Author Topic: Nintendo France confirms Rev controls for Zelda (Read 19167 times)

Artimus · « **Reply #50 on:** February 28, 2006, 05:32:25 PM »

I could understand saying the WW character models are less "Zelda" than Ocarina's, WW's are very stylized and as such that's a fake argument. But the world of Wind Waker is almost a literal 3D version of LttP! And Minish Cap is the same thing. The enviroments are LttP's only more detailed.

Exhibit A:

And exhibit B:

Now we'll just each keep our own feelings regarding my proof that WW looks more like LttP than Ocarina does.

zakkiel · « **Reply #51 on:** February 28, 2006, 06:17:59 PM »

Not the "WW is more artistic!" crap again. There's not a single objective criterion to point to in that regard. It's all in your head, either way.

As for Zelda featuring gore, there are about 3,000 more probable things to worry about.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #52 on:** February 28, 2006, 06:28:29 PM »

Wind Waker is more artistic...Definitely not in my head, either!

RiskyChris · « **Reply #53 on:** February 28, 2006, 06:34:10 PM »

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Originally posted by: zakkiel
Not the "WW is more artistic!" crap again. There's not a single objective criterion to point to in that regard. It's all in your head, either way.

As for Zelda featuring gore, there are about 3,000 more probable things to worry about.

No one is quantizing the artistic nature of WW, but it's perfectly logical to say that it has more than OoT.

Artimus · « **Reply #54 on:** February 28, 2006, 06:34:25 PM »

Oh, and as for that argument that 2D games just aren't realistic, thus Zelda's style is as realistic as they come, that's bull:

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #55 on:** February 28, 2006, 06:44:58 PM »

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The way I see it, most people think that doing OoT clone would be enough, but it simply isnt, the impression Ocarina made was so strong that I can understand what Ian and Smash Brother think, but if Nintendo wouldve just made Zelda with this "realistic" style for GC you wouldve end up dissapointed, because what made Ocarina so big wasnt the generic fantasy "realistic" lack of art direction, was the innovation in bringing a 3D world to life, and having the Wind Waker in realistic graphics wouldnt have the slightest chance to achieve the same effect. Theres a reason why we are geting a wolf and Midna and crazy cellshaded world and god knows what other new things for Twilight Princess.

Naturally, Zelda should never stop developing its gameplay.

However, I think Nintendo could use a boost in sales which graphically "realistic" games bring.

It's an ugly truth but a truth regardless: graphic-whores have money. If Nintendo coincides the launch of the Rev with the launch of TP, a lot of those graphic-whores will buy Revs.

IMHO, not using TP's selling power to push Revs would be a mistake. I know that's not a popular opinion around here, but the cube could have used a Zelda game at launch to get players to come pick up the new Nintendo system. If you're pissed at the lack of cube games (and let's face it, we all are), then understand that Nintendo bringing TP out around the same time would be the best thing to help the Rev avoid the same fate.

No matter how good their launch lineup is, there will be people not sold on the controller concept. For them, there will be Zelda, something they've been sold on for a long time.

If Zelda can be the gateway drug, it should.

IceCold · « **Reply #56 on:** February 28, 2006, 07:20:29 PM »

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I take it as a poor translation...Though Link's attacks DO seem a bit more brutal (as with his finisher), it's not TOO over-the-top...

Of course you know this, but the downward thrust was in AoL also (of course with rudimentary graphics).. well, it was in Wind Waker too (only against Magtails and Floormasters)

wandering · « **Reply #57 on:** February 28, 2006, 08:35:20 PM »

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No, the thing with Ocarina is that it was 3D and that simply blew us all away, the graphics themselves took a second stand, the game lacks some sort of art direction like Majora's Mask, the Wind Waker or even the handheld games like the Minish Cap, by any standards is pretty generic, but the added dimension was impressive enough to make the game outstanding.

Bah, generic my eye. Ocarina of time is a beautiful game in every respect: from the color choices to the creature designs. If you want generic, look at Morrowwind. Or Everquest.

Oh, and Link to the Past is fugly. There, I said it.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #58 on:** February 28, 2006, 09:55:39 PM »

Oh good lord, another Zelda ranking war.

I'll be the person who says Ocarina is the worst Zelda game I've played.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #59 on:** February 28, 2006, 10:45:16 PM »

Does anyone remember that inteview when Miyamoto said that the Wind Waker was how he envisioned Zelda all along? I remember reading that some time ago.

Does anyone remember the interview where the Megaman inventor said that Megaman Powered Up was how he originally envisioned Megaman? Or when George Lucas said that Greedo shooting first was how he originally envisioned Star Wars?

Am I the only one who thinks that OOT is closer to Link's Adventure graphically than any other Zelda game?

Paladin: I'd agree if Zelda 2 didn't exhibit so many critical gameplay flaws.

Artimus · « **Reply #60 on:** February 28, 2006, 10:47:34 PM »

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Oh good lord, another Zelda ranking war.

I'll be the person who says Ocarina is the worst Zelda game I've played.

