Topic: To buy or not to buy?

[Strell]

It's clear you don't post here often if you think that's a ridiculous statement.

[jasonditz]

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Originally posted by: Strell


If you're a pansy and you need big graphics, then get a PS3 or a 360.

Doesn't anybody else think this is the most hilarious and ridiculous thing they've read in a while?

Nintendo should be thanking the loyalists who are going to purchase the Revo, no questions asked.  They will need your support.  This reminds me of the fervor I used to see in the Apple forums.

We hear things like that all the time... I even thnk there's something to be said for it.

No console is going to please all people in all ways. I personally don't care about graphics, but I really like the idea of not having  to spend $400 on my next console. If I get stuck having to shell out a couple hundred bucks more for my Rev just so a whiny minority of fans can get EA's annual WW2 sim in high def, I'm going to be annoyed.

Nintendo's offering something different, and it's something I want. I don't want it to be a rebranded Xbox 360, I don't want it to be a PS3 with a Nintendo logo on it. And for those of you that do... you probably should be asking yourself: if I want a 360 so damned bad, why am I demanding Nintendo move heaven and earth to make one, instead of just buying the one that's already on the market?

[Michael8983]

Hopefully at E3 Nintendo will show off some graphically impressive games that rely heavily if not entirely on the Revmote making them impossible to be ported to the 360 or PS3. If Nintendo can do that people will stop worrying about the games that MIGHT not make it to the Rev because of technical or controller limitations.
I think Metroid Prime 3 will be the real kicker. Its developers have already proven themselves capable of amazing results with the Gamecube. If with the enhanced specs they can make a game that will look good even up against anything the PS3 has to offer in addition to making it innovative and fun to play with the new controller, all doubts will be put down.
We'll likely see the Rev version of Smash Bros. The Gamecube version is still one of the best looking games of this past generation which says a lot considering it was one of the first Gamecube titles released. I doubt anyone will be complaining about how it looks on the Rev.
A Rev version of Nintendogs is also a good candidate for eye candy. Those dogs were some of the best looking things the DS has ever shown us. They could look amazing on the Rev. Photorealistic even since the game doesn't require a lot of the system's power to go into anything other than the doggie models.
But there will likely be some titles like a new Warioware that will be so damn fun people won't care how simple the graphics are.  

[Ian Sane]

"Nintendo's offering something different, and it's something I want. I don't want it to be a rebranded Xbox 360, I don't want it to be a PS3 with a Nintendo logo on it. And for those of you that do... you probably should be asking yourself: if I want a 360 so damned bad, why am I demanding Nintendo move heaven and earth to make one, instead of just buying the one that's already on the market?"

Why is there this assumption that if Nintendo made something more traditional that it would be exactly like the other consoles?  Was the SNES just a rebranded Genesis or the Gamecube a rebranded PS2?  It's the games that set consoles apart moreso than any special features.  So a traditional console from Nintendo with comparable power to the competition would still be a Nintendo console and, providing Nintendo is still capable of making amazing games, would still be different from the other consoles.  No one who is asking for better hardware is asking for a PS3 or X360.  They're asking for what Nintendo would be able to do with better hardware.

[MaryJane]

People buy systems for different reasons
My reason is always the game, no other system will offer me Metroid, Mario, Zelda, and all kinds of new and innovative games like Pikmin, and Trauma Center. The competition has a lot of a good games I'd like to play however although they are good, they're usually more of the same, they have better fps's better rpg's. Nintendo however has original fps's known as an fpa. original rpg's like crystal chronicles (although that game kind of blew if you didn't play it with other people) that is why I will always buy Nintendo systems, whatever faults they have, I know the games will be ones of top quality when they are from Nintendo. And at least they have the ballos to take risks, they might not always work out for them, but at least they do it.  

[trip1eX]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
To me the issue is more about what sort of games won't be available because the hardware can't handle them.  That's a bigger deal to me.

Is this half-ass backwards or what?   You do realize that you are a very negative person don't you?

There's going to be lots of games not on the Rev for one reason or another that are going to be great games.  

Buy the console for what's on it.  Not what might not be on it.  

There's going to be alot of games on the Revolution that won't be possible on the other consoles.  That's the point of the controller.  To set Nintendo's games and consoles even further apart from the competition.  

YOu seem to be stuck  in this mode of what's not going to be on the Rev?  What mistakes will Nintendo make?  What 3rd party games won't they get?  What games will the controller not be good for?  That's called being negative.  

The truth is all those questions will have some answers even the biggest fans won't like.  But why dwell on it?  

