Topic: How much more is there to the Revolution that we don't know?

[JonLeung]

I was reading the latest IGN Nintendo Minute (#20) where someone asks if there is more to know about the Revolution.  George Harrison says there are a lot more details about its capabilities and gameplay still to be revealed.

What if the controller, revolutionary in itself, isn't the only new thing?  We haven't seen the attachments other than the analogue stick, so maybe there's something major there.

I remember rumblings about an online service rivalling Xbox Live's, but I would see that more as doing what others are already doing.  Unless it's, like, multiple times better.  Not having experienced Xbox Live myself, I don't really know, but I guess it'd sound good if it was at least comparable.

What could it be?  Is it truly revolutionary?  If there really is more to it, it's kind of sad to see the speculation having stopped once the controller was revealed in September.

Though at the same time, it might not be much at all.  They would probably save further innovations for a later Nintendo console so that the Xbox 720 and PS4 won't have an edge in that department even if they copy the one-handed remote controller.

[Bill Aurion]

What if the controller, revolutionary in itself, isn't the only new thing? We haven't seen the attachments other than the analogue stick, so maybe there's something major there.

Duh...

(Display, display, display)

[PaLaDiN]

I don't know. Everytime somebody at Nintendo comments on secrets yet to be unveiled, I have no idea if they're just being optimistic or if they actually know something that hasn't been revealed yet. I mean Nintendo keeps secrets even from its own staff... even Reggie was wrong about Mario 128.

I'm banking on there being nothing more to it. The controller is plenty big enough by itself.

[Ian Sane]

Of course there is more to know about the Rev.

We still don't know:
- what the launch games are
- what ANY games are being made really aside from some names
- the launch date
- what the graphics even look like
- what the shell looks like
- what exactly comes with each controller
- what comes with the console
- what colours are available
- exactly what third parties are on board (we know some but there's no official list)
- the price
- the specs
- what the game discs look like exactly (or even really what they are as that seems to be wishy-washy too)
- what the pachaging for the games looks like (minor stuff but it's cool to know)
- the final name as Revolution might still be a codename
- anything about the download service beyond that it exists
- anything regarding the marketing of the console

So yeah if you ask a Nintendo rep if there is more to know of course he's going to say "yes" because we still don't know a whole bunch of things.  That doesn't mean there's a big surprise waiting.  I imagine most of it is routine stuff.  If there are any surprises it would probably relate to a game announcment or significant third party support deal.  I figure the controller is pretty much done aside from maybe some changes Nintendo will make in response to impessions of the controller (ie: better battery design than AAs).  To me the controller looks exactly like what Nintendo wants it to.  If there's a change I figure it will be because they felt pressure to make it but it wasn't part of their original "vision".  

[Don'tHate742]

Ian, he said there are a few surprises....

Nintendo's definition of surprises is just like ours. Hell they SURPRISED the hell out of us at GDC with that TP trailer, so I'm sure when they say surprises....they mean surprises.

Also, how can you ignore the statement Retro made:

(paraphrased) "We are going to use all the aspects of the revolution, as well as the controller."  

[ThePerm]

im hoping there will be a microphone that can connect to the controller which can in turn have a nunchuku attached to it.

[BiLdItUp1]

Honestly, the Nintendo Minute is a stupid feature IGNcube just cooked up because there's nothing else for them to do. The result is they simultaneously bash Nintendo and yet spew their propaganda straight from the source. I sent Matt an email asking him to elminate the feature altogether, because I don't think we've ever actually gotten any new info out of them. (Don't know how much good the email'll do)

[Caliban]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Of course there is more to know about the Rev.

- the specs

Didn't someone from Nintendo say that the specs won't be released to the public? Tough luck.

[KnowsNothing]

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even Reggie was wrong about Mario 128.

Miyamoto was wrong about Mario 128 as well.  It wasn't because he was left out of the secret inner sanctum at Nintendo, they really thought Mario 128 would be shown at E3.  I assume of course that's what you're talking about...  

[Epitaph]

I still think we are in for some kind of 3d visuals that pop out of the screen. It would just make sense with the trailler and the controller.

You see people swatting flies. What if they arn't swatting to the screen but actually flying critters. They also never showed any games running.  That is not like nintendo, every consol they ever showed has come with a game demo. Theres something else just how good is it gonna be is left to be seen.

[Ian Sane]

"Didn't someone from Nintendo say that the specs won't be released to the public? Tough luck."

Just because Nintendo doesn't reveal them doesn't mean the general public won't find out what they are.

I'd say the absolute latest we get some info regarding the guts of the machine is one week after the first launch.

[KnowsNothing]

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They also never showed any games running. That is not like nintendo, every consol they ever showed has come with a game demo.

Wait, are we now ignoring the demos they showed to certain press members, or what?

[Bill Aurion]

Those demos aren't indicative of actual games, as Ninty has already said...The final piece of the puzzle is most definitely the display...

[KnowsNothing]

I think the Metroid Prime 2 demo is indicative of Metroid Prime 3.

I was just pointing out that there WERE demos when the controller was revealed. Of course, when you put the quote back into context it makes a little more sense (>_>), but I don't think we'll being seeing any 3D display...

[odifiend]

If the surprise does lie in the display, I have brand new appreciation for that teaser video.  TV's point of view of the gamer for the win.

[Ian Sane]

"I think the Metroid Prime 2 demo is indicative of Metroid Prime 3."

I hope not or at least I hope they don't change the controls to be more FPS-like which is what those revamped controls sounded like.  That would be a Ubisoft "Prince or Persia: Warrion Within" routine where you change the sequel to suit those that DIDN'T buy the earlier game at the expense of those who did.

