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Offline codyy

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« on: February 26, 2003, 11:42:25 AM »
EGM has rated the legend of Zelda a:
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10
1-....huh?... You're kidding...no! a 9.5!!!

While that is still an excellent score, I believe it should have gotten all tens. Grand Theft Auto did. How such an innovative superb game could be outscored by GTA: VC is beyond me. So let's all e-mail Dan Hsu (Mr. 9.5) and complain.
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2003, 11:44:45 AM »
thats just his opinion man, let it be...



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I'll shut up now...

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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2003, 11:46:33 AM »
Can you post his email adress?
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2003, 11:47:33 AM »
Yeah, I would like his email address too.
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2003, 11:48:11 AM »
well we did hear that the boat ride from diffrent islands was tedious after awhile, maybe he was one of the peole who really didn't like that.
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2003, 11:52:37 AM »
Guys calm down, those scores are awesome...its probably not a PERFECT GAME...and if its not perfect it doesn't deserve all 10s. The only games I've ever played that I think deserve a perfect score are probably OOT and Soul Calibur.














Oh SH!T GTA:VC got a perfect score from EGM....burn their headquarters!

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2003, 11:53:42 AM »
A 9.5?

Oh hell no. Lets all burn our magazines and send whoever the hell thought the game wasn't the best thing since sliced bread death threats! Or how about we Sub7 him? Yeah! That'd teach him for having an opinion!
We could hack his computer and cry like girls.

Who cares if the game didn't get straight 10's? It was damn close.
The people who reviewed GTA III might of all felt it was worthy of perfect scores. This Dan fellow might of thought Zelda: WW was not a worthy 10.

Let it be.  

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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2003, 12:43:03 PM »
We will not be using the PGC Forums to launch a "mail this guy and complain about his OPINION" campaign, thank you very much.
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2003, 01:35:46 PM »
LOL  Vice City got ALL 10's?????????
Ok, I can name PLENTY of glitches in the game.  First, it freezes at particular spots.  Second, the controls, although very useful, aren't very responsive.  Third, it's EGM.  I can name plenty of other mags that are stuck up Sony's and MS's butt.  Don't worry about it.  9.5 is alot better than what I thought it'd get.  I figured that since they usually don't like inovative, rock hard games that it'd get like a 9.0 or maybe an 8.5.  But I'm happy with that score.  Peace
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2003, 02:03:55 PM »
Soapbox time.  This is why Numerical scores suck: because NO ONE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND THEM.  Getting all 10's does not mean the game is perfect ( THERE IS NO SUCH THING. ).  Frankly, I don't think GTAVC justified three 10's, but that really is just my opinion--it seems like more of an upgrade to me after having played it, though I have not beaten it.  Still, EGM plead their cases very well in that review, and every reason you can come up with for why it wasn't a game worthy of 10's was pretty much addressed in their review.

If the sailing and the ease with which Zelda is beaten is THAT big of a deal to Mark (I believe he's the one who gave it a 9.5), so what?  I mean, I was a little surprised by it, but if you're going to get angry about one guy not thinking a game was a true 10, then more power to you, but what's the use?  Furthermore, who says you can compare GTAVC's score with Zelda's?  You can't.  Different systems, different expectations, different games.

As far as I'm concerned, he basically did give it a 10 because his issues with it were so niggling.  He flatly says, "It's one of the most unique and enjoyable games ever--play it. "  If you still think the score matters that much, then you're missing the point that anyone who goes only on scores (or only on reviews period) isn't the kind of gamer who would buy Zelda in the first place because he's a mindless moron.

The best part is this: NONE OF YOU HAVE PLAYED THE GAME.  Now, there's no way you KNOW you'd give it a 10 unless you're so impressionable that you follow what the critics say to the latter.  How about sending those emails to Shoe AFTER YOU'VE PLAYED AND BEATEN THE GAME?  Then at least you'll have something to go on more than what you HOPE the score is.

