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Offline ShyGuy

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New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« on: March 17, 2006, 03:30:17 PM »
Hi all, I'm looking at getting a new TV for when the Revolution comes out. The size I'm looking for is 20"-27". I don't really want a widescreen because I am leary about stretching images, and I don't need HiDef (har har) but I would like 480p. I don't know a whole lot about TVs, but this is one that I was looking at.

http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1535,00.html


What do the forum videophiles think? Keep in mind I want this for The Nintendo revolution, so I don't really care about non-related features.  

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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2006, 04:14:34 PM »
i have like a 27 inch sanyo widescreen tv...eeets niiiice
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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2006, 04:32:19 PM »
Dunno perm, I had bad experiences with Sanyo brand
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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2006, 04:51:42 PM »
That particular model is an HD-ready LCD display and priced accordingly ($500+ in a quick search). If you're going to go as small as 20" and don't care about HD, I would recommend a CRT. Paying for the HD compatibility goes wasted on a screen that small.

I'm a big fan of the Toshiba "PURE Flat" picture tube TVs (they have an 'F' in their model numbers.) The picture is VERY nice and they have component inputs. You'll save some money too. I had a sweet 20" model before I upgraded to a 32" HDTV version.

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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2006, 05:29:06 PM »
seeing those prices... i'm getting a projector.
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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2006, 05:51:34 PM »
I am not even kidding, this is the exact TV I got this morning (found a killer deal).  Although mine is LC-20B9U-S, it is exactly the same.

I haven't tested it out too much yet (just hooked up GC on component cables, woo!), but it really is beautiful.  The picture is crisp and clear.  Again, not much usage yet, but it is an incredible picture.  WAY better than my previous TV, which was some knock-off TV/VCR combo.  The blacks could be a bit darker probably, but overall it is leaps and bounds beyond my (now demoralized) TV.

Anyway, all the research I did on it before buying it (about an hour of research online) yielded good results.  

The machine itself is beautiful, has a cable management system, a good amount of inputs, and is compact.  Aesthetically, quite appealing.  

I can let you know more after I play around with different systems tonight if you'd like.  
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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2006, 07:08:26 PM »
This reminded me somehow the health warning in ever Nintendo console that you should play in the smallest TV possible and you should sit away from a considerable distance. does xbox or ps1/2 have similar warnings? because that doesnt seem to get along with the "HD era" of their succesors.  
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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2006, 07:22:11 PM »
I've had good luck with Samsung models in the past. We've got a Sharp TV (old 27"er) in the back room, but it's got a really annoying high frequency whine that sometimes gets going.

Personally, I'm probably going for a new TV when the Rev comes out, but I think I'm going to wait until the final specs are announced before I do (you never know). TVs seem to get cheaper and cheaper over time, so unless there's a great sale somewhere, waiting probably is a decent strategy.



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RE:New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2006, 07:34:50 PM »
Hey, thanks for the input. Strell, let me know how it works out for you. How is the sound?

I'm also looking at this model as well, it's a crt but it looks pretty nice

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/ArchivedTelevisions_2005/TXR2765AXXAA.asp

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2006, 04:25:39 AM »
CRTs of course will still pwn any sort of LCD/plasma display in terms of pure clarity/color quality, which is always something to think about.  I wanted an LCD because I'm fresh out of college, and hence would be moving around a lot within the next several years, and simply didn't want to put up with the hassle.  Helping your best friend lug his huge console 1982 100 pound behemoth television up creaky wooden stairs that look like they will break any minute does leave something of a lasting impression.

Shyguy, I'm no audiophile, so to be honest I wouldn't know if it is spectacular or not, but it's definitely a clear sound and can get loud.  I did notice that it seemed like some channels will be really quiet, and then others really loud.  I don't know if my old TV regulated that sort of thing better (which I highly doubt), if the new one handles audio levels more closely to their original volumes, or if I just didn't notice it until now.  I'd say the last option is the most likely.

(Just for kicks, one day I'm planning on getting a sound system from this site: niro1.com.  The information on them (and seeing them on some tv show called "I want that!," or so I think it was called that) sounds brilliant.  Apparently it's movie theatre quality for a low price.  It has a subwoofer, a receiver component, and the main speaker, so it can't get true surround sound, but it still gives left/right/front information.  Besides, not having cables running around all over the place pomotes the whole "clean" look thing.  Anyway!)

Some other things to mention (not really important, but I'll mention 'em):

It changes channels quickly.  My gf has a 15" Magnavox, and there's always lag when you change the channels.  Hugely annoying, because you'll punch in, say, 14, and it only reads the 1, so you end up on channel 1.  Or you press the channel up button, the number on the screen changes, but it doesn't actually change for a second or two.

