Author Topic: Xbox 360 = awesome system (Read 35130 times)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #25 on:** January 30, 2006, 06:59:28 AM »

XC + decent sound system (living room size) + decent HDTV (again living room size) probably costs a bit more than PC (gaming specs) + decent sound system (PC size) + decent screen (desktop size). Plus the PC can do more than the XC (especially run unsigned code) and the games are vastly cheaper and often moddable. The HD severely lowers load times and noise and it can run a MUCH bigger catalogue of games plus there's no region lock (and even if, it can be defeated with software measures that don't even require changing discs). More RAM means larger levels and best of all, if you don't like something about the system you can change it.

JonLeung · « **Reply #26 on:** January 30, 2006, 08:13:44 AM »

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What other PC controller has the analog stick in the primary position?

Xbox/GameCube controller + USB adaptor...

Personally I've been using an N64 controller on my PC for a long time. If I ever need an analogue stick (the one on my N64 controller is messed up) I could get a GameCube adaptor. I'm looking for one that supports the WaveBird, though, because for whatever reason most don't.

Using console controllers on the PC isn't new. The Xbox 360's controller is probably the first official way, but Microsoft has made several PC game pads so this is really clearing out the redundancy and promoting the Xbox 360 to PC gamers. Like I said, they need to stop having Xbox/Xbox 360 games on the PC. Even if the Xbox 360 is more powerful than any decently-priced PC out there, since I'm not a graphics whore, I don't mind a slightly less detailed game if I get the full game experience.

vudu · « **Reply #27 on:** January 30, 2006, 08:26:27 AM »

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Show me one PC game that looks better than the same game on Xbox 360, and uses video card technology that you can go buy right now. Also remember the games on 360 are running in 1920x1080 resolution. And if anyone can point me to where I can buy a PC with a 3 3.2Ghz core processor right now, then I'll eat my words.

Quake 4.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #28 on:** January 30, 2006, 07:37:35 PM »

Looks and runs better on XBox 360 than on my PC. Granted I don't have the greatest system, but it's no slouch. Athlon XP 3000+, ATI X800GTO overclocked to 575Mhz, and 1.5GB RAM. Running it in 1024x768 gave me like 5-10FPS, maybe 15-25 max.

bustin98 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 31, 2006, 03:56:10 AM »

Here's some education for all of us:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/quake_4_cpu_performance/

Ok, so I take back what I said about using Intel's Extreme Edition. But I've never been a fan of AMD, with their overheating issues.

So the question is whether or not Quake 4 on the 360 is running in Ultra Quality or High Quality. Maybe there are comparison shots out there.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #30 on:** January 31, 2006, 04:53:06 AM »

Overheating issues? WTF are you talking about?

Brandogg: Then you must have something wrong with your system. Doom 3 runs better than that on my system (A64 3000, GF6800, 1GB RAM, often running Photoshop, Blender, Azureus and a whole lot of other crap in the background) and Quake 4 is less demanding than Doom 3 (whether that's optimization or lower spec assets I don't know).

You remember you're not supposed to run that on Ultra Quality, right? That just disables texture compression.

Renny · « **Reply #31 on:** January 31, 2006, 10:52:51 AM »

Intel has been the one pumping out heat mongers for the past 4 years. The exception to that being the impressively efficient Pentium M, which they have no interest in adopting to the desktop in any way. Otherwise AMD has made very nice x86 processors since the Thunderbird 1.0GHz+ stopgaps. I have a Barton XP2600+ Mobile running at full clock on only 3.75v. When I upgrade it'll go nicely into an HTPC. Intel sucks.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2006, 05:23:51 PM »

Dude, Quake 4 is way more demanding than Doom 3. I use the exact same settings on both games and Doom 3 blazes on my PC (Ultra Quality on both). Changing to High Quality yields better results, but Doom 3 run way faster either way for me.

bustin98 · « **Reply #33 on:** February 01, 2006, 09:23:09 AM »

As a repair tech who has been away from the work bench for a year, my experience comes from dealing with the general public. That general public doesn't exactly keep up on new stuff or buy the good stuff. So the systems that come by have been mostly Compaq's and HP's. Some Tiger Direct stuff, too. BUT, the only processors that I have had to replace are AMD's. New CPU = working system.

Perhaps it can be argued that its not AMD's fault as these people could be keeping their systems in enclosed spaces, or never turning their systems off, or something of that nature.

