Author Topic: NEW Super Mario Bros. Title? (Read 55750 times)

IceCold · « **Reply #200 on:** May 23, 2006, 08:11:57 PM »

I would say it's a bit easier; it definitely gets tricky in some parts, though..

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #201 on:** May 23, 2006, 08:50:07 PM »

First off, A Link to the Past is not nearly the greatest Zelda game (Link's Awakening is). In fact, it's probably the Zelda game I liked least of all the ones I've played.
Those including every Zelda game except Oracle of Seasons and Zelda II.
It didn't feel like Zelda. It was just hack and slash bullsh!t; the puzzles were few, and simple. I liked the game, but it's not what I expect of a Zelda game.
Had to get that off my chest.

As for NSMB, collecting all the coins now. Have most of them. Challenging and fun.
With the exception of the special tube area in SMW, I'd say this is on par, difficulty-wise. Maybe I just didn't have that much trouble with the old games.
One thing, it is easier to get extra lives. But that's more convenient than anything, because I don't have to go through the Game Over, restart everything crap when I die. That's pointless, if I'm just going to start it back up again anyway.

Arbok · « **Reply #202 on:** May 23, 2006, 08:53:47 PM »

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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
First off, A Link to the Past is not nearly the greatest Zelda game (Link's Awakening is). In fact, it's probably the Zelda game I liked least of all the ones I've played.
Those including every Zelda game except Oracle of Seasons and Zelda II.
It didn't feel like Zelda.

And Awakening's Mario inspired platform segments did?

A Link to the Past will always remain my favorite Zelda game in the series with Ocarnia of Time as a close second... also what is up with this topic getting derailed so often?

IceCold · « **Reply #203 on:** May 23, 2006, 09:13:20 PM »

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Those including every Zelda game except Oracle of Seasons and Zelda II.

CD-i ones? Oracle of Ages? Minish Cap? Four Swords?

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #204 on:** May 24, 2006, 02:17:01 AM »

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A Link to the Past will always remain my favorite Zelda game in the series with Ocarnia of Time as a close second

I second that motion.

I would also like to add that the New SMB is NOWHERE near the difficulty of SMB3. I would say it is on par with SMW which IMO was not a very challenging game(1 of my favorite games but a much different type of challenge compared to the NES ones). SMB3 without skipping levels is brutal and with the New SMB I never got that feeling of pure hatred for the game for its ridiculous difficulty(probably a good thing). Oh yeah and SMB2(Japan) also beats the New SMB for difficulty easily.

The only reason I can come up with for it being easier is the simple fact that it relies alot less on pure skill and timing. Most levels play out like puzzles(to get the coins) where as old SMB games were focused on making jumps perfect, memorizing levels to avoid hitting stray goombas and general skill based stunts (with no wall jump to save your ass). Not that I am saying the New SMB was a bad game(as a matter of fact I freaking love this game), it just wasn't a very hard one IMHO.

UncleBob · « **Reply #205 on:** May 24, 2006, 05:50:38 AM »

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And Awakening's Mario inspired platform segments did? A Link to the Past will always remain my favorite Zelda game in the series with Ocarnia of Time as a close second... also what is up with this topic getting derailed so often?

Why can't Link's Awakening's platforming elements be inspired by the platforming elements from the original Legend of Zelda? (aside from the Goombas and Plants, of course)...

I like seeing LA getting all the love it does on these forums. It's good to know that there are others who recognize the fact that it's the best damn game ever created. Like, if aliens came down and wanted to sample our culture, I'd totally make them play this game.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #206 on:** May 24, 2006, 07:33:50 AM »

I'd say this game might be slightly easier than the classics, but it's not that big of a difference (with the exception of Japanese SMB2). I think ithe game saves are the big difference. Mr. Jack compared it to Super Mario World, and notice how that game also had a save feature. If you can play a level over and over again it stops being so hard. There were several times when this game had me swearing like a sailor, and I don't normally do that.

