Topic: Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!

[31 Flavas]

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Originally posted by: IceCold

I remember a Conservative ad over here putting a picture of Jean Chretien on screen and asking "Do you really want this man to be your leader?" or something like that. Chretien has a condition that disfigures his face. There was immense backlash from this, and it was pulled.

Well, don't get me wrong. I know there are people that will actually do such rediculus things. The point, of course, was since everyone and their mothers uncle is 'supposed' so insecure or intolerant about ga yness would such an outragous attack ad actually get more votes then a "credible" attack ad would? Hell fuc king no.

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Also, watch the NiGHTS commercial.

Well, unless it far too subtle for me, or just went by too fast, I don't see it making any attack that the PSX is queer. It does do name calling, "Plaything", but it is limited to a fraction of the comercial. Compairitivly though, the entirety of a certain Sega vs. Nintendo ad insinuated that Nintendo fans were not only color blind, but flat out stupid, and drink from toilets, as well.

[IceCold]

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Well, unless it far too subtle for me, or just went by too fast, I don't see it making any attack that the PSX is queer.

It doesn't. I just threw it in there - my whole last post was pretty random.

[wandering]

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Well, don't get me wrong. I know there are people that will actually do such rediculus things. The point, of course, was since everyone and their mothers uncle is 'supposed' so insecure or intolerant about ga yness would such an outragous attack ad actually get more votes then a "credible" attack ad would? Hell fuc king no.

I dunno.

Guy in a pink shirt, slight lisp walks up to a cool person who's talking with a 2 attractive women.
"So, later, you wanna come over and play with my Wii?" asks the guy in the pink shirt.
"Actually, uh, we were planning on playing Halo 3." Cool person puts arms around women and they walk away.
Xbox 360: Jump In.
 

[Artimus]

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Originally posted by: wandering

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Well, don't get me wrong. I know there are people that will actually do such rediculus things. The point, of course, was since everyone and their mothers uncle is 'supposed' so insecure or intolerant about ga yness would such an outragous attack ad actually get more votes then a "credible" attack ad would? Hell fuc king no.

I dunno.

Guy in a pink shirt, slight lisp walks up to a cool person who's talking with a 2 attractive women.
"So, later, you wanna come over and play with my Wii?" asks the guy in the pink shirt.
"Actually, uh, we were planning on playing Halo 3." Cool person puts arms around women and they walk away.
Xbox 360: Jump In.

If they did that they'd be blasted by every homosexual group in the country, and rightfully so. It would cause a huge political fallout.

[31 Flavas]

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Originally posted by: Artimus

If they did that they'd be blasted by every homosexual group in the country, and rightfully so. It would cause a huge political fallout.

And not just LGBT would be bashing it, straight folk would bash it too. Like I said, namecalling and "G ay" labeling just is not acceptable for the COMPANY to do. If you want to, on your own, time spread the word Wii is queer, it's your perogitive. But coporations just can not afford to be seen as intolerant these days, it's very bad for bussiness.

[eljefe]

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Originally posted by: The Omen

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I disagree, revolution's first and most usual association is with rebel movements and such, the "revolve around something" is a more technical or scientific meaning, not mainstream. When the beatles sang "you want a revolution" Im pretty sure people didnt think about going in circles.

Exactly.  There's no need to know a revolution is needed.   You think when Rage Against the Machine named their band, they were worried people would think they were talking about raging against Zerox copiers?  I mean, come on....

You're not serious..are you?

did you read my post?


it was in response to Smash Bro insinuating what many of you apparently believe: that the name Revolution is INSTANTLY COMPREHENSIBLE to people unnassociated with the gaming world.

I stand by my statement. Technically nobody on this board can prove me wrong, even tho I might be, because ALL OF US ARE GAMERS and ALL OF US HAVE HAD TIME TO DIGEST revolution's EXPLANATION.

Smash Bro HIMSELF called it, " Revolution: the console which promises a Revolution in gaming"

Tho brief, there IS an explanation in that statement. That's ALL I'm saying: both Rev and Wii need explanations.

I happen to be OK with Wii, mainly because its out of my hands to change it, but if it weren't named Wii I would not want to go back to Revolution.

[eljefe]

and didn't you read what wandering said?

Most people will know of Wii as this consoles ORIGINAL name. They won't have to run thru the mental gymnastics we all are engaging in.