From what I've recently read, looks like AMD is putting out some quality stuff and I just might consider an AMD over a Pentium next time I upgrade. In the past, the major complaint against AMD was it wasn't as reliable as a Pentium.

The 360 Quake4 vs PC Quake4 issue should die. Its obvious that this is an isolated experience and others on the web are reporting exactly the opposite.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #34 on:** February 01, 2006, 09:39:04 AM »

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P.S. I hate Microsoft, so this wasn't easy for me to admit.

That argument goes right out the window when you proceed to vehemently defend the console for the remainder of the thread as though you had a paycheck on the line for doing so.

Hmm...

And I've played PD0 all the way through: it's just to hold over FPS fans until Halo 3 arrives, nothing more.

-SB

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #35 on:** February 01, 2006, 10:04:50 AM »

Microsoft didn't build the console...OK they said "put this here and put that there", and the games I enjoy are vastly non-MS branded, aside from PGR3. Kameo doesn't really count, either. I hate MS and think they're really just trying to take over our homes, but I have to admit when they put out a good product. Lets put it this way, I'd be much happier if it was the "Nintendo Xbox 360".

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #36 on:** February 01, 2006, 11:10:33 AM »

They DID build it, though. Open it up and all the big chips should have "microsoft" stamped on them.

But fair enough: I don't want to rag on you for liking the console, but I think you can expect a relatively high amount of flak for posts like this.

I think the fact that there hasn't been more is a testament to the true nature of Nintendo fans and their "maturity".

-SB

capamerica · « **Reply #37 on:** February 13, 2006, 06:21:43 PM »

I'm a die hard Nintendo Fan-boy, but sadly thanks to the stupid 3rd Party developers there are becoming more and more games that only show up that are Playstation & Xbox Only. And I just know were going to see alot more of that next gen with the Revolution being so much different. The way it is is if you don't own at least a GameCube and a PS2 or Xbox you miss out on alot of fun games. Exspecially if your into FPS and Fighting games. And if your a RPG fan its a must that you own a PS2.

With that all said I do own all the systems. I picked up a Xbox360 Core system on eBay for $297.88 a week after launch. and unlike most people I actually wanted the core system over the Premium system. First off I wanted the wired controllers over the wireless. Reason #1. The Wired ones can also be used on my PC. Reason #2. I don't feel like having another controller I have to replace batteries in and Reason #3 I have no idea what the wireless controllers would do to my other wireless stuff in my room, We heard about what happen in stores with the wireless controllers. Second I didn't need the HD AV cable, I don't have a HDTV and I don't see myself owning one any time soon. I don't need a mini media remote control or the ethernet network cable too. Only think I miss out on with not getting the Premium system was the HardDrive. But that was easy enough to find at Bestbuy which I only had to pay $80 for it.

The Major reason I wanted a Xbox360 was cause I'm a HUGE Dead or Alive fan. It ranks up in my Top 5 favorite series. Actually I'm a big Techmo fan in general. I picked up Perfect Dark Zero a month later cause I was in need of a FPS and I've grown pretty tired of Halo2 I would like to mention that PDZ is nothing special at all and Nintendo fans should not feel bad that Nintendo sold off Rare. As S_B said: it's just to hold over FPS fans until Halo 3 arrives, nothing more. And I've been playing the Final Fantasy XI ?eta since I'm such a Square Fanboy as well and I loved Final Fantasy XI. Those right now are really the only worth wild games out there on the 360 in my book. I rented Kameo... and Damn did that game suck, I think don't know if the game needed to go back into development for another 9 years or if it just sat in the oven way to long. But WOW was it bad.

If it makes you feel any better, any time you buy a Xbox360 system Microsoft loses $120+ =D

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #38 on:** February 13, 2006, 06:28:42 PM »

If you bought me a DS i'd feel better =D

KDR_11k · « **Reply #39 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:15:07 PM »

Reason #1. The Wired ones can also be used on my PC.

So in order to plug an XC controller into the PC you just have to buy a wired one? So far it sounded like the PC version was sold separately...

The Major reason I wanted a Xbox360 was cause I'm a HUGE Dead or Alive fan. It ranks up in my Top 5 favorite series.

