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« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2006, 01:19:00 PM »
Ian Sane, don't knock Halo. It gave all us casual FPS-ers infinite lives that enabled us to play a game on high-difficulty without frustration. Do not underestimate that effect: a similar "easier-for-casuals" quest-based quick-levelling gameplay has catapaulted WoW to astronomical heights of success.

That itself is enough for me to watch Bungie with interest.

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« Reply #76 on: March 20, 2006, 01:23:31 PM »
"As for the collaboration, it didn't save SFA, JFG, DK64, or Banjo-Tooie. Rare clearly works harder on games THEY want to make. I don't think Nintendo's help made all that much of a difference because Nintendo's franchises turn out poorly when made by Rare (DK64 and SFA)."

Well I did like Banjo-Tooie.  When I talk about "collaboration" I don't mean Nintendo telling Rare to force this franchise in here or make a sequel to that.

Maybe Rare does suck now.  I still didn't get what I was promised when the Cube first came out.  Deep down I think I'm more pissed that Nintendo didn't seem to care at all that Rare was gone and made no attempt to fill the hole their absence made.  That's probably the real issue.  Something that made the N64 special wasn't there on the Cube and Nintendo didn't give a sh!t as long as I bought their redundant cash-in Mario spinoffs.

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« Reply #77 on: March 20, 2006, 01:33:24 PM »
That's fair, but I think Nintendo tried by forming alliances with companies like Capcom, Sega, Namco and Konami to bring games to the Cube.

However, I DO think they need more of that, and if the DS is any indication, Nintendo has become much better at wooing 3rd parties. Let's hope that know-how carries to the Rev.
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« Reply #78 on: March 20, 2006, 01:33:50 PM »
Wait a second...YOU bought the mario cash-in spin-offs!?!?!

I...regret to say that I...didn't... I keep saying I'll buy Mario Super Strikers, or maybe the next Mario Party...but I...don't.... I... didn't even buy Mario Tennis or Golf for the N64...

*GASP* Ian's more faithful to Nintendo than I am! I'm...I'm...I'm UNWORTHY! /cry

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« Reply #79 on: March 20, 2006, 01:40:40 PM »
"Wait a second...YOU bought the mario cash-in spin-offs!?!?!"

No I didn't.  Sorry if what I wrote wasn't clear.

Well I did buy DDR Mario Mix.

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« Reply #80 on: March 20, 2006, 01:44:52 PM »
I didn't even buy DDR Mario Mix...

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I'm a bad fanboy! Bad!

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« Reply #81 on: March 20, 2006, 01:49:48 PM »
Mario DDR is a great entry to the franchise.

Bowser's Castle on the hardest setting is about an 8-9 foot song, and they don't get much harder than that. 90% of DDR songs are awful and nearly painful to listen to so Mario DDR was a breath of fresh air. I don't outright HATE any of the songs, and that's saying a lot more than it might seem.

Also, I predicted the creation of Mario DDR after Konami was given Silicon Knights to make MGS for the cube. Not important, but I figured I'd get that out there.
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« Reply #82 on: March 20, 2006, 01:54:51 PM »
Hehe, Smash_Brother, sounds like the time I predicted that FFVII would be released on PC when I had digested the news that it would come out on PSX's cd.

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« Reply #83 on: March 20, 2006, 01:57:20 PM »
Was one of those "logically follows" conclusions, right?
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« Reply #84 on: March 20, 2006, 03:24:51 PM »
I'm pretty damn sure Nintendo "tried" to fill in the gap Rare once occupied.  But let's see, Nintendo goes from having one "productive" external multi-team super dev. house in Rare, to basically nothing, with the exception of the 1Team/1Game hatchlings Retro/NST/SiliconKnights.  (getting lots of money was nice, but it doesn't make mid-stage game projects overnight).  So yeah, Nintendo only had 3rd party devs/pubs to turn to to get games made (dunno if they were tired of their 2nd-party strategy at this time).

Who said it was going to be easy (for Nintendo)?

As I see it, Nintendo basically spent the past few years "buying drinks" for all these 3rd parties, trying to approach them as partners rather than competitors.  Probably a difficult thing when:  they ARE competitors, and their console isn't a runnaway success/#1.  I believe they have been moderately successful, and I think I've gotten a healthy handful of significant games from those deals.  I've personally gotten more games and more VALUE out of these 3rd parties than what Rare offered me on N64 -- and I seriously doubt most of these games would've come our way if Nintendo just sat back and let the 3rd parties be the "financially and creatively sound" entities they are.

It's apparent that Nintendo and the GameCube simply didn't have a lot to offer to those 3rd parties at the time.  So productivity was slow and thin at best, but it seems to have built a better collaborative platform for hopping onto Rev (and DS), which stills looks more promising than the the jump from the N64 to the GameCube.

Pre-GameCube, I was excited about your standard potential Nintendo/Rare franchises everyone else was excited about, plus Rogue Leader.

Pre-Revolution, I'm not mainly excited about the familiar Ninty franchises we "can't live without."  I'm excited about Suda51's game, I'm excited about the funky unknown new Nintendo property, I'm excited about whoever is willing to dare.
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« Reply #85 on: March 20, 2006, 03:55:14 PM »
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I specfied as prior to Nintendo going sequel crazy which I feel coincides with Nintendo selling Rare.  Those came out much later.


Oh, I see... so more than half of Nintendo's original titles for the Cube came out AFTER they went sequel crazy and stopped making original titles?

To me, it seems pretty arbitrary to pick that point as some sort of great turning point. Look at the first party titles for the N64. Hell, look at the first party titles for the SNES. The vast majority of them are sequels. The percentage of sequels and licensed titles to original titles doesn't seem to have changed markedly for Nintendo in the past 15 years.


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« Reply #86 on: March 20, 2006, 06:48:52 PM »
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Was one of those "logically follows" conclusions, right?


Hey! Quit raining on my parade!

Well, now you've done it. I want it known that whenever people would talk about what developer Nintendo should buy next in the period before the gamecube, I always listed DMA as my top choice. DMA eventually made GTA 3.

Ah, vanity...

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« Reply #87 on: March 20, 2006, 06:54:02 PM »
I predicted that there would be a Mario game of some sort on the Cube. Scary, I know..  
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« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2006, 07:08:10 PM »
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Hey! Quit raining on my parade!


I was serious.

Konami getting a remade MGS on the GC with Nintendo's resources was a sweet deal for them. The conclusion that a DDR Mario game would be out is pretty obvious, if you think about it.

What game have they NOT put Mario into?
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« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2006, 07:10:39 PM »
Hmm...yeah, you're right. Darn 20 / 20 hindsight, I should've had the presence of mind to catch that MGS:TS -> Konami -> DDR connection like you did.

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« Reply #90 on: March 20, 2006, 07:31:43 PM »
It's no big deal. If you're not a DDR nut or didn't buy MGS (or both), you'd likely never care.

I myself await the day they combine DDR with Silent Scope and we get "Sniper Sniper Revolution".
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« Reply #91 on: March 20, 2006, 09:05:19 PM »
Dance Dance Revolution Revolution

REvolution

Konami and Capcom would be insane not to cash in on these..
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