If you're really that concerned about all of the above you would have just moved on to a different console and a different board.  I mean we're just talking about a game machine.  IF it doesn't have the features and games you want then why whine about it?  Find something that does fit your perfect world and move on.


I mean who cares what the Rev won't have?   I'm buying the console for what's it's going to have.   If I dwelled on what it doesn't have I'd never buy it.  Of course I'd never buy anything then.

IF you want 720p fine.  More power to you.  Look elsewhere.

If you're that concerned about games not being technically possible on the Rev then fine looks elsewhere because that is probably going to happen.

If you don't think game A or B or C will play nice with the remote controller.  Great.  More power to you.  Look elsewhere.

IF you don't think the REv will get much 3rd party support and can't sleep at night because of it then save your health and look elsewhere.

HOnestly there's no one here that you need to save from buying the Revolution.  No one cares if you aren't going to buy one either.  I'm sorry you don't like what Nintendo is doing and that you have been burned by them in the past and that you're very cautious of trusting them now because of that.  I'm sorry they aren't doing all they can to meet your needs with their next console.  Hopefully you can forgive them and move on.  

 

[Ian Sane]

"Buy the console for what's on it. Not what might not be on it."

Console purchases are typically an "either or" situation.  Usually someone just buys one console over the others.  That's I usually do it because it just gets pretty expensive to not only buy multiple consoles but buy games for three different consoles.  So what's not on a console is weighed just as much as what's on.  It's about finding the best console for you and that means looking both at what the Rev has and what it doesn't have but the competition does.

It is true that there are Rev games that won't be possible on the other consoles as well.  So it becomes a choice and you have to weight the pros and cons.

[jasonditz]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Nintendo's offering something different, and it's something I want. I don't want it to be a rebranded Xbox 360, I don't want it to be a PS3 with a Nintendo logo on it. And for those of you that do... you probably should be asking yourself: if I want a 360 so damned bad, why am I demanding Nintendo move heaven and earth to make one, instead of just buying the one that's already on the market?"

Why is there this assumption that if Nintendo made something more traditional that it would be exactly like the other consoles?  Was the SNES just a rebranded Genesis or the Gamecube a rebranded PS2?  It's the games that set consoles apart moreso than any special features.  So a traditional console from Nintendo with comparable power to the competition would still be a Nintendo console and, providing Nintendo is still capable of making amazing games, would still be different from the other consoles.  No one who is asking for better hardware is asking for a PS3 or X360.  They're asking for what Nintendo would be able to do with better hardware.

I'm not just hearing "more traditional" from some of these people... I'm hearing that it has to have more similar specs for the sake of 3rd party ports of 360 games. The Cube was not a rebranded PS2, it was a very different system with a very different set of positives and negatives. Sometimes those differences cost them some PS2 ports. But sometimes those differences made possible some intriguing things on the Cube that wouldn't have been possible if we'd tried to make it more suitable to PS2 ports.

A more obvious comparison would be the N64. it was not a rebranded PS1. They could've forgone cartridges for CDs and gotten a lot more PS1 ports. But some of the most significant games of the generation, like OOT, wouldn't have been possible if you had to keep halting gameplay to load data off of a slow CD-ROM drive. We might've gotten a port of FFVII, but I'm not willing to trade OOT for that.

Every system has its tradeoffs. The SNES had a slower clock speed than the Genesis, but superior color depth. The Cube had superior loadtimes to its competitors, but it did so at the cost of lower capacity disks.

The big benefit of the 360 and the PS3 is high-def visuals. The tradeoff is something very tangible... hundreds of dollars more in system costs. I don't care that much about visuals... I do care about hundreds of dollars. I can fully appreciate when someone says "I wish Nintendo had gone more high end, i'd be willing to pay more", but when I hear "I'm probably going to buy a 360 because Revolution is teh sukc and all the 3rd party ports I want won't look as pretty", that's another matter altogether.

It would've never dawned on me to recommend an SNES to someone who wanted to play Genesis games... or a Cube for someone who wanted PS2 games. Why all of a sudden should we call for a redesign for the Rev simply so some guy who wants 360 games will buy it, and constantly be disappointed?  

[trip1eX]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Buy the console for what's on it. Not what might not be on it."

Console purchases are typically an "either or" situation.  Usually someone just buys one console over the others.  That's I usually do it because it just gets pretty expensive to not only buy multiple consoles but buy games for three different consoles.  So what's not on a console is weighed just as much as what's on.  It's about finding the best console for you and that means looking both at what the Rev has and what it doesn't have but the competition does.