It has VGA in, which is pretty cool, simply for the fact that I could attach my computer, which is really cool since I could theoretically (one day) have a Media Center machine hooked up, playing all sorts of things.

It has an "audio only" feature, which goes along well with the VGA in, because you could set up a huge MP3 list, turn off the LCD screen, and hear music for a while.  Or just let, say, a trippy screensaver run or something.  Whatever.

The remote is ugly and doesn't light up.  Also you really do need to aim pretty well for it to work.  My old TV, I could point it in the other direction entirely and still change channels.  This one is a bit more picky.  One day I'll eventually get, say, a Logitech Harmony remote, so this isn't that big of a deal.

It doesn't have HDMI input.  So if you are looking to get HD-DVD and/or BluRay, know that you can't use them, period.  This is the MPAA's decision and it sucks, but DVD is good enough for me.  I don't watch the extras anyway.  It only has two component inputs, but I use a Joytech receiver, which has 7 inputs, so that problem is alleviated.  Although if you don't have one, it will be an issue if you have a lot of systems.  Also, none of the inputs are in "easy to reach" locations - i.e., none of the front.  They are all in the back, and there's a panel you remove to expose them.  Personally I love that, as it promotes a very "clean" look, something I am obsessive compulsive over.  

Headphone port on the front.  Neat when someone is sleeping.  

It has Picture Flip, so it can be flipped right, upside-down/right, upside-down/left.  I guess this is perfect for freaking out drunk and/or high friends.  Which means I won't get many chances to abuse that sort of thing.

Hmmm...what else.  Has a handle on the back, for all your LCDTV and GC toting needs.  Is very light of course.  

There seems to be some confusion (to me at least) on what exactly it can output in terms of progressive scan.  Most sources say 480i, 480p, and 720p, but I've seen a few places where it says it can do 1080i (which should be "worse" than 1080p I believe).  The GC and the Rev won't output past 480p from what I understand (I believe Profession666 said that in my other thread), so this isn't an issue.  If you have a 360, you won't get the best quality from what I know.  But why would I talk about that here?  Anyway, the manual mentions an 1080 output, but again, that's one of the few places that does.  I don't think it really does, I think it's just stock material Sharp might be putting in all their manuals. But it is mentioned at least twice.....I guess it can at least accept the signal, but only outputs to 720p.  That might be it.  Still a bit confusing.

You can switch 4:3 and 16:9 ratios easily in the picture setup.  It's just a few presses away.  Great for widescreen DVDs.

Lastly, when I got an LCD monitor, it seemed...well, worse than my CRT.  But after using it for a while, I think you sort of adjust to it, so that stigma seems to have worn off.  Same issue here.  You adjust rather quickly.

Oh, and playing Viewtiful Joe on progressive scan?  My goodness.  I upgraded in the *nick* of time.    
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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2006, 08:35:01 AM »
Has Nintendo official announced yet what inputs the Rev will support?

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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2006, 09:04:24 AM »
lcds don't have as nice a picture and have limited viewing angles and are more expensive.  They are alot smaller tho.

CRTS have the best picture and are cheap, but are alot bulkier.  CRTS also will display regular TV better than lcds.  

The best test really is to just look at the TVs thru your own two eyes and try and buy locally so you can return the TV if there's problems.

Also I'm not sure how lcds and gaming mix aka the issue of ghosting.  They've come along way in 17-19" range, but from what I read the bigger lcds lag behind in this dept so be aware of that.

Also be aware of the whole input thing.  STuff like hi-def dvds might require you to have hdmi inputs for copy protection purposes.  Also make sure you have enough inputs for every thing you want to plug into it.


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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2006, 09:39:46 AM »
"lcds don't have as nice a picture"

haha
Buy a pc lcd 19"+ with a no dead pixel policy
then buy a hi-def tv box

rather then a tv lcd or plasma anyday my view
tv versions are normal terriably subpar

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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2006, 07:47:34 AM »
How ironic that Nintendo is constantly de-emphasizing graphics and HD and here someone wants to buy a new TV for the Rev.

Personally I would just wait until we know exactly what options Nintendo is going to provide and we actually see some screenshots.  I would wait for games as well just to see if you actually want to own a Rev.  No point in buying a new TV for a Rev unless you know for sure you will buy a Rev and I would think that even if you're optimistic about it you need to see some games before making an informed decision.  That just applies to any console.

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RE:New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2006, 09:58:24 AM »
Is it me or is Ian not looking forward to the  Revolution?  :P

Anyway the OP wanted help with a TV not with whether he should purchase a Revolution or not.