I hear complaints about not flying, and I understand where those are coming from, but I disagree. I believe this game makes up for the lost depth of flight with so many other things. Tons of amazing platforms, good use of wall-jumping, great enemy layout and movement, and just lots of brilliantly-designed action. I'd like to see more regular saves and harder bosses, but the game is still a 9.5, if not a 10, in my book.

Edit: Noted that Japanese SMB2 is a hard mutha.

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #207 on:** May 24, 2006, 08:00:09 AM »

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I would say it is on par with SMW which IMO was not a very challenging game

the Special World Levels give me headaches ¬¬

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #208 on:** May 24, 2006, 08:41:59 AM »

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I hear complaints about not flying, and I understand where those are coming from, but I disagree. I believe this game makes up for the lost depth of flight with so many other things. Tons of amazing platforms, good use of wall-jumping, great enemy layout and movement, and just lots of brilliantly-designed action.

I'm really hoping Nintendo keeps this engine and starts making sequels to this game with more throwbacks such as flight. I would greatly enjoy a new series of classic SMB action. The general response to the game seems to be extremely positive. Hopefully Nintendo gets the fact that people love their old school SMB and want to see more of it. I guess either way we have Super Paper Mario to look forward to for some more sidescrolling action.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #209 on:** May 24, 2006, 09:56:35 AM »

"CD-i ones? Oracle of Ages? Minish Cap? Four Swords?"

The CD-i ones don't count, and I've played the other three.
Also, Link's Awakening does have short platforming segments here and there, but it's also the first Zelda with really complex and interesting puzzles, an great backstory and setting, characters that you can give a sh!t about, and notable sidequests (a must for Zelda games, which aLttP may as well have lacked entirely), along with all the elements that made the original Zelda and aLttP great (namely, combat).

Again, this doesn't really belong here. Does anyone want to start a Zelda debate thread somewhere?

Kairon · « **Reply #210 on:** May 24, 2006, 10:27:08 AM »

Miyamoto made Zelda. Miyamoto cares about fun, not story. The purest Zeldas derive their essence from gameplay, not story elements. Mario derives everything it ever is from fun. Not flying, not power-ups, not warp zones, just... gameplay-based fun. Phew, I stayed on topic!

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

IceCold · « **Reply #211 on:** May 24, 2006, 02:45:47 PM »

Sorry about being off-topic, but..

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The CD-i ones don't count, and I've played the other three.

Have or haven't played the other three? Because I would find it strange that you say Ages is better but not Seasons.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #212 on:** May 24, 2006, 06:27:57 PM »

I have played the other three. I've played Ages, Four Swords, and Minish Cap. I have not played Seasons, so I can't compare it.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #213 on:** May 25, 2006, 07:00:10 AM »

About making sequels to New Super Mario Bros.: I'd like to see it, but in a limited way. This game is even more special because I've waited so long for it. Now I don't want to wait another 14 years for a new Mario platformer, but when games have a sequel every year, I stop caring as much. I also wonder if this is what the designer really wants to do. In a Nintendo Power interview he talked about how he thinks the original Super Mario Bros. set the bar for great gameplay, it sounds like he may even consider it superior to Super Mario Bros. 3. So would he want to make a game that plays more like the later ones? Well, I want a sequel anyway - in a couple of years.

I've just reached the final castle, and instead of wanting to slow down and savour it, I just want to plow through so I can start searching out the hidden levels I missed. That's a good sign.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #214 on:** May 25, 2006, 07:46:07 AM »

One thing I would want to see in a sequel to New Super Mario Bros is a totally new Mario game. New Super Mario Bros has a lot of elements from the original Super Mario Bros. It's kind of a throwback to that game. It's still a fantastic game and easily on par with the other 2D Mario titles but it relies a lot on nostalgia. It would be nice if for a sequel Nintendo really thought out of the box and didn't have so many of the old ideas. More new enemies, more new powerups and maybe remove certain elements like the fire flower or Koopas just to really change things up. They did something really different with Yoshi's Island for example and it resulted in one of the best 2D sidescrollers ever made.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #215 on:** May 25, 2006, 08:33:31 AM »