EDIT: And I'm really sick of this attitude that if you don't agree with a review, it must be that the writers are "stuck up another company's butt" to quote an oft-repeated phrase seen above.  Hello?  THEY GAVE IT NEARLY A PERFECT SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!  That .5 can't mean that much to you.   Have a look at the this month's XBOX scores and tell me if EGM is stuck up MS's butt.  I seriously don't see any partisanship going on at EGM, at least any more than you can expect.  I'd hate to see half the people who write posts like those above writing for a huge mag like EGM--it'd be "Sony SUX!" and "M$ GETS BENT!" in nearly every review.  For all the flaws of human beings, the writers at EGM and countless other publications do a darn good job of keeping their inherent and always-present biases at bay.  Start reading your own posts every once in a while--see who's biased then.
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2003, 02:18:22 PM »
Don't get all worked up about such pointless scores. They do not affect the quality of the game, they are merely the opinions of three gamers. I'm sure EGM was expecting retaliation for giving Zelda: WW two tens and a 9.5, so let's disappoint them. Angering your readership is but one way to generate publicity. You'll rant and rave about it to your friends, who've probably never even heard of the mag, and then, if they hate Nintendo, they'll be wanting this magazine. Those who despise Nintendo (hey, there are some out there) will be glad to see a hugely published magazine crush Nintendo fanboy hype.

I think we should take this with a grain of salt. True, we Nintendo fans have been getting a huge dose of sodium chloride lately, figuratively speaking, but we must always remember that opinions are not usually stated to please others. They exist because each of us has a unique way of viewing things. This guy who gave Wind Waker a 9.5 must have a pretty screwy perspective on life, but there ya go.



Edit: and when you think about it, saying GTA:VC doesn't deserve a perfect score is as much an opinionated remark as saying Zelda: WW does.  
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2003, 02:24:07 PM »
Billy Bob Thornton says to Rodtod (employ heavy accent): "Hey, I like the way you talk."

I like what you have to say here.  I really do.

Whether it's a publicity-stunt or not, Nintendo fans need to (now employing self-help phrasings) " RISE ABOVE IT. "  Can I have an AMEN or WHAT???  Way to go, Rod.  You're my hero, now.  Now and forever.*

*Okay, not forever, and I won't say you're my hero because that'll hurt Jerry Mathers's feelings.  However, I like what you say here.  Yes.

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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2003, 02:24:44 PM »
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Originally posted by: RahXephon
well we did hear that the boat ride from diffrent islands was tedious after awhile, maybe he was one of the peole who really didn't like that.



Vice City's not perfect either.
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2003, 02:42:30 PM »
Curious, what did Super Mario Sunshine get on EGM?

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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2003, 02:47:37 PM »
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Originally posted by: NickNiteQ93
LOL  Vice City got ALL 10's?????????
Ok, I can name PLENTY of glitches in the game.  First, it freezes at particular spots.  Second, the controls, although very useful, aren't very responsive.  Third, it's EGM.  I can name plenty of other mags that are stuck up Sony's and MS's butt.  Don't worry about it.  9.5 is alot better than what I thought it'd get.  I figured that since they usually don't like inovative, rock hard games that it'd get like a 9.0 or maybe an 8.5.  But I'm happy with that score.  Peace


In addtion to those glitches he named I can name one more.  THE COPS CAN SHOOT YOU THROUGH WALLS!!! I dont understand how EGM can give a game a perfect score with glitches, and then not give Zelda a perfect score.  I mean they didn't name any glitches  in Zelda.  But GTAVC has plenty of glitches that interfere with playing the game, and I know someone is going to tell me that the guy didn't like riding in the boat.  Well at least you can ride the boat without it disapearing.  If you don't believe me about the glitches go to Extended Play's GTA:VC review  
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This causes the frustration level to skyrocket for anyone trying to play "GTA: VC" as a game, rather than using it as a toy to play around with.
My favorite quote from the review.

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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2003, 05:41:47 PM »
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Originally posted by: RahXephon
well we did hear that the boat ride from diffrent islands was tedious after awhile, maybe he was one of the peole who really didn't like that.
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Vice City's not perfect either."


Oh, trust me i know it is not.  But it could have been a diffrent reviewer who did the score, and like i said, he could have bee one of the people who were REALLY frustrated with that.  Like there is that one song everyone likes but you.  Maybe that something just personally made him mad.  
Anyway, isn't it getting the score else where too.  I thought IGN gave it 10-10-9.5  

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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2003, 07:13:01 PM »
Heh . . . I can just imagine some alternate life in which I was a reviewer for EGM in 1998 when the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time came out.  I'm sure Nintendo fans would have come after me with pitchforks and torches for daring to give the game a 9.5, despite the fact that I'm a life-long Nintendo fan who has owned nothing but Nintendo consoles.  (For more outrageous scores from FFantasyFX, check the sig below ).