What do people see in that game? I mean, it's got neither the pick up and play aspect of Soul Calibur or Naruto GNT nor the depth of Virtua Fighter. The counter system devolves into guessing because usually you'll have to start the counter before you know what your enemy does to reach the counter stance in time (except when you manage to squeeze a counter into an enemy combo) and when you're attacking you're just throwing attacks and hope he doesn't counter. (these rants were a bit funnier when I still had the Ayane avatar...)

capamerica · « **Reply #40 on:** February 14, 2006, 03:11:18 AM »

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Reason #1. The Wired ones can also be used on my PC.

So in order to plug an XC controller into the PC you just have to buy a wired one? So far it sounded like the PC version was sold separately...

You could buy a wired Xbox360 controller separately, But I wanted a Xbox360 too, so instead of wasting more money on another wired controller It made sense to me to just pick up the bundle that had the wired controller to start with. So this way when I wanted to play something on my PC with a controller all I had to do was just unplug it from my Xbox360 and plug it right into my PC. I tired to uses a GameCube to USB adaptor but I kept running into the problem of not having enough buttons. And I absolutely hate the PS2 controller. I always saw the Xbox controller as being a GameCube controller with more buttons. I really like the layout both Nintendo and MS use.

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The Major reason I wanted a Xbox360 was cause I'm a HUGE Dead or Alive fan. It ranks up in my Top 5 favorite series.

What do people see in that game? I mean, it's got neither the pick up and play aspect of Soul Calibur or Naruto GNT nor the depth of Virtua Fighter. The counter system devolves into guessing because usually you'll have to start the counter before you know what your enemy does to reach the counter stance in time (except when you manage to squeeze a counter into an enemy combo) and when you're attacking you're just throwing attacks and hope he doesn't counter. (these rants were a bit funnier when I still had the Ayane avatar...)

I <3 Ayane

I never had a problem just picking up and playing DoA... well maybe with DoA4 but not with any of the other 4 games.
I'm really happy with the direction Tecmo is taking the Dead or Alive series. DoA4 really made up for the broken story in the past DoA games infact they pretty much went in with DoA4 and tied up all the stories that started all the way back in DoA1. After watching the end video and getting a big rush out of it I started to wonder if we'll ever see a DoA5 eveything ended so well.

If you go to Wikipedia and do a search for Dead or Alive you'll be surprized with how much story actually goes on in that series.

The only problem I have with DoA4 is that the AI playes like a computer and not like a human. So ya it counters a ton. But I just find this to be a push to get me to think out side the button smashing and to actually use combos and stragety to take down the computer player.

This is pretty much the order of how I like the Fighting games out there:
#1 Super Smash Bros
#2 Dead or Alive
#3 Soul Calibur
#4 King of Fighters (and other SNK Fighting Games)
#5 Tekken
#6 Guilty Gear
#7 Virtua Fighter
#8 Power Stone
#9 Mortal Kombat
#10 Project Justice
#11 Killer Instinct
#12 Bloody Roar (This one use to be much higher up on my list, then I played Bloody Roar 4)
#13-99 Anything I missed
#100 Street Fighter (and other 2D Capcom Fighting Games)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #41 on:** February 14, 2006, 04:09:35 AM »

Ah, just remembered: The XC controller requires Windows XP, right? I'm interested in one since all PC gamepads mimic that idiotic PS2 controller design but not interested enough to install a new OS for it (price isn't the issue, my uni is under MSDNAA so I can get XP Pro for free). Maybe during the next reformat but I doubt I'll do that before Vista is out...

Your list has no Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen (Naruto: Clash of the Ninja in the US but the japanese releases go up to version 4 by now, no reason to pick up any of the older ones) so I suppose you haven't played that. On par with or even above SSBM.

I know how much story is in DoA (though I hate how you need external references to understand any of it if you don't own the entire series) but in a fighting game I don't look for the story. The pick up and play appeal seems rather limited to me because the combos are triggered by illogical inputs (pet peeve of mine) so you have to learn which input does what instead of being able to derive it from the sequence you inputted. Too much combo learning means little pick-up-and-play value to me. IMO extremely high PUNP is important for all multiplayer console games since I've yet to play a console game with my friends they have played before I showed it to them and if they can't get going within five minutes they tend to go and play Counterstrike instead while declaring that the game sucks.

