Topic: Revolution to be revealed May 9

[31 Flavas]

Apple and orange or at least different types of apples anyway.  The PS3 has had some footage shown for it.  It's debatable how real the footage it but there's something.

Ok, so nintendo should jump on the bandwagon and just release fictitious specs and video. If the specs change its the fanboys falut for believing they would be true. And the video, feh, just something for the fanboys to dry hump to.

We also know more about what games are in the works.  Tekken 6, Virtua Fighter 5, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Resident Evil 5 for example are all confirmed and have at least a trailer.  There's something specific to get interested in.

Never mind that we have Smash Brothers Rev, Metroid Prime 3, FF : CC Rev, and "new miyamoto IP", to look forword to... naw they don't count. They don't have fictitious video trailers assocated with them.

You can say "I want THAT" and then justify waiting for the PS3 for it.  You can't do that with the Rev.  It's just conceptual right now.

Let me guess, the confirmation of the basic size/shape of the final product, virtual console, online gaming, and revolutionary controller don't count either? It only matters that it can do xxx bazillion jigaflops per second, theorically, right?

[31 Flavas]

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So uh... What happened to Nintendo's whole "all details will be released before the end of the year" thing?

Where did you hear that?

[JonLeung]

I think the thing is, casual gamers are different than us.  "Us" as in people who are longtime gamers, the Internet regulars, the kind of people who know details within half a day of them being released.  There's a clear distinction when you consider that the Xbox 360 is considered one of the "hot gifts" this Christmas season, but it seems like every poll on GameFAQs regarding "do you have an Xbox/Xbox 360?" or "Are you considering getting an Xbox 360?" always seem to end in 50% saying they aren't interested in it at all.  The GameCube may be behind the Xbox in sales but looking at polls like that on general gaming web sites you wouldn't think so.  On certain questions the GameCube can be really close to the PS2, even.  Web-savvy, hardcore gamers =/= general populace, unfortunately.

Anyway, I think my point was, every bit more info that's released eventually drips down to some of the general populace, but it truly doesn't hit until the marketing begins.  I'd bet there are quite a few people who are looking forward to the PS3 who aren't even aware a MGS4 trailer even exists, for instance.

But for those at-least-slightly-web-savvy gamers who are at least aware of gaming news info on the web, it is easier to point to a MGS4 trailer and get an idea of what is there.  Even if you've never played previous MG games you know what it is.  If someone had never played a SSB game, they couldn't have much excitement about the next one before any visual confirmation of the game exists.  Plus, a screenshot or trailer is more memorable than a tiny snippet of info to someone who isn't a major fan.  If Nintendo's going to try and create more fans, just a bit of info isn't enough.  Confirmation that a new SSB is in the works really only keeps the SSB fans intrigued, you need at least a trailer to get non-fans to even notice it.

[Ian Sane]

"Never mind that we have Smash Brothers Rev, Metroid Prime 3, FF : CC Rev, and 'new miyamoto IP', to look forword to... naw they don't count. They don't have fictitious video trailers assocated with them."

They don't count because they don't have trailers or any footage at all.  These are just names thrown out.  You can't get excited about them if you have no idea what they look like or what they play like.  We have no details on these at all aside from "yeah we're making them" as if Nintendo making a new Metroid game was a big scoop or something.

How do you really get excited for "new Miyamoto IP"?  None of us know at all what that is.

And JonLeung nailed it on the head regarding how relevant non-visual information is to non-fans.  The hardcore will wait but we'll wait no matter what.  Nintendo is just going to continue going down if they only focus on the die-hard Nintendo fans.  At the very least they need the general gaming community to be on board.

You'll NEVER convince a Nintendo sceptic to buy a Rev based on the information we have now.  You have to be able to show them something.

Plus it's a pretty lousy strategy for a company that significantly underdelivered and in some cases just outright lied to its fans ("we'll reveal online plans at a later date") last gen to rely on people to hold out and have blind faith.  My faith in Nintendo is the lowest it has ever been.  Not even the entire Nintendo fanbase is optimistic about their future.  We need more than "trust us it will be great".  The last time they said that we got connectivity.  Nintendo's word isn't good enough right now.

So you have large sections of your hardcore fanbase who don't trust you anymore and whose patience is hanging by a thread and a market and industry that largerly no longer gives a sh!t about you at all anymore and a media that just outright ignores you and your strategy is to reveal virtually NOTHING while the competition markets the hell out of their products?  How does this strategy make any sense at all?