It is true that there are Rev games that won't be possible on the other consoles as well.  So it becomes a choice and you have to weight the pros and cons.

Thanks for sharing that  'How to buy a console' guide with us.  I bet everyone was just having a hard time with their decision until you  unleashed that  nugget of wisdom.  

The thing is we aren't buying a lawn mower here man.  

We're buying something to have fun with.  

There's  no right or wrong.  And no one has a crystal ball to see the review scores of all the games to be released in the next 5 years.

What you're also missing is context.  You're on a god damn Nintendo fan site telling people to look at the competition product as if we're going to buy a toaster or something.

Come on.  YOu're so full of bs.  I don't think you realize that tho.  

No one here gives a rat's ass what the 360 and PS3 are doing.

I know you're trying to save us from making the mistake of buying a Revolution.  I know it's a very risky purchase for all of us.  A very tough decision.  Much like choosing the college you should go to or something.  But somehow I think we'll survive.  And have fun doing it.  We'll have fun playing the games that are on the system and we'll do it without wondering day and night if the grass is greener on the other side.

There's going to be great fun to be had on the Revolution.  IT's too dam bad for you and you only that you aren't buying one cause you'll be missing out.
 

rants over

[animecyberrat]

ok its not just the prots damnint, its about excflusives also, the 'ports' that are goign cross platform could have been GC exlcussives and woudl have impressed peopel, look at the exclusives for GC that ARENT made by Nintendo, they still push the system to its limits. Nintendo is NOT the only developer worth buying games for and they can not carrya  system on their own.

I didnt get a GC because of one single launch game because frankly they all sucked IMO.  Also because I dont want to spend so much money on getting multiple systmes I try and get the one witht eh most to offer, I tend to usualy go with Sega because they USUSALY have more to offer than any body else (even Nintendo)  but after getting burned three generations in a row I decided to let Sega go and jump back on board with Nintendo, because they had more to offer for me (in the early days) when i got my GC my first two games were Sonic ADventure DX and MK Deadly Allince. My first Nintendo game was Star Fox adventures followed by Lugis Mansion (which I hated). A lot of what I LOVED about those early games was how impressive the visuals were IN ADDITION to how solid the gameplayw as and, with MK as always the story and characters.


What I am saying about ports is in general directed to 3rd pary suport all the way around, thers a lot of games that could be exclusives if the system could handle them. Quake and Doom are good examples, the truth was ONLY the Xbox had the power tomake those games decent ona console and with out the online they would still be inferior to PC version. The reason those games , among others, were exclusive to Xbox was simple it was the only one that could handle them, as past experience shown Doom is usualy a major multi platform game, I mean it was on the effing 32X for cryiung out load tahst as mulit platform as it gets. But to not get the latest doom on GC said a lot to some people. That descision had nothing to do with GC user base cuz when Doom came out GC was still neck in neck with Xbox.  



I dont want to see things liek that, games I really love and want to play NOT get made for my system becasue it is underpowered or is lacking features. Its liek Elder Scrolls and other big RPGs that went Xbox only because of the hard drive, Ps3 is offering a hard drive and so is 260 but Nintendo isnt, now that wont matter much in the long run cuz oif the option to plug in yor own usb drive, but it will turn off developers if they dont see the option as mainstream enough to take advantage of it.

Ic ant make it any clearer than that. If the Rev is going to be underpwoered and its going to see games get shafted becasue of it then its going to suck just liek GC, only it will have aharder time because Gc was such a disapointment.




Is it realy so hard to comprehend that a gamer can liek Quake, Mk and Doom AS MUCH AS OR MORE THAN mario, Zelda and such.


As a Nintendo fan do try and give evrything an honest chance. I liked Metroid Prime and Star Fox Adventures, and Smash Bros Melee, sof ar thats the ONLY 1st party games this gen I have liked, I hated ww, sunshine, luigis mansion, paper mario, and the only mario party game I liked was 4. I came close to trading my GC for an xbox when i ehard mk 6 wasnt going to be on it, then at thelast minute they made aport, with features cut out. So I stayed for a while. all last year the only games I did get (love every one) were all made by 3rd parties and all had better features on Xbox. I didnt mind so much in n64 days because they still got the good stuff along with the nintendo stuff, they ahd 2 quakes, Star Wars Shadows of the empire, MK T and MK 4, and many other good games not made by Nintendo. I coudl careless about FF cuz 3 (6) and 7 are the only ones I have every liked. Cc sucked.  BUT with Gc it really made a big difference because I got the GC when it was still fairly popualr and was expecting it to get better, every announcment tough for a new game somehow didnt excite me a smuch as it had with N64, Soul Caliber 2 and DBZ did when first announced but I payed DBZ to death on my freinds ps2.


