Author Topic: Best system launch ever?! (Read 38456 times)

Magik · « **Reply #50 on:** March 05, 2006, 02:28:23 PM »

So a cooking game is supposed to fill all the gaps? How many games do we know about that has 'sparkling innovation'? Heck, how many of them won't end up being sparkling innovationy?

The virtual console is not going to be enough for a lot of people. I'm one of them.

I want new games that revolve around the controller, not old traditional games that I've played before.

Requiem · « **Reply #51 on:** March 05, 2006, 02:54:39 PM »

I don't know why you guys are freaking out.

The games I mentioned are suppose to release in 2006, but there are more that won't make it till early 2007.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #52 on:** March 05, 2006, 02:59:27 PM »

No but so what, if they release too many good games at launch yall'll complain you have to may to chose form, if they don’t release enough games to hold you over you'll complain they didn’t make enough games and your gonna get boarded. I don’t get people sometimes. How many games do you have to have damn. When it comes out pick up a game or two play it till you ant stand it or till you beat it and get another you don’t have to get them all at once and you don’t have to rush through them either..

There’s gonna be plenty of games right off they bat you shouldn’t have to worry about the first two to three months after, now if they take longer than three months to get more games after launch then there will be cause for concern but until then nobody even knows what will be ready for launch and what wont. BUT there will surely be something to satisfy our needs Im sure and still the VC is gonna hold allot of people over for along ass time. Remember its not JUST nes/snes games they will have N64 also, plus GC will keep getting new games for a while so you should have some new GC games to play on your rev for a while also.

I like how you say the virtual console wont hold you over cuz you 'need' new games to experience the revmote right away, how ignorant is that statement you putting faith in something you haven’t even tried, what if it sucks and you ant stand the remote controls and you don’t like the new games, then what do you do?

Thats when you buy the games that don’t use the revmote or pick up a shell and play proven way.

Which gets me back onto the "more of the same" BS some people keep spouting. If Nintendo hadn’t told you the controls we have now aren’t good enough you wouldn’t even be thinking about it like that, for one thing the GC controller (especially wave bird) is one of the best controllers ever made and is more than sufficient for just about every genre out there. YES Its fine to try new things but you know tares a reason why people keep playing the games they are familiar with and thats because once you discover you like something, you never stop liking it.

Seriously I cant stand how people will sit here and say the remotes the greatest thing ever and that every game we have now SUCKS because they don’t use the remote or if a game isn’t a brand new experience you ever played before it sucks, damn that gets annoying. Is Mega Man X any more or less fun than Mega man 1-7? NO.
Is Mario 64 so much better than SMB1-3 that you cant enjoy them anymore, again NO. If a game is fun it doesn’t matter if it plays like game you already played or not if its fun its gonna be fun no matter what.

Fighting game fans and FPS fans don’t complain every game is too similar and cuz one lays like another they all suck, so why should it be with Nintendo fans? I mean take Soul Caliber and Tekken, and tell me there’s a difference. there’s not, and I don’t mean story and #*@# so don’t rebuttal with BS cuz you know what I am talking about if you played either game.

I hate it when people who are blind Nintendo fan boys will sit here and praise a controller they NEVER PLAYED for themselves and because of it bash on the same very kids of game play they would have praised a year ago.

Seriously wait and see what comes out at launch before you say its nto enough or it doesnt satisfy you.

Requiem · « **Reply #53 on:** March 05, 2006, 03:51:53 PM »

WTF?!

Honestly RAT, calm down. You maybe right about some Nintendo Fans, but I have yet to see someone like that on these forum (except maybe GameBasher).

We all praise the controller, not because of what it is, but instead for what it can do for the videogame world. We praise the idea of what it means theoritically. It has the ability to improve every genre while making new ones in the process.

That's why we like it, and I have yet to see any bashing because of it.