[BiLdItUp1]

Ian's right- when I tell people about the Rev, they're skeptical...until I whip out my laptop and the Revolution controller video. If they'd just advertise that in theaters and TV today, maybe with some gameplay footage, they'd generate enormous buzz. Nintendo can't count on all of us having ultraportable laptops and they're controller video, not just yet. "New Miyamoto IP" means nothing to the laymen - the very people Nintendo is supposedly going after.

[KDR_11k]

People are getting excited about the Rev rod. Not just the Nintendo fans, many people think that they should at least wait for the Rev until they make their final decision.

[BigJim]

Many people are waiting for PS3.  Many people are waiting for the 360 price to come down.  Many people aren't waiting at all.

How many are waiting for Revolution exclusively? The diehard Nintendo fan is sadly a dying breed. Even Nintendo thinks it'll be a secondary system.

There's a lot of noise in the mainstream right now. It would only help Nintendo to show something while there is still some media attention on video games.

[31 Flavas]

You can't get excited about them if you have no idea what they look like or what they play like.

So why did everyone get all excited about PSP GTA. Where were 6-month or 1-Year early screenshots and videos? And lack of videos/screenshots/trailers doesn't stop anyone from getting all excited about HALO 3 for x360. Where are the screen shots / videos of it?

And JonLeung nailed it on the head regarding how relevant non-visual information is to non-fans.

And we have plenty of non-visual information about the Revolution. Why does it not matter to you? Maybe because Nintendo isn't getting into a graphics war? Nintendo has stated that they have no intention of making an uber hi-def machine like their competitors,  that, for them, that direction (focusing on the hardcore gamer) is wrong. That should be plently enough information for you if you are only interested in hi-defintion and uber specs. I mean you are acting as if there is only one way to skin a cat / make a video game system.

[ThePerm]

i was playing perfect dark an i was moving arond the controller(as we all naturally do) and someone joked stop that...it wont help you..hahah its not revolution

[pudu]

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i was playing perfect dark an i was moving arond the controller(as we all naturally do) and someone joked stop that...it wont help you..hahah its not revolution

I've been playing my N64 games recently too and got done with a rather long PD play session just a while ago.  You can tell the best games when you don't really care about the graphics because they are just too fun.  As far as moving the controller when playing...my dad has to be the champ.  I can't get him to play often but he's been known to be quite the crazy Mario Kart racer, with his hands flying everywhere.

[nemo_83]

Xbox 360, $399.



PS3 to smash it, $599.



Revolution to sink the industrial titanic, priceless.

[ThePerm]

actually it was pd0

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Joanna's face sinks ships.

[31 Flavas]

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Originally posted by: JonLeung

Plus, a screenshot or trailer is more memorable than a tiny snippet of info to someone who isn't a major fan.  If Nintendo's going to try and create more fans, just a bit of info isn't enough.  Confirmation that a new SSB is in the works really only keeps the SSB fans intrigued, you need at least a trailer to get non-fans to even notice it.

And i'm sure we'll get screenshots, video, trailers, but not until closer. I mean, even Xbox 360 didn't have live non fictitious footage until, what, the Burger King campain? And that was only a month, month and a half in advance? And we still do not have factual PS3 footage. So I wouldn't expect any video out of Nintendo until April / May.

I just really don't think Nintendo has to go down the road of FF7 Tech demos / Simulated next gen football. They are doing fine on their own and if people like the final product, they'll purchase one. No need to get hysterical.

[Dirk Temporo]

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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
So uh... What happened to Nintendo's whole "all details will be released before the end of the year" thing?

Where did you hear that?

They said it at either E3 or the TGS.

[Caliban]

May 9 seems like a good day but...will the supposed unvieling of the PS3 in January at CES (Las Vegas) shatter May 9? I think it might because Sony can have the upper-hand within the gaming media to publicize their new system, and specially if they have playable demos at CES. I guess Nintendo might want to reconsider their unvieling plans.

[Ian Sane]

1UP has a story regarding interest in the Rev vs. the Xbox 360 in Japan.  I think it demonstrates why it's important for Nintendo to reveal more information regarding the Rev.

These are the results a poll taken at Tokyo Game Show 2005 that shows more gamers being interested in the Xbox 360 than the Rev.  Of course this is a game show so it's going to be pretty much the hardcore but considering the Xbox was a total dud in Japan this isn't encouraging nonetheless.  1UP mentions that a major difference is that the X360 was playable at the show.  But I think that's the whole point.  One console is playable, has lots of information available, and is available in stores while another one is just vague announcements and pictures of the controller and console.

The Rev should be KILLING the X360 in any poll from ANY gamer in Japan.  The Xbox is NOTHING in Japan.  Anything Nintendo-made should crush it like an ant.  That fact that it isn't shows to me that Nintendo needs to provide much more information regarding the Rev.