Super Mario Sunshine had new enemies, new powerups, and removed certain elements

vudu · « **Reply #216 on:** May 25, 2006, 09:22:41 AM »

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One thing I would want to see in a sequel to New Super Mario Bros is a totally new Mario game. New Super Mario Bros has a lot of elements from the original Super Mario Bros. It's kind of a throwback to that game. It's still a fantastic game and easily on par with the other 2D Mario titles but it relies a lot on nostalgia. It would be nice if for a sequel Nintendo really thought out of the box and didn't have so many of the old ideas. More new enemies, more new powerups and maybe remove certain elements like the fire flower or Koopas just to really change things up. They did something really different with Yoshi's Island for example and it resulted in one of the best 2D sidescrollers ever made.

Um, hello?

Ian Sane · « **Reply #217 on:** May 25, 2006, 09:47:55 AM »

So, vudu, Super Mario Galaxy is a direct sequel to New Super Mario Bros? I obviously was talking about the next 2D Mario game.

Kairon · « **Reply #218 on:** May 25, 2006, 09:57:17 AM »

Maybe Nintendo needs a new platformer franchise to take in a radically different direction...

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

vudu · « **Reply #219 on:** May 25, 2006, 09:58:23 AM »

Super Mario Galaxy is a sequal to Super Mario Sunshine, which is a sequal to Super Mario 64, which is a sequal to Super Mario World, which is a sequal to Super Mario Bros 3, which is a sequal to Super Mario Bros 2, which is a sequal to the original Super Mario Bros. If New Super Mario Bros is also a sequal then the original Super Mario Bros then Super Mario Galaxy is a sequal to New Super Mario Bros.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #220 on:** May 25, 2006, 10:11:24 AM »

"Super Mario Galaxy is a sequal to Super Mario Sunshine, which is a sequal to Super Mario 64, which is a sequal to Super Mario World, which is a sequal to Super Mario Bros 3, which is a sequal to Super Mario Bros 2, which is a sequal to the original Super Mario Bros. If New Super Mario Bros is also a sequal then the original Super Mario Bros then Super Mario Galaxy is a sequal to New Super Mario Bros."

Fair enough. But that wasn't what I was talking about. Super Mario Galaxy does look awesome though.

Kairon · « **Reply #221 on:** May 25, 2006, 10:12:32 AM »

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Super Mario Galaxy is a sequal to Super Mario Sunshine, which is a sequal to Super Mario 64, which is a sequal to Super Mario World, which is a sequal to Super Mario Bros 3, which is a sequal to Super Mario Bros 2, which is a sequal to the original Super Mario Bros. If New Super Mario Bros is also a sequal then the original Super Mario Bros then Super Mario Galaxy is a sequal to New Super Mario Bros.

MY HEAD ASSPLODE.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Ian Sane · « **Reply #222 on:** May 25, 2006, 10:14:38 AM »

"MY HEAD ASSPLODE."

If you want to make it worse consider that Yoshi's Island is a sequel to Super Mario World and that Yoshi's Story is a sequel to Yoshi's Island and so is Yoshi's Island 2.

Maybe we should just regard 2D Mario and 3D Mario as seperate series.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #223 on:** May 25, 2006, 01:18:17 PM »

Err, but the spirit of Ian's comment was obviously that of a 2D game.

Of course, it's possible that Super Paper Mario is thinking out of the box too, and it's a 2.5D game.

IceCold · « **Reply #224 on:** May 25, 2006, 02:26:11 PM »

SEQUEL SEQUEL SEQUEL

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If you want to make it worse consider that Yoshi's Island is a sequel to Super Mario World and that Yoshi's Story is a sequel to Yoshi's Island and so is Yoshi's Island 2.

And don't forget about the Mario Land / Wario games..

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