I wouldn't say that, Zelda II is the least enjoyable. But I WOULD say it's the least 'Zelda' of the serious. I find it kind of dull, and I've never been able to get through it all (I've gone about 90% at least twice).

mantidor · « **Reply #61 on:** March 01, 2006, 07:28:49 AM »

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No, the thing with Ocarina is that it was 3D and that simply blew us all away, the graphics themselves took a second stand, the game lacks some sort of art direction like Majora's Mask, the Wind Waker or even the handheld games like the Minish Cap, by any standards is pretty generic, but the added dimension was impressive enough to make the game outstanding.

Bah, generic my eye. Ocarina of time is a beautiful game in every respect: from the color choices to the creature designs. If you want generic, look at Morrowwind. Or Everquest.

Oh, and Link to the Past is fugly. There, I said it.

which is perfectly fine, because is a matter of taste, what gets on my nerves is the "hardcore" zelda gamers who's number one game for the snes or even overall was a link to the past, but cant stand the Wind Waker style, thats just absurd, it makes no sense at all.

Requiem · « **Reply #62 on:** March 01, 2006, 08:43:29 AM »

Aiming Link's bow with the NRC....

*drools*

Nintendo has no reason to rush this game out to the public. Everyone will buy it, so why not wait till it's perfect to release it. I expect TP to release in the fall, a couple of months before revo's launch. Basically, we can all say "goodbye" to the old way of playing games, and already have a REVO title in our hands. Imagine playing TP and wondering how the revo controller could make it even better!

Though it may be for marketing reasons and what not, I still believe Nintendo is trying their hardest to make this the best videogame ever, period. Not because it will sell millions, but because as an intellectual property, it will go down in history. The NRC can only help reach that goal.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #63 on:** March 01, 2006, 08:53:24 AM »

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Of course you know this, but the downward thrust was in AoL also (of course with rudimentary graphics).. well, it was in Wind Waker too (only against Magtails and Floormasters)

True, but now it's been used against humanoid enemies, which one could argue is more "brutal" than using it on an insect...

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Originally posted by: wandering
Bah, generic my eye. Ocarina of time is a beautiful game in every respect: from the color choices to the creature designs. If you want generic, look at Morrowwind. Or Everquest.

Oh, and Link to the Past is fugly. There, I said it.

*crickets*

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which is perfectly fine, because is a matter of taste, what gets on my nerves is the "hardcore" zelda gamers who's number one game for the snes or even overall was a link to the past, but cant stand the Wind Waker style, thats just absurd, it makes no sense at all.

Absolute truth...

Requiem · « **Reply #64 on:** March 01, 2006, 08:55:50 AM »

Bill, what the hell is going on in your picture?

Nevermind....don't answer that question.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #65 on:** March 01, 2006, 09:01:16 AM »

Oh, come on! Not ALL of my avatars have a secret, naughty secret! =(

zakkiel · « **Reply #66 on:** March 01, 2006, 09:05:49 AM »

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No one is quantizing the artistic nature of WW, but it's perfectly logical to say that it has more than OoT.

"Logical" requires that you deduce that conclusion from objective premises. You do that, I might buy into the claim. Since there's nothing even slightly objective about artistic appreciation, you can't.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #67 on:** March 01, 2006, 03:45:58 PM »

Yeah, it's hard to say what's "better" when the matter at hand is 100% subjective.

One could argue that WW's stylized graphics are better than OoTs which aren't stylized.

One could also argue that Link looks like a lemon with feet or something right out of the Powerpuff Girls' universe.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #68 on:** March 01, 2006, 03:56:00 PM »

I like Powerpuff Girls. And Samurai Jack.

mantidor · « **Reply #69 on:** March 02, 2006, 04:34:45 PM »

Which are japanese animation rip offs anyway, which is another thing that also pisses me off to no end, the so called "otakus" who also hate the game's style, urgh...

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #70 on:** March 02, 2006, 06:43:35 PM »

They're good rip-offs. But they do certain things so well, they have their own merits, and are not really rip-offs.

I've confirmed that Zeruda's been cancelled. Source: PlanetDeadSystem.com

wandering · « **Reply #71 on:** March 02, 2006, 07:53:29 PM »

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which is perfectly fine, because is a matter of taste, what gets on my nerves is the "hardcore" zelda gamers who's number one game for the snes or even overall was a link to the past, but cant stand the Wind Waker style, thats just absurd, it makes no sense at all.

Agreed.

People have an annoying tendency to, ah, fool themselves into thinking the zelda games are all about the small portion of the games they latched onto while playing.

You know what I mean. People who say things like 'OOT didn't get good until you became an adult and the dungeons started having blood stains on the walls.'

Or: 'I never saw Link as a stubby disproportioned big headed midget. I saw the sprite and thought he was an elf like you would see in Lord of the Rings.'

...oh, wait, that second one was Ian

Zelda is about childhood and coming of age and the loss of innocence and all that. It's not about you fulfilling your adolescent fantasies by being a badass and beating up badguys in dark, blood stain dungeons.

...At least that's not the only thing it's about.

Oh, I probably went a little too far with my 'fugly' comment. Lttp isn't fugly. It's just that, imo, the added cartoony details detract from, rather than add to, the game. That's why I prefer the original in the visuals department.

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #72 on:** March 02, 2006, 09:27:40 PM »

Here's hoping it's the best game ever...

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #73 on:** March 03, 2006, 10:36:21 AM »

There was blood on the dungeon walls?

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Author Topic: Nintendo France confirms Rev controls for Zelda (Read 19167 times)