 

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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2006, 07:39:59 AM »
How Ironic that Ian turns a topic into whatever he can complain about.  How does a screenshot relate to  purchasing a new television with progressive scan?

Besides, If I got a new television for the Revolution and it turns out I didn't want the new Nintendo console, I guess I would have to throw that new TV away, cause it wouldn't be good for anything else!  

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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2006, 07:55:18 AM »
Well Shyguy, what are your other intended uses for the TV? The way you phrased the original post does actually bring up the point Ian observed. You shouldn't buy a new TV for the Revolution. You should buy a new TV to suit your entire lifestyle... so what are your other considerations?

Portable lifestyle?
Quality?
Output ports, future-proofing, and versatility?
Price?

The Rev will work on any TV, so it's the least of your worries in buying a new TV.

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2006, 08:03:19 AM »
...Maybe he just wants a new tv?  Damn.  Since the Rev will probably have progressive scan, maybe he just wants that?

Ian is fast becoming a troll.  There was no point to that post.  None.  Just trolling bullsh*t.

No one has to justify their purchase to anyone else on here, especially if they are going to be a condescending jerk about it.  
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RE:New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2006, 08:31:25 AM »
Why not just buy a crt hdtv? I got my toshiba 26 inch widescreen hdtv for $488 dollars. If you buy a crt tv you get to be able to play your revolution in 480p and can play hdtv content.  

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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2006, 08:56:47 AM »
"How does a screenshot relate to purchasing a new television with progressive scan?"

Well if the games don't look any good what do you need a fancy TV to view them on with?  Now they'll probably look fine.  I was using a screenshot as an example of information that we do not have about the Rev yet but an informed consumer would need to know ahead of time.  A screenshot can represent games that we want which is the whole reason to buy a console.  "Wait until we see some screenshots" means "wait until we know more".

"Besides, If I got a new television for the Revolution and it turns out I didn't want the new Nintendo console, I guess I would have to throw that new TV away, cause it wouldn't be good for anything else!"

You made it sound like the whole reason for purchasing a new TV was for the Rev and if the Rev didn't exist you otherwise wouldn't feel the need to buy a new TV.  So if that's your reason for buying a new TV then I suggest you wait because even if you still get a Rev the TV you want might be cheaper then.  If you want the TV anyway then go for it.

I looked at it like how some people will buy a console for a specific game and that game hasn't even come out yet.  And then later the game gets canned or it doesn't turn out to be that good and they feel like they wasted their money.

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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2006, 09:06:05 AM »
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I looked at it like how some people will buy a console for a specific game and that game hasn't even come out yet.  And then later the game gets canned or it doesn't turn out to be that good and they feel like they wasted their money.


That's good advice, because when you feel like you've been given the 'ol bait and switch and you've wasted your money, you start to develop latent negative energy around you and before you know it you're Ian, who still isn't happy with how Nintendo sold off Rare and tried but failed to fill in the void that left in their exclusive game library for the GC he bought expecting Rare-type games.

You don't want to become Ian now do you?

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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2006, 09:11:45 AM »
Sorry I asked.

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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2006, 11:49:32 AM »
"That's good advice, because when you feel like you've been given the 'ol bait and switch and you've wasted your money, you start to develop latent negative energy around you and before you know it you're Ian, who still isn't happy with how Nintendo sold off Rare and tried but failed to fill in the void that left in their exclusive game library for the GC he bought expecting Rare-type games."

Well I did want Pikmin and Rogue Leader so when I bought the console there were games I wanted on it.

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RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2006, 07:05:19 PM »
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I would wait for games as well just to see if you actually want to own a Rev. No point in buying a new TV for a Rev unless you know for sure you will buy a Rev and I would think that even if you're optimistic about it you need to see some games before making an informed decision. That just applies to any console.

I don't see the logic in this at all. People knew GameCube's first zelda game would be great when GameCube came out. People knew the game was great when it came out. Yet, in between those two times, people 'knew' the game would suck. And why? Because they saw screenshots.
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RE:New TV for the upcoming Revolution
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2006, 08:20:02 PM »
you hve any idea how many countless times i bought a game bsed on a single screenshotina magane, not a good practice. Ever since they put vidoes and reviews up on the internet its different but back when I was a kid a single screenshot was all it took. well and a cool name also.  I am considering getting a new tv also, possible HD cuz I want a big screen and wide screen also. I want to be abel to watch Star Wars teh way it was meant to be seen. Also when ther ev comes out I will be getting one and woudl like to play Duck Hunt on a giant screen.  
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