Wii is a lot less weird if its all you've ever known. Think about that..

For people who have never heard of GameBoy or Xbox (believe me...they exist. I know plenty)

or what "generation" of gaming is 'current' or 'next'

or don't know what SNES stands for...



Wii isn't all that bad.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: wandering Guy in a pink shirt, slight lisp walks up to a cool person who's talking with a 2 attractive women.
"So, later, you wanna come over and play with my Wii?" asks the guy in the pink shirt.
"Actually, uh, we were planning on playing Halo 3." Cool person puts arms around women and they walk away.
Xbox 360: Jump In.

You don't need to even imply homosexuality in that case. Give the guy a regular shirt and subtract lisp and it preys on insecurity just fine. The comparison ad, showing dark and gritty and then bright and fruity gets the point across subtly. Obviously, you can't come right out an say, "That's g ay!" but they can suggest it and still get away with it.

Just suggesting that owing a "wee" will diminish your chances with women (who, from my experience, love Nintendo games) is enough of an insecurity catalyst that many people would be discouraged from buying one.

Better yet, if I were MS or Sony, I'd have the "wee" fanboy, which follows this one poor bastard who goes around asking if anyone wants to play with his "wee" and repeatedly getting the sh!t kicked out of him by men and slapped by women because the name sounds suggestive.

It's a very easy name to make fun of, and that's my primary qualm with it because I think the US market will avoid it like the plague, especially if Nintendo doesn't advertise enough to get the brand name out there.  

[31 Flavas]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

Better yet, if I were MS or Sony, I'd have the "wee" fanboy, which follows this one poor bastard who goes around asking if anyone wants to play with his "wee" and repeatedly getting the sh!t kicked out of him by men and slapped by women because the name sounds suggestive.

Hm... now I wonder why neither would persue that kind of advertisment either.... Geez that's a toughie. </sarcasim>

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas Hm... now I wonder why neither would persue that kind of advertisment either.... Geez that's a toughie. </sarcasim>

If Nintendo starts to look like a genuine threat or, god knows, pull into the lead, you can count on anti-wee ads popping up.

Sony and MS have nothing to rival what Nintendo is offering so trying to ridicule it will be their only recourse.

[31 Flavas]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

If Nintendo starts to look like a genuine threat or, god knows, pull into the lead, you can count on anti-wee ads popping up.

Sony and MS have nothing to rival what Nintendo is offering so trying to ridicule it will be their only recourse.

Nothing has stopped Sony from copying before...  and you know Microsoft has this whole "Embrace and Extend" thing...

I guess the only thing stopping either in such a 'genuine threat' situation would be pride and admitting that Nintendo was right, AGAIN.  

[jasonditz]

*snicker* Microsoft: embrace and extend your wii

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas Nothing has stopped Sony from copying before...  and you know Microsoft has this whole "Embrace and Extend" thing...

I guess the only thing stopping either in such a 'genuine threat' situation would be pride and admitting that Nintendo was right, AGAIN.

Oh, they'll more than likely have Revmotes of their own come next gen, but this gen, you'll see them bashing Nintendo in an attempt to not lose ground to them.

Just like the Crash Bandicoot commercials where he was outside Nintendo HQ mocking Mario and then later went all console, including Gamecube.

[Ian Sane]

"If they did that they'd be blasted by every homosexual group in the country, and rightfully so. It would cause a huge political fallout."

So just because a guy has a pink shirt and a speech impediment it means he's homosexual?  The guy is asking an attractive woman if she wants to play videogames with him.  That suggests to me that he is interested in women.  But because he's such a loser the Xbox 360 guy gets the girl instead.

[The Omen]

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You're not serious..are you?

did you read my post?


it was in response to Smash Bro insinuating what many of you apparently believe: that the name Revolution is INSTANTLY COMPREHENSIBLE to people unnassociated with the gaming world.

Yes, I am serious.  Did you read my post?  Saying the word revolution needs to be explained to anyone who speaks English is ridiculous.  The word Machine in "Rage Against the Machine" never needed explaining, and in that case, machine didn't even mean actual mechanical machines, but it was a symbol, a monicker for worldwide governing, the powers that be, which with your argument should have been harder for people to grasp, right?  Afterall, in this case, the word isn't even associated with the first thought that comes to peoples minds when they hear it.  But it is obvious, just as revolution is.   Humans have pretty substantial deductive reasoning for the most part, and our brains inform us what makes sense, and in what context, long before we actually dwell upon it.  I believe it's called common sense.

