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Yamauchi tells it like it is
« on: March 14, 2006, 07:17:58 PM »
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People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games," he noted in a 1999 interview. Yamauchi went on to call RPGs as a whole both "silly and boring."

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RE: Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2006, 07:22:38 PM »
Huzzah for the end of Nintendo-Square feuding.  Yamauchi *does* know Pokemon Gold/Silver, released November of 1999 in Japan, is an RPG...right?
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RE: Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2006, 07:26:33 PM »
Totally different games to FF and DQ

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RE:Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2006, 07:33:40 PM »
As if having an N64 in 1999 was action packed.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2006, 08:04:47 PM »
I am going to have to agree with him, whatever the case may be.

Because he's very right.
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RE: Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2006, 08:04:55 PM »
If Nintendo eventually loses the gaming war, it was because of that man. He's the one who scared Square into the waiting arms of Sony which resulted in the PS1 beating the N64.

A quick glance at the Famitsu top 100 games of all time list (voted on by Japanese gamers) shows that 75% of the games which Japanese gamers consider in the top 100 are RPGs, with I believe the entire top 20 being RPGs.
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2006, 09:15:35 PM »
Heh.  You guys can be big talkers, but you'd crumble before the Fist of Yamauchi.

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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2006, 10:08:16 PM »
Hahahahahahahaha! That guy RULES! What a badass!  

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RE:Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2006, 11:12:30 PM »
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If Nintendo eventually loses the gaming war, it was because of that man.
Of course it will be because of him, without Yamauchi Nintendo would not be in the gaming war at all. You're a fool Smash Brother, without him you would have nothing from Nintendo.  
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RE: Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2006, 12:09:39 AM »
So RPGs appeal to the emo demographic? That seems to be quite a huge chunk even in the west.

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RE: Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2006, 05:28:51 AM »
I think I know whats -really- going on here.

Yamauchi's favorite childhood pet was killed by a copy of Dragon Quest 4, so now he lashes out against RPGs at every chance.  There's alot of pent up rage and aggression there, and I don't think he knows how to channel it properly.  

Honestly, I can only see this ending badly for him.
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2006, 05:59:21 AM »
Blah...


and Blah again...

That's all I've got...
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RE:Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2006, 09:19:15 AM »
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Of course it will be because of him, without Yamauchi Nintendo would not be in the gaming war at all. You're a fool Smash Brother, without him you would have nothing from Nintendo.


I think Miyamoto is the one who truly deserves the credit here.
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2006, 10:52:27 AM »
Yamauchi's a pretty traditional Japanese businessman, for his age.  He's a relic, but Nintendo's success was affected by his efforts.

And RPGs are for depressed, unattractive, boring losers.  The fact that this demographic makes up the majority of the gaming population is Yamauchi's greatest oversight.
Also Miyamoto is not the only success factor for Nintendo.  They have hordes of brilliant developers, Miyamoto just happens to have made Nintendo perfect.  Or as close as it comes.  Besides, I imagine Yamauchi hired Miyamoto.
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2006, 11:04:04 AM »
Hiring the guy who makes the company what it is only gets you so far, really.
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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2006, 11:45:38 AM »
Yamauchi in the Japanese feudal era would have been very succesful and a name to have respect, but in these modern buisness days he is incompetent!

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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2006, 12:13:55 PM »
Jesus guys... Saying RPGs are for depressed overweight ugly people is like saying a good book is for sad lonely people... Come on.  Why are RPGs the easiest genre to hate on?  It doesn't make sense.  For some people, they often want to be entertained without peaking their stress with an fps or something of the like.

I'd take a nice laid back game of Pokemon, FF, or Tales over a game like RE4 any day.  I'm not going to sit here and say RE4 is a bad game.  I do play it when I'm in the mood to stress myself out... Amazingly, that isn't very often. =P

Blind genre hating is for nerds. =P


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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2006, 12:22:01 PM »
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Yamauchi in the Japanese feudal era would have been very succesful and a name to have respect, but in these modern buisness days he is incompetent!


Yamauchi would have made a good Shogun.
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2006, 02:32:46 PM »
I still think that he was a far more aggressive leder than iwata and I despaeratly loing for the days when they get a strong leader like him again.  N64 didnt fail because Ps1 did so well, N64 actualy sold pretty damn good oni ts own without rpgs, without fighting games, with little 3rd aprty support and a flooding of crap platformers. N64 had cartridges which were a decent format but inferior in every way to cds and yet they STILL managed to get OOT made and made it look absolutly beautiful. Play ANY game that was on both ps and n64 and you can clearly see that despite the storage difference the n64 clearly out performs and over powers ps1 in EVERY way.

Playstations success was NOT based on ff7 liek so many ignorant people beleive. Playstation had a very strong hold on the market even before 97 when ff7 came out. Even with FF7 Nintendo still managed to nearly match its sales with Zelda OOT. And nothing matched the sucess of Pokemon in those days. NOT EVEN FF7.

Yamauchi ONLY hired Miyomoto as a favor to his friend which was Shiggys dad. He starte dhim out as an artist and the only reason he got his hands on DK was because they desperatly needed artistic value int heir games to stand out agiasnt all the action packed games that were drowning thiers out.