SO bottum line is if a game system, no matter who makes it, doesnt offer enough to satisfy someone then its not a very good buy and will likly not sell as much. I am not arguing that REV wil fail, Im actauly one of the few who has great faith that it WILL be a runaway success, but I have my fears that games I want to play wont get made for it and have to be realistic this gen in that REV might just be a secondary console instead of my only one. I mean we already missed 2 MK games this gen and if tahst any indicator of next gen I might as well get a 360 now and say screw the rev, but I am anticipating trying out the VC and Smash Bros online so at elast tehres a big enough reason to jsutify getting the system, but I will wait and see how long I make it my primary one.
 

[cubist]

I am buying based on tradition.  Except for the NES, I've purchased every console at launch with at least 5 games (The N64 only had two launch titles...hehehe).  I've been satisfied with the product thus far and have no reason to doubt it.  I will be fully invested in the REV.

[Ian Sane]

"I know you're trying to save us from making the mistake of buying a Revolution."

Well maybe I shouldn't have said "you" instead of "I".  Fine.  MY method for buying anything is to see what's available.  So for me what the Rev doesn't have because of hardware limitations is a big deal.  So stop givine me sh!t over what is a pretty damn logical thing to do when buying a console.

"I'm not just hearing 'more traditional' from some of these people... I'm hearing that it has to have more similar specs for the sake of 3rd party ports of 360 games."

Well it's advantageous to be capable of playing the competition's games plus having unique games that no one else could replicate.  So if the Rev's hardware allowed for any X360 game to be faithfully ported the Rev would have a HUGE advantage because it could do everything the competition could plus MORE.  Now that would also probably make it really expensive so it's not that feasible.  Right now though Nintendo is just being different so it becomes a choice.  Consumers will decide what's more important to them.

[Ceric]

I have to wait on the Rev if Backward compatibility was conked.  There are some games I'm looking forward to playing because my poor cube can't handle them anymore.  Unless it totally dies I'm going to try to hold out for the Rev.  It seem silly to be a new cube and then get nothing till the rev.

You know what I think would be fun for Nintendo to do at E3?  Hide Iwata and Reggie, or other people.   Then start there breifing without them and tell everyone they'll be telliconferencing.  So then with a projector they show "realtime video" of them sitting in a room and they proceed with there presentation and speeches from there.  Sometime in the middle of it Iwata goes "Maybe I should show you a rev demo."  Then the Real Iwata comes walking on the stage and goes "Would you like to see a demo?"  At that point "Virtual Iwata" is really a realtime Rev app.  He then goes to show how you control "Virtual Iwata" with his video feed level graphics.

I think that would be impressive and a little bit surprising.

[trip1eX]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"I know you're trying to save us from making the mistake of buying a Revolution."

Well maybe I shouldn't have said "you" instead of "I".  Fine.  MY method for buying anything is to see what's available.  So for me what the Rev doesn't have because of hardware limitations is a big deal.  So stop givine me sh!t over what is a pretty damn logical thing to do when buying a console.

Logical?  What's logical about hanging on in the REvolution forum of a Nintendo website while hatin' the Rev and telling us how we're making a mistake buying the REvolution?  What's logical about that?

This isn't a 'Post here if you want help deciding what console to buy' forum.  I think there's a reason it's called PlanetGamecube.  

What's logical about trying to make a very serious rational decision about buying a next gen console in a Revolution forum?  

Are you now saying you want this help?  You could have fooled me, but ....

I guess we could all help you decide what console to buy.  

Off the cuff I'd say buy a 360 because you seem to hate Nintendo.  I know that's probably a stretch.  But for some reason I just get that feeling about you.  

I'm willing to help you with your console buying decision.

What is it that you're looking for?  

I actually get a feeling tho that you're going to buy a REvoluton no matter what no matter what you say.  

You can't be worried about the games because you said you would buy a Revolution eventually just for the first official Zelda Revolution game.  But here you are in this thread wondering about what future speculative games might be able to be played on it.

I think you're just negative.  You're eeyore in the Forest Acre Woods.  Nary a Nintendo news release is sunny.

There's one thing to analyze a console, but it's another thing to hate and be 100% negative.  You're alot close to the latter 2 things than to any serious analysis.

I have to say the only logical conclusion from the 100s of negative posts you read is that you should buy another console.  Anyone this worried about it should look elsewhere.  YOu want logical.  That's logical.  