Metroid Prime 3 should be made for those who loved Metroid Prime 1 or 2.  If it's not I'm not buying it and if that means I have no reason to buy a Rev at launch I won't buy one then either.  I don't remember exactly what the revamped controls were (though I remember being really turned off by them) so hopefully it'll all be okay.

This 3D display stuff is incredibly unrealistic.  I don't think scientifically it's even possible or least not in a way where it wouldn't look like total crap and cost tons of money.  If you get your hopes up for "magic" technology like that you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

[KnowsNothing]

I loved the Primes because they focused on exploration, upgrades, and the phenominal visor/scanning system, not because you couldn't aim and walk at the same time.  The controls worked well for the Primes, but they weren't the key factor in making them awesome games.  Besides, you can still lock on to enemies, it's just not as necessary now.

Although I admit it'd be a little strange, and maybe not needed or even improved, but I don't think it's any reason to refuse to buy the game, since the controls were only a minior factor in making Metroid Prime such a singular game.

[kirby_killer_dedede]

As far as Mario 128 goes, I'm convinced it's a big lump of nothing.  It was to show up at E3 two years ago.  Never did.  It was promised to us at E3 this year.  Never showed.  We were promised a revolutionary game for the GameCube.  Miyamoto says that it's more likely to appear on Rev.  We were promised that the revolutionary game was going well.  Miyamoto after E3 says that they're still working on the freaking concept.

But of course that's ridiculously off topic.

Yes, there's much more to the Revolution - or at least there better be.  The hardcore have already bought into it.  The hardcore believe in Nintendo.  The hardcore believe that the controller truly is a revolution.  The problem is our sisters and grandpas, and the rest of the mainstream, have yet to buy into it.  There has to be something...I don't know, I just feel like there's a little thing missing from a winning formula, and I think Nintendo knows what that is.

[Nile Boogie]

 A HUD that conects to the controller itself and goes over the eyes DBZ style. I'm right you know, I'm always right. Even when I'm wrong I'm still right because I could have been right if I choose the right way. Plus I was right about the controller all the way down to the blue lights and freestyle control. (Now shower me with interweb hugs!!!!) HUD FTW!!!

[Ian Sane]

"The problem is our sisters and grandpas, and the rest of the mainstream, have yet to buy into it."

Those people in general don't know the Rev even exists.  That has more to do with Nintendo starting the marketing blitz than the console itself.  The console itself is probably enough.  Nintendo being so damn tight-lipped and vague is why your sister and grandpa haven't bought into it.

[KnowsNothing]

The Rev isn't going to launch for around a year from now.  There's no use in releasing all that info now, since sister and grandpa aren't going to buy an Xbox 360 or a PS3 anyway.

[mjbd]

I for one hope the controls in Metroid are more like a PC FPS setup.  Its simply a better way of controlling a FPS.  This doesnt change Metroid into another type of game, it just gives you better control over Samus.  I seriously doubt Retro will turn Metroid into a mindless shooter, have some faith in them.  As for the undisclosed features;  I think we know the most important one, I dont think there will be anything as shocking as what they already showed us.  If they arent going to show us specs, show us some games.  I seriously would have thought nintendo would show a few teaser video's by now.

[Epitaph]

I still think eventually we will get a new display method or system. Nintendo has been working at making a cheep virtual reality sine the snes days. Eventually the technollogy will be cheap enough that they can sell them to the general public. Personally I think the censors from the controller would be ideal for such a headset. The only other hurdle are the screens, I cant see why they couldnt simply use lcd. Im fairly sure we arnt gonna see one this generation but I bet the generation after will have it.

As for the 3d display its not that far fetched. Already companys are releasing 3d monitors for around 600$, although these monitors are still flawed it is a true 3d image. People always seem to underestimate where technology is at.

Sharps 3d monitor
http://www.sharpsystems.com/products/lcd_monitors/15-17_inch/ll-151-3d/
http://www.sharpsystems.com/news/press_releases/release.asp?press=59

Article outlining the current situation of 3d monitors
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115975,00.asp

Theres also this true 3d "monitor" although impractical still a sign of technology to come. Its the same idea as when nintendo had the 3d fox mcloud at e3.
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Apr/gee20030428019757.htm
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2001july/bch20010703006630.htm

Now with all this new push for 3d whos to say nintendo didnt create something no one else ever thought of dooing. Its not a revolution if its already been done.  

[stevey]

"We still don't know:
- what the launch games are"

mp3, m128, ssbO,

"- the launch date"

mid 2006

"- what the graphics even look like
- what the shell looks like
- what exactly comes with each controller
- what comes with the console
- what colours are available"

there was a aort mp3 vid, like the wavebird but with a snes layout, a stick and shell, controller-stick-shell-power cords-hook up cords-and a system,black red white siver green.

"- the price"

199.95

"- the specs"

NEVER!!!

"- what the pachaging for the games looks like (minor stuff but it's cool to know)"

stop wasting people time bitching

"- the final name as Revolution might still be a codename"

they dont know.

"- anything regarding the marketing of the console"

"who are you" with ninja's

[ruby_onix]

A GameCube AC Adaptor is $20. The N64's AC Adaptor was $25. To combat this rampant pattern of expenditure, and reduce the cost of the Revolution, Nintendo is unveiling a tremendous new revolution in wireless console gaming.

The Revolution will be battery powered, running on four "C" size batteries, similar to the "ghetto blasters" of the 1980's, for that extra nostalgic charm.

Resist evolution! Enter the console ghetto! Join the Revolution!