Magik · « **Reply #54 on:** March 05, 2006, 04:29:52 PM »

Why should I have to rely on the virtual console for games when Nintendo keeps telling me that it's time to move on and they keep touting the damn controller as the greatest thing ever? Heck, most of the people on this forum and others act as if the world will be reborn because of the controller.

I have absolutely no problem playing games the way they are right now. My problem is people telling me that I should rely on the virtual console for system that claims their controller is the new way of gaming. It annoys me how everybody keeps saying how revolutionary the controller is and than all of a sudden tell me to play some old NES/SNES/N64 games while I wait for new games.

Nintendo keeps preaching and preaching that the controller is going to change things for the better, so I'm going to take them up on that offer cause this is Nintendo's last chance to keep me as a consumer and fan after all the bullshit they did with the GC.

MaryJane · « **Reply #55 on:** March 05, 2006, 04:46:02 PM »

I've always thought of it as a best of both worlds kind of thing. I love playing old games, especially the ones that are impossible to beat (for me that includes A LOT of games). However, just like anyone else with breath in their lungs opening something new and exciting is in a league of its own. there are times though, even when i buy a new game i'll play it, love it, and then be like, alright it's time to fire up the snes. and after about ten minutes of resetting, blowing in the cartridge, and praying, i can play some of my all time favorite games. the revolution offers you the chance to do this without all the blowing and praying (they took all the fun out) if you don't like classic games don't use the virtual console. if you want something else to tide you over, explore the expanded gameplay going online with new games. all in all what i'm trying to say is don't bitch. maybe the controller will suck maybe it will be the greatest thing since sliced bread, maybe Iwata and Miyamoto have a secret plan to take over the world by getting a revolution in every home and sucking information out of brains like in Batman Returns (pretty sure that was the one with the riddler and two-face). who knows. oh i know who. no one. that's who. no one.

IceCold · « **Reply #56 on:** March 05, 2006, 05:32:09 PM »

I think you're getting it a bit confused, rat.. no one is saying that traditional games are bad. Nintendo made traditional games what they are now, and we've all played their classics through the years. And Nintendo themselves aren't saying that traditional games are bad. It's just that, with this new controller, there is the potential of making them better. That's why I dislike it when anyone says that Nintendo is telling us that the current control scheme and traditional games are broken. They aren't. They're just trying to make them even better with the NRC.

And this is also why Nintendo isn't just abandoning traditional games. They'll still make many of these games, along with new types. Like the DS; it will be a balance.

RiskyChris · « **Reply #57 on:** March 05, 2006, 06:00:54 PM »

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And this is also why Nintendo isn't just abandoning traditional games. They'll still make many of these games, along with new types. Like the DS; it will be a balance.

Yes, mario kart revolution's motion sensitivity will only change the minimap view. =D

animecyberrat · « **Reply #58 on:** March 05, 2006, 06:27:54 PM »

blah blah fine whatever

RiskyChris · « **Reply #59 on:** March 05, 2006, 07:05:01 PM »

Listen, you can't possibly expect people to read a rant with any sense of seriousness if you won't proofread...

I stopped reading after the first line.

IceCold · « **Reply #60 on:** March 05, 2006, 07:15:35 PM »

Don't just take it down rat; I read it and there were some good points. You could just edit it and in the future proofread/type slower..

animecyberrat · « **Reply #61 on:** March 05, 2006, 07:24:37 PM »

no I hate it when peopel bitch about spellingand I DID proof read it and I did copy paste it into works but somehow that didnt help.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #62 on:** March 05, 2006, 07:31:18 PM »

all I was basically saying is how some people, in this thread and others, will say they wont be able to play old games once the controller comes out and that too many people blindly praise the controller when the ONLY people saying good things about it (besides the bozos who made it) are the game makers who WANT you to buy their game, so of course they will praise it. That is the gist of what I said previously I had more examples and details but that sums it up for now, and no #&#$&ing spelling errors for you pricks who cant shut up about it.