As rodtod (hey rodtod! ) and Sean perfectly explained, a 9.5 is nothing to get upset about.  Reviews are ultimately the reviewer's entirely subjective opinions on that game.  If other staff members on EGM had reviewed Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, perhaps it wouldn't have gotten a Platinum Award.  If Shoe (or some other staff member) would have reviewed Wind Waker instead of Mark, maybe it would have gotten a Platinum Award.  If I would have been on EGM's staff in 1998 and reviewed Ocarina, it wouldn't have gotten a platinum award.   Woulda, shoulda, coulda . . . Entirely too much emphasis and expectation is placed on reviews nowadays.


VideoGamerJ:  SMS got a 9.5-9.5-9.5, which in my opinion is a pretty fair evaluation.

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2003, 07:46:20 PM »
I am not mad at the 9.5.  I am mad because a piece of crap like Vice City gets a perfect score while Zelda doesn't.  It's like that girl you had a crush on back in high school who would only go out with the most worthless men she could find.  It's insulting.
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2003, 01:56:53 AM »
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Originally posted by: codyy
EGM has rated the legend of Zelda a:
10
10
1-....huh?... You're kidding...no! a 9.5!!!.
Only perfect games should get perfect 10s.  And Zelda: WW is not perfect.

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2003, 02:27:55 AM »
"Only perfect games should get perfect 10s. And Zelda: WW is not perfect."

Yeah, neither is GTA: Vice City or Halo, but EGM obviously felt they deserved perfect 10's. Obviously they don't follow your mantra.
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2003, 06:36:07 AM »
I agree, Halo was most definetly no perfect, it was fun, but thats it.  An vice city gets soooo monotonous.  Buildings and beaches, Buildings and beachs.  The only variety in the game is the cars and the soundtrack.  
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2003, 09:43:32 AM »
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Only perfect games should get perfect 10s. And Zelda: WW is not perfect.


Did you actually read any of the posts here? Nobody is mad because it got a 9.5. tThey are mad because GTA:VC, the POS addon for the worlds worst game, got perfect 10s.  
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2003, 09:58:11 AM »
No game is every going to be "perfect".  No matter what SOMEONE will not like it.  Therefore a 10 score shouldn't be seen as a perfect score but rather just the highest score a game can achieve.  A 10 doesn't mean a perfect game; it means a really really good game that's one of the best ever made.

Notice this "highest score means it's perfect" thing only comes up with videogames?  If a critic gives a movie five stars no one says the movie is perfect.  It's just a really great movie worthy of the highest praise.  Book reviews and music reviews are the same thing.  You never read a review in a newspaper where a movie critic gives a movie ****3/4 and say they would have given it ***** but "no film is perfect".

Wind Waker isn't a perfect game but it's probably still worthy of a perfect score.  Vice City and Halo aren't perfect games either but their perfect score doesn't mean that.  If EGM gives a game all tens it means that they are giving it the highest recommendation they can give.  That's it.

I do think Vice City is a little overrated though.  If Nintendo released a sequel that cookie cutter without fixing some of the major flaws (like aiming) they would have been murdered by critics.  Not fairly (why does Nintendo have to always be original but EA can release the same sports game every year?) but they still would have.

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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2003, 10:20:47 AM »
Don't get me wrong on my comment- I LOVE Halo (great FPS), and I personally own VC and love it as well, but neither are perfect, VC much less so than Halo, IMO. I agree with Ian that no game will *ever* be perfect, which is one reason I prefer IGN and GameRevolution's rating systems. IGN gives perfect scores to the games that represent the pinacle of achievment in that genre or videogames in general at that time. I believe the only 2 perfect scores they've ever given were Soul Calibur and Ocarina of Time, both of which I agree with. GameRevolution, which has a letter-grade system, refuses to give out an A+ because that believe no game will EVER be perfect. Their highest attainable score is an A, which is still very difficult to get (GR's prety toguh on games).

ialso agree with Koopa- a 9.5 is a GREAT score, but why did Vice City and Halo and Gran Turismo 3 get perfect scores over Wind Waker? I bet even Metroid Prime, my 5th favorite game, is not even as good or as polished as Wind Waker.
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2003, 11:36:07 AM »
well egm has been good to nintendo. they gave mario 9.0s and a 9.5 and animal crossing 9.0s too. Metroid got three tens, and skies of arcadia bet out panzer dragoon in score and won their game of the month award. you can't complain.
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