Yamauchi may have been bullheaded but he sure as hell knew how to MAKE people listen to Nintendo.


I sat through the NES days, SNES days, N64 and GC and yes they have had thier fair share of mistakes and they have had plenty of successes, but so far since he has left the only success they have had is teh DS (GBA SP does not count because GBA was already popular and SP onlyu improved on it) GC didnt have a prayer in hell because they made too many miostakes early on, not because of lack of 3rd party suport because the phucking gc had three times the amount of games as N64 and still gets the major multi platform games, n64 rarely got multi platform anything except the EA sports and Acclaim stuff.

Gc had a masive marketing push in its early years and has had plenty of million sellers, mostly early on. Even 3rd party games. Also GC had more 3rd party exclusives than N64 had.  Gc failed because Nintendo made little mistakes and didnt listen to custumers. itw snt until 2003 that Xbox passed it in sales and thatw as AFTER Iwata took over, so far I see HIM as the poor leader and not Yamauchi.  

Look at it this way, durring his leadership Nintendo went from a small unheard of CARD company who had dabbled in toys and love hotels, into THE MOST RESPECTED name in video games. Durring Iwatas leadership Nintendo has nearly lost the console war and is only winning the hadheld  market because 1 they were leader and have a reputation (yamauchi is responsible for) and 2 Sony's arrogance.


Revolution has not proven itself yet. the system as the greatest poetential of any game system ever made BUT all the POTENIAL in the world wont do spit if they have poor leadership. Now thast nto to say i dont haev faith in Revolution but My faith is mroe in Reggie and his aggressive attitude and the mere potential of the system. Iwata is quiet and sounds very nervous in interviews, Yamauchi was demanding and powerfull in his speaches.


Anyways sorry for long rant but tehre was a lot of stuff unsaid that I felt needed to be said.




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RE: Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2006, 02:43:18 PM »
I like Iwata's techniques far more. The man knows diplomacy.
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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2006, 03:07:42 PM »
Yamauchi > all. No, Nintendo and the video game industry would not be even remotely the same without Yamauchi, is easy to say that all thas been done couldve happen without him, but Smash Brother, you are just deluding yourself, resurrecting the industry after the crash was almost equivalent to try to resurrect minidiscs or the betamax format right now, we own a lot to the guy.

And rpgs, Ill never get why people think that chosing an attack from a menu to substract a number who represents health is remotely fun.
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RE:Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2006, 03:09:52 PM »
sorry NOT TRUE Smash Brother, Nintendo and Sony co developed a SNES/CD hybrid that could play SNES game and new Cd games. it was based on the SNES architechture and didnt ad much too it except more ram and a few little effects. Itw as equevilant on power to SNES running with a couple SFX chips, a vast improvment but not nearly as powerfull as PS became.  the play station Nintendo and sony dewveloped is NOT CLOSE to the PLAYSTATION that was reeased. The ONLY reason why Nintendo called off the deal in the first place ws because Sony wanted royalties on the GAMES and Nintendo said no. They even went and developed thier own cd system with Phillips, the CD-i, which failed to catch on but mostly because Nintendo failed to support it or claim it as thier design.


Square was developing games for N64, they didnt abandon it because of Cds, they are on record of this, sony paid them a HUGE sum of moeny adn agreed to finance FF7 if it went exclusive. THEN Sony put up cash into buyin a chunk of Squares stock to have greater control.



Sure alot of people YOU know bot a PS1 JUST for FF7, millions of people got one for that game alone, but not EVERYONE who got one bought that game. Tekken, Ridge Racer, Wipe Out, Crash bandicoot, those games all came BEFORE FF7 and they were HUGE sellers on thier own. Not to mention all the stuff that came after. FF7 was one of the biggest selling games and yes I loved it its a great game, and yes a lot of peopel did buy a PS1 because of that game, but it was not their only big franshise. I know more peopel who got a playstationf or Grand Turissmo, which sell in the millions also, or Resident Evil also million sellers, than for ff7.  Also Resident Evil 2 was on both systems and it was carts, FF7 could have been done on N64 they would have just ahd to compress alot, adn they were WILLING to put in the effort, after all tehy had major success on Nintendo systems (Ff1-6, Chrono Trigger, Mario Rpg, ect) Sony BRIBED them and that is why the left, plain and simple. they said they liked the cd and were extremely happy not to have to put in extra effort but they would have gladly put in the effort to make it work on N64 if SOny hadnt come along.


Maybe you could blaim Yamauchi for NOT bribing Square to stay but Nintendo could NEVER out bid Sony for anything. Also Namcos exclusivity for Playstation early on was due to Sony bribes and Namco has made more than tier fair share of hits for Playstation 1 and 2.  
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RE: Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2006, 04:09:38 PM »
This discussion is too serious.
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RE: Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2006, 04:29:18 PM »
No serious discussion please, you're all banned, and Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest suck!

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RE: Yamauchi tells it like it is
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2006, 04:43:59 PM »
Heh, sorry.

I'm arguing for RPGs, I'm arguing against letting a cash cow wander out of the barn.
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