RiskyChris · « **Reply #63 on:** March 05, 2006, 07:36:51 PM »

Listen, it was very frustrating to read. It's not a simple typo or two; it was very frequent and proportionally as difficult to read. I'm not bashing your ideas at all, but it's very courteous to place them in a format that is at the very least pleasing to the eye.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #64 on:** March 05, 2006, 07:49:45 PM »

it wasnt you personaly, I get flamed for speeling erors all the time, I EXPLAIN IT all the damn time but nobody cares, they just wanna complain. I will say it again, just cuz peopel have short term memory. I have arthiritis in my knuckles and my hands are VERY stiff and do not bend at all, so typing is achore for me. It takes longer for me to copy/pste into works to fix things and its usualy not worth it for me. I try and type slow but that also hruts my hands cuz I have to constantly stop and bend my fingers. Its is easier for my to type it all fast and get it over with that way it doesnt hurt so much.

Anyways i didnt mean to snap back at you I was actualy trying to see your pov and agreeing that it wasa mess so dcided to retype it as as hroter post, but damn that didnt work either.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #65 on:** March 05, 2006, 07:55:53 PM »

1. There are journalists (apply term broadly to include IGN) that praise the controller.
2. If a developer didn't think the controller was good he wouldn't make a game for the platform. That's why you see the devs who make games for it praise it, because they wouldn't be making games for it if they didn't deem it praiseworthy. After all, the Revolution isn't expected to sell as well as the other consoles and you have to compete with Nintendo's games AND virtual console for customer money when making games for it.
3. Developers say things as they are, they have no training in PR and don't have to promote the game they are working on. While they'll rarely say outright "this game sucks" because their employer wouldn't like it they won't heap praise upon a piece of crap. Especially since they aren't getting paid for praising things.

RiskyChris · « **Reply #66 on:** March 05, 2006, 07:56:52 PM »

Your situation actually has merit. Typing for me is actually painful (I blame it on oncoming arthritis) and I've developed a habit of ignoring spelling errors myself.

*tips hat*

pudu · « **Reply #67 on:** March 05, 2006, 09:58:55 PM »

That sucks Rat...I hope this doesn't affect your ability to play with the new Revmote. How are traditional controllers on your fingers? Is this part of why you have problems :?

I read all 4 pages of this thread and saw a lot of great points. I agree that Nintendo might be shooting themselves in the foot by releasing sequals like SSB, Mario, Zelda, etc. at launch due to their unfortunate bad image at the moment...but then again if they are excellent games I doubt this will matter as much as one might think. In my eyes SSB and Zelda series are still VERY fresh because each new game is made in a new way with enough improvement to justify them. Mario on the other hand, I think that up until Mario Sunshine it had stayed pretty fresh and new but Sunshine wasn't enough for me to think of it as the next "leap". I really enjoyed the game but it was no better then Mario 64. Plus...all of the Mario games (party 1-who knows, tennis, soccer, golf) on both their consoles and handhelds have sort of made it hard for them to maintane the hype of the next "mario" game. I don't care that mario is featured in all those games because for the most part they are of good quality, but the general consumer is seeing this and probably starting to think that's all Nintendo is, tired mario "rehashes".

Hard core gamers, apart from pre-existing Nintendo fans, will need something more to convince them. Offering sequals to their old IPs could work if they turn out to just be phenominal but the name branding alone will most likely turn off more than a few of these gamers. I'm hoping that games like Ubisoft's FPS will strike interest in these more hard core gamersand convince them that there is something to be missed if they don't get a Rev.

Also, as already stated by a few, it is extremely important for Nintendo to make a strong stand this year. They can't afford anything less then a GOOD launch because of all the Devs playing the wait-and-see game. If these devs don't see a strong enough reason to support the Rev then it is destined for a lackluster amount of games. I think the key is one or two must have blockbusters at/around launch that offer experiences not found ANYWHERE else, along with a very reasonable price point to get this thing kicked off. Seeing as to how the DS is doing in Japan I can already say that I am 100% positive that the Rev will sell pretty good in Japan...it's America and Europe where they will have problems.

wandering · « **Reply #68 on:** March 05, 2006, 10:09:10 PM »

I didn't know about your arthiritis, the rat.