Oh and Melty Blood is a game I recommend for high PUNP.

capamerica · « **Reply #42 on:** February 14, 2006, 05:02:24 AM »

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Ah, just remembered: The XC controller requires Windows XP, right? I'm interested in one since all PC gamepads mimic that idiotic PS2 controller design but not interested enough to install a new OS for it (price isn't the issue, my uni is under MSDNAA so I can get XP Pro for free). Maybe during the next reformat but I doubt I'll do that before Vista is out...

ya it does require Windows XP or Vista. Which sucks cause I know alot of people who still use Windows 2k and who would like to use the 360 controller on their PC.

I just did a quick search and did find out of a work around to get the 360 Controller working on a Windows 2000 PC. I haven't tried it but its worth a shot.

http://noshbar.livejournal.com/375.html

I've been beta testing Vista, its really a crappy update. Its just Windows XP with a couple new eye-candy features and is more of a resource hog. But sadly it looks like MS is making DirectX 10 Vista only so if your a PC gamer your getting forced into upgrading to Vista for new games.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #43 on:** February 14, 2006, 07:13:14 AM »

The "beta" leaks have none of the new features of Vista included yet (a Longhorn pre-alpha was available on MSDNAA once).

We won't see Vista-only games (except for some of MS's games) within the next five years, no publisher is so stupid as to deliberately limit their market that much. Until 99% of the market have upgraded to Vista it's more profitable to include DX9 and DX10 or just go with SDL completely.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #44 on:** February 14, 2006, 07:36:01 AM »

Wow. Reading Capamerica's list of favorite fighting games made me realize how different I may be.

My all time favorite fighting games are the 2D games.

Street Fighter 3 Third Strike is one of the most balanced and enjoyable fighting games.
then I would say:
DarkStalkers
Capcom Vs Series
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Super Smash Brothers (but not Melee)
Soul Caliber
Virtua Fighter Series

and tied for last place are:
Tekken series and Mortal Kombat series

To me what makes a good fighting game is: strategy, balance, speed, and great characters.

Most of the 3D fighting games have horrible character designs, that may look pretty but as completely un-interesting. Virtua Fighter is a great example of this, but it is forgiveable because everything else is so good. Tekken has some of the most boring characters ever.

But the worst characters and gameplay belong to the Mortal Kombat series. A series that could even develop different fighting styles for each character. They all had the same punches throws. Sure it has improved over the years, but not enough.

capamerica · « **Reply #45 on:** February 14, 2006, 07:37:58 AM »

Who said anything about a beta leak?

I'm sure we won't have to worry about to many games being Vista only, but it is a fear that I see will happen in the near future. I think the major games that will be effected will be Microsoft games and any Xbox360 ports. I think it will also depend on how much of a ass Microsoft wants to be.

I miss the days when I could buy a PC game and I could play it on anything from Windows 98 to Windows XP.

JonLeung · « **Reply #46 on:** February 14, 2006, 07:39:47 AM »

Oh, Spak-Spang. You say you love 2D fighting games but The King Of Fighters isn't on your list. I'm disappointed. And Bill would hate you for not mentioning Guilty Gear.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #47 on:** February 14, 2006, 10:18:58 AM »

I haven't had a chance to play Guilty Gears yet. I never owned a system with it on it. However, I am picking up the DS version.

As of King of the Fighters, I never did enjoy that series. NEO GEO had a lot of great figthers on it, but I just could never get into that one.

Samarai Shodown was awesome.
Fatal Fury series fantastic.

I guess the combination of some of NEO GEOs less spectular fighting games (Art of Fighting) and a play style more akin to Art of Fighting than say Fatal Fury really hurt the game.

I always wished a Fatal Fury vs. Street Fighter was made. I know there are the great Capcom vs. NEO GEO series out...but I don't think that is the same.

JonLeung · « **Reply #48 on:** February 14, 2006, 10:39:25 AM »

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I haven't had a chance to play Guilty Gears yet. I never owned a system with it on it.

What do you use, a Mac? Guilty Gear XX #reload (like so many Xbox games) is on the PC. I'm sure its system requirements aren't very high.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #49 on:** February 14, 2006, 11:19:49 AM »

I don't consider a PC to be a system. I hate playing games on the computer because they usually have horrible control and seem to be very buggy. (Plus I never can tell if my computer will actually run any of the games smoothly.)

I did see that a version of the game is on the Gameboy Advance, but I doubt that would be a very solid port of the game.

I desperately wanted the game to come out on the Gamecube, but alas it never did.

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Author Topic: Xbox 360 = awesome system (Read 35130 times)