[Artimus]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"If they did that they'd be blasted by every homosexual group in the country, and rightfully so. It would cause a huge political fallout."

So just because a guy has a pink shirt and a speech impediment it means he's homosexual?  The guy is asking an attractive woman if she wants to play videogames with him.  That suggests to me that he is interested in women.  But because he's such a loser the Xbox 360 guy gets the girl instead.

Oh come on. A pink shirt and a lisp? What else is that supposed to say? It's the definitive homosexual stereotype.

And why is a person a loser just for wearing a pink shirt? And since when does a speech impediment make you a loser? Well?

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane So just because a guy has a pink shirt and a speech impediment it means he's homosexual?  The guy is asking an attractive woman if she wants to play videogames with him.  That suggests to me that he is interested in women.  But because he's such a loser the Xbox 360 guy gets the girl instead.

That's a good point.

If there was any outcry from the g ay community, they'd likely just point out, "He's hitting on women." and the argument would be nullified.

Meanwhile, the suggestion would go through unhindered.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: The Omen
Yes, I am serious.  Did you read my post?  Saying the word revolution needs to be explained to anyone who speaks English is ridiculous.  The word Machine in "Rage Against the Machine" never needed explaining, and in that case, machine didn't even mean actual mechanical machines, but it was a symbol, a monicker for worldwide governing, the powers that be, which with your argument should have been harder for people to grasp, right?  Afterall, in this case, the word isn't even associated with the first thought that comes to peoples minds when they hear it.  But it is obvious, just as revolution is.   Humans have pretty substantial deductive reasoning for the most part, and our brains inform us what makes sense, and in what context, long before we actually dwell upon it.  I believe it's called common sense.

People know what "Revolution" means, but they don't know that it's a Revolution in gaming.

However, they won't know what "Wii" is, either and I doubt they'll care very much. I think people overestimate the effect that strange marketing tactics have on today's populace.

People are gradually being trained to simply ignore advertising altogether. Without a massive ad campaign, the word "Wii" will do nothing.

[The Omen]

I wouldn't put it past any big corporation to hint at the g ay angle in adverts, but they would most assuredly not come out of the closet with it (sorry).  Remember Sega basically built their fanbase by turning Nintendo into the 'Teh Ki Dee' machine.  Times have changed, and the majority of gamers were younger back then,(which ironically made the ki dee thing MORE effective) but it could still work if it's well done.  Microsoft probably wouldn't do it, believe it or not, but if Sony loses a sizable portion of their market, watch out.  Desperation brings out the worst, and most vindictive marketing.  

[The Omen]

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People know what "Revolution" means, but they don't know that it's a Revolution in gaming.

I guess I have more faith in people.  If they know what Revoltuion means, and they are shown it's a gaming console, I tend to think they get the message.  I highly doubt anyone cares if one is needed, wanted or ongoing.  And I sincerely hope no moron would think it meant the console revolves in the living room.

[Ian Sane]

"And why is a person a loser just for wearing a pink shirt? And since when does a speech impediment make you a loser? Well?"

He's a loser because he's hitting on some chick but another more manly guy comes and steals her away.

[Requiem]

Well sh@t...

Any type of steriotype is bad business. Just cause the g@y dude is hitting on a girl, it still implies that he's a typical g@y dude.

It's just like if a black dude walked up instead, started freestyling, then tried to steal the cool dude's wallet. Since I am black (striaght african...no american here) I would be pretty offended.

Same sh!t.

[Artimus]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"And why is a person a loser just for wearing a pink shirt? And since when does a speech impediment make you a loser? Well?"

He's a loser because he's hitting on some chick but another more manly guy comes and steals her away.

Oh come on, get real. You know very well that's not how a commercial like that would play. But I'm not surprised to see you of all people defending it.

[eljefe]

omen: out of context, to a person who doesn't follow rock music, if you say the phrase "RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE"

it will be meaningless

[Smash_Brother]

Since when do g ay guys hit on women?

Also, this ad communicates exactly what I mean:

http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac_ads1/networking_480x376.mov

The subtle message here is that mac users are more capable and thus will get laid more often.

Imagine a commercial where someone comes out and says, "I'm an xbox 360," and the other guy says, "I'm a wee!"