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Mario on the other hand, I think that up until Mario Sunshine it had stayed pretty fresh and new but Sunshine wasn't enough for me to think of it as the next "leap". I really enjoyed the game but it was no better then Mario 64. Plus...all of the Mario games (party 1-who knows, tennis, soccer, golf) on both their consoles and handhelds have sort of made it hard for them to maintane the hype of the next "mario" game. I don't care that mario is featured in all those games because for the most part they are of good quality, but the general consumer is seeing this and probably starting to think that's all Nintendo is, tired mario "rehashes".

This used to bother me...the degradation of the mario franchise by putting him in everything, I mean. But then it hit me: I don't think Miyamoto cares about mario anymore. And if that's the case, there's really no reason to not milk the plumber for all he's worth.

IceCold · « **Reply #69 on:** March 05, 2006, 10:23:24 PM »

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But then it hit me: I don't think Miyamoto cares about mario anymore.

Oh I know you didn't just go there..

wandering · « **Reply #70 on:** March 05, 2006, 11:18:20 PM »

*shrug*

There hasn't been a Miyamoto-developed mario game since Mario 64. Gamecube launched with Miyamoto's pikmin and, for the first time ever, no Miyamoto-developed mario game...or any mario game at all. The Revolution will launch with another new Miyamoto IP, and iirc, Satoru has said that Miyamoto has said mario probably wouldn't be there for launch. It seems like he's moved on, as it were.

Though I guess, now you mention it, there's still Mario 128.....

Kairon · « **Reply #71 on:** March 05, 2006, 11:44:44 PM »

Good point Wandering.

It's weird, but I'm technically more of a Miyamoto fanboy than a Nintendo fanboy. And as a Miyamoto Fanboy, I haven't tasted real magic since Pikmin (the first one), or for just a few fleeting seconds in WW when I truly started to play witht he combat system.

It sucks to be a Miyamoto fanboy because then you can't enjoy Majora's Mask because it just ISN'T the same! Aonouma directed that, not Miyamoto!

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

KDR_11k · « **Reply #72 on:** March 05, 2006, 11:49:40 PM »

Miyamoto is a creative guy, of course he stopped caring much about the long running franchises like Mario and Zelda, he'd rather let his imagination run free and think up new games instead of taking an existing game and doing only minor changes. Iwata is forcing him to make Mario 128 for the Rev launch, I'm sure he doesn't like that.

He created those franchises to fit a game idea and the technological limitations of the time, not to be perpetually reusable settings. That's why all Nintendo games seem to have terribly inconsistent timelines, they were never designed for accomodating sequels.

MaryJane · « **Reply #73 on:** March 06, 2006, 05:32:12 AM »

I don't know how many games nintendo will actually provide at launch but what they need to do is release one of every category. fps (or fpa doesn't really matter), rpg (zelda counts, but another one would be more significant), a platformer (mario 128?), a racing game, a sports game, a fighter (ssmb), and a non-game (this cooking game). Maybe i forgot some but 11:00a.m is still early for me. anyway, all these kind of games need to be released at launch, and with the exception of the sports game, and racing game (because these two will likely utilize the shell controller), they need to all be first party releases. no matter how much praise the controller gets from developers, the press, the other people at e3, nintendo still needs to prove to everyone (firsthand), that the controller works with all types of gameplay. if they can't prove this questions will arise that won't be good for them.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #74 on:** March 06, 2006, 05:55:18 AM »

No console has all of them at launch but they must be provided within the first few months.

More than three first party titles is impossible. Even if they delivered that many it'd mean they would suffer a drought very soon. There's a limit to the number of titles you can develop simultaneously, especially when you have two handheld platforms to support as well.

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