[Bill Aurion]

That poll seems REALLY bogus, considering the PSP is polled at having 4fold the interest the DS has, which is obviously NOT the case...

And think about it...TGS is a hardcore gamer function...Thus, few, if any, casual/non-gamers are there...This skews the poll yet again and is NOT proof of anything...

[Renny]

I recall a Famitsu poll taken at TGS 2003/4 asking what systems were owned. Suffice it to say, the Xbox ratio didn't quite parallel the sales charts....

[Wrote a joke about 'hugging' pillows and dry cleaning. It wasn't funny, so I'll let you make up your own. lol sexbox]

[BiLdItUp1]

It's a difference of 2%, which is probably well within the margin of error, but I see Ian's point. A generation ago, the GC was what the hardcore were waiting for; this isn't the case this time around at all, if the poll is to be taken at face value, which maybe it shouldn't be.

[Ian Sane]

"Thus, few, if any, casual/non-gamers are there...This skews the poll yet again and is NOT proof of anything..."

But isn't Nintendo supposedly an "and company"?  Shouldn't they then care what hardcore gamers think?  One common issue regarding the Rev is whether or not the non-gamer strategy will cast the hardcore aside.  If Nintendo truly is an "and company" like Reggie says they are then they should care a lot what hardcore gamers think.  If they don't then it just confirms all along that they don't care about the existing gamers.  If that truly isn't the case I think it's very important that they establish that.

And it doesn't matter if the poll is skewed.  This "news" is on a major gaming site.  Losing out to the X360 in a poll like that is going to taint the view of the Rev for most who read the results.  Okay maybe the poll doens't really mean anything but if they did this same poll back in 2001 I'll bet the Cube crushed the Xbox in Japan.  Nintendo loses the popular vote on a few polls, it makes the gaming news, and negativity regarding the Rev spreads throughout.  It happened with the Cube.  Having a bad image in the console market is like a disease.  It spreads and the more negative stories and negative rumours that go undenied come up the worse things get.  For a company like Nintendo who has had an incredibly poor public image for the last 7 or 8 years these things are huge.  In order to overcome the image of being the loser console the Rev has to be pretty much perfect.  Well it's too late for that anyway by now but it's important that Nintendo provide less and less reasons for people to think negatively of them.  "Japanese games prefer the X360" as a headline on a major gaming site is bad and if Nintendo wasn't so damn stingy on providing us with information the headline would never have existed or it would have said "Japanese gamers prefer the Rev over the X360".  One less negative for the Rev and possibly a lost positive.

[Bill Aurion]

But isn't Nintendo supposedly an "and company"?  Shouldn't they then care what hardcore gamers think?  One common issue regarding the Rev is whether or not the non-gamer strategy will cast the hardcore aside.

This is a stupid issue, and you are ignoring the topic...We are talking solely non-gamers here, and those non-gamers would add a crapload to the Rev's poll numbers...The fact that the Rev is so close to the 360 comparing NO games shown to ALL games shown means a lot, and you know that but you want to ignore it...And you ignored my remark about the PSP/DS ratio numbers even though the sales are quite contrary...And this "Oh, but Ninty said they are an "and" company" is such disgusting sarcasm...Oh let's see, every game announced thus far are those that cater to the hardcore crowd, so yeah, Ninty is REALLY ignoring the fanbase...I bring this up in EVERY FREAKING THREAD you go on this "Ninty doesn't cater to the hardcore" rant, so just knock it off...

And it doesn't matter if the poll is skewed.  This "news" is on a major gaming site.  Losing out to the X360 in a poll like that is going to taint the view of the Rev for most who read the results.  Okay maybe the poll doens't really mean anything but if they did this same poll back in 2001 I'll bet the Cube crushed the Xbox in Japan.  Nintendo loses the popular vote on a few polls, it makes the gaming news, and negativity regarding the Rev spreads throughout.  It happened with the Cube.  Having a bad image in the console market is like a disease.

Sadly, there is absolutely NOTHING Ninty can do about their image at this point...People will continue to bash Ninty to the end of time...Ninty's image can't possibly get any worse than it already is (which is actually improving at the moment)

You should know that Ninty is not reaching for the Xbots and Sonydrones...They wish to maintain their happy fanbase and introduce new gamers to the crowd...Stop whining that Ninty isn't pulling a Sony/MS with High Dollar, because I know EXACTLY what would happen then...You'd complain that Ninty can't pull marketshare, which is because Ninty can't possibly compete on the level of mudslinging and specifications that the other two can...Nintendo is going for something new, will hold onto their loyal fanbase, and will bring new gamers to the table, and all will be good...Except in Ianland...