it really associative? HELL IF I REMEMBER!]

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2006, 07:27:24 PM »

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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
what is with x 1.09 for tax? I hope you mean it as one .09 %, because 1.09% is more than the system and one game combined, with a grand total of 1,379.36, and that kind of tax is o_O

oh well, about that much is what I would've to pay if I bought one here..... (another reason I don't want a PS3

)

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #19 on:** June 03, 2006, 04:14:24 AM »

That's too much of a hassel, when I don't worry about sales tax I pay in the first place. I pay 5 % both in Maryland and Virginia, so I don't even figure it in to anything I buy because it's pretty much a non-issue for me.

But I have so far for just this year alone (actually it is a little bit more because I haven't accounted for eveything I bought yet), I have spent $247.70 just on sales tax.

wandering · « **Reply #20 on:** June 03, 2006, 10:25:40 AM »

ANYWAY.

The PS3 is backwards compatable. But, like the Xbox 360 and unlike the ps2, the backwards compatablity will be through software emulation only. Unlike the Xbox 360, though, Sony is saying almost every game will be playable. ...which I'll believe when I see it.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #21 on:** June 03, 2006, 12:57:43 PM »

and then lets talk about the controller. Is Sony going to have all ps1 and ps2 games play off the ps3 controller? Because that was a problem with BC on the ps2, you can play Castlevania: SotN on ps2, but you have to use a ps1 controller. So I am curious as to what sony is going to do about this, because if ps1 and ps2 memory cards don't work, I don't suspect that controllers from the previous two will work either.

oohhboy · « **Reply #22 on:** June 03, 2006, 09:23:08 PM »

GST or sales Tax in NZ is 12.5%. When you buy something retail it is always included in the price. Wether the buyer foots the bill or the company foots the bill is reeally based on how you look at it.

Kairon · « **Reply #23 on:** June 03, 2006, 09:34:19 PM »

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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
and then lets talk about the controller. Is Sony going to have all ps1 and ps2 games play off the ps3 controller? Because that was a problem with BC on the ps2, you can play Castlevania: SotN on ps2, but you have to use a ps1 controller. So I am curious as to what sony is going to do about this, because if ps1 and ps2 memory cards don't work, I don't suspect that controllers from the previous two will work either.

Could get interesting without force feedback for PS2 games.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Ymeegod · « **Reply #24 on:** June 04, 2006, 02:46:32 AM »

Actually there's still the $500 version that most people missed :0. So the cheaper version is around $540 or so depending on state tax and $610ish with one game.

That's still like $400 less than any current blu-ray player :0.

Nintendo's still pretty quite about it's pricing (hear rumors ranging from $150-250) but it's lacking power--I wouldn't have minded another $100 or so for a updated graphics card (so it's more compareable to MS's current 360 console).

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Author Topic: So is PSX/PS2 backwards compatibility confirmed with the PS3? (Read 11009 times)