[Ian Sane]

trip1eX this thread is about what would make you buy or not buy a Rev.  I'm saying that losing out on otherwise multiplatform games because of hardware limitations is an issue for me that would affect my decision regarding a purchase.  That's on topic.  I'm not saying you're making a mistake in buying a Rev I'm just responding to the topic so lay off.

[Kairon]

Yeah, Ian already said he phrased what he said wrong and he should've said "I" instead of "you." And he's right, this is a thread about what would make us buy, or not buy the Rev.

Save all that negative energy you have accumulated by getting angry at Ian and find a healthy outlet for it, like the blue-ray disc media. Now THAT is something that deserves your derision.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[trip1eX]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
trip1eX this thread is about what would make you buy or not buy a Rev.  I'm saying that losing out on otherwise multiplatform games because of hardware limitations is an issue for me that would affect my decision regarding a purchase.  That's on topic.  I'm not saying you're making a mistake in buying a Rev I'm just responding to the topic so lay off.

Exactly.  Why do you think I'm trying to point out that folks should ignore your opinion?  Why?  Because if Nintendo suddenly did everything opposite you'd still bitch.  

If you can bitch about Nintendo ad nauseum then I can come on here and remind folks how much your posts have nothing to do with Nintendo.  They are mostly bs.  After all it's a thread about buying a REv.  Folks should know where you're coming from.  And that's from a deep well of negativity.

If you really cared about 3rd party games and hardware limitations you'd own a 360 by now.  Come on.  Cut the bs.  

I'm only take joy in analyzing what folks are really trying to say.  That's all I'm doing here.



 

[antman100]

I wonder if Nintendo borrowed the RDF.

And by the way Lois, flowers don't play video games, silly.

[Kairon]

Ah, but trip1ex, Ian already stated a long time ago that he was never really with Nintendo by choice. He just doesn't like the direction that Sony and MS are going with games, and Nintendo is the last console maker who doesn't want to lead games down a path that will make him not want to play them.

He's not a Nintendo Fanboy, he's a consumer forced into the Nintendo camp by the mainstreaming of Sony and MS and by the loss of Sega.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Ian Sane]

"He's not a Nintendo Fanboy, he's a consumer forced into the Nintendo camp by the mainstreaming of Sony and MS and by the loss of Sega."

Well I wouldn't go that far.  I've pretty much always been a Nintendo fan.  I'm just not so keen on them lately as I was a few years ago.

[trip1eX]

Ah ok well I apologize if I was too hard on you.  I guess I go off on rants every month or so on ya cause you seem so negative.  

I do like analyzying people and it seems like you wouldn't be happy no matter what.  Further proof  seems to be evidenced by you (I guess)not liking SONY or MS either.   I stand by the you'll always be disappointed if you only look for things that disappoint you part of the rant I posted.

It is possible to be a fan and not be blind.  To look forward, but not be gullible.  .....

And I figure if I had as many complaints as you seem to have with NIntendo I wouldn't be here.  I'd be long gone playing on my 360 or pc or PS3 or PS2 or NES or ATari 2600 or maybe out of videogames all together.

I'm not saying you have to like the Revolution.  Or you can't criticize it.  But man why not find something else to enjoy and look forward to then.

Really I mean, worst case,  you can trade in the thing (Rev) if you don't like it.  You can sell it on Ebay or Craigslist.com.  YOu can return it to the store.  If you buy it at Costco you probably can return it 6 months later instead of just 90 days.  

REally in this day and age there's no reason not give something like a console  a first hand try if you're remotely interested in it and have the time.  You can always get most, if not all, of your money back somehow/someway.  

[GregLee]

If the picture quality of the Revolution is less than that of the old Gamecube (using component cables), I'll be much less likely to buy a Revolution.  So, I need quality 480p output, a component connection, and games that generate 480p.

If the sound quality of the Revolution is better than Dolby PLII, like say DD 5.1, I'd be more likely to buy a Revolution.  The competition, after all, gives us DD 5.1, or maybe even DD+ for the PS3.

Reading some previous postings, I understand that caring about sound and picture quality is like going over to the dark side, but that's just the way it is.  Personally, I do care.

[MaryJane]

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I think you're just negative.  You're eeyore in the Forest Acre Woods.

Uhh... I'm pretty sure it's the Hundred Acre Woods.

The Rev will have progressive scan. Already been announced. As for sound I have no idea, and there are some screen shots floating around that show some damn good quality graphics.  

[trip1eX]

hehe.  YOu're right.  

[Unholy Eyes]

The only thing that will stop me from buying a Rev at launch all depends on the games that are out.