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Jim Merrick, once again, with some new bites of info
« on: November 09, 2005, 08:34:31 AM »
This is basically all he had to say, but if your interested in reading the whole article (which is not very long at all), then go HERE

o) 512MB of flash memory is expandable. Duh...

o) Revolution's disc drive is the first slot-based disc drive that can handle two different formats. Formats, I'm geussing, meaning whatever type of disk the GC has and then tis new propriety REV disk. If he's just talking about being able to slot load two different sized disks then I think he's mistaken.

o) Number of third parties have already committed to providing their back catalogue for download. He goes on to say that it's the "usual suspects."

o) It is possible that you could download trailers, in-game music or demos of games that would expire in 30 days, or a game that you could share with another person. This was just an example, but it is intriguing that they are at least thinking about this. In-game music would kick ass.

o) Merrick confirms that Hideo Kojima is working with Revoluton project. Finally, some damn good information though we could of geussed this with all the hints being dropped.

o)  "With [the] DS, we were 14 weeks, which was the tightest Nintendo has ever been with a console launch and that was an achievement. But with [the] Revolution, we expect to do better than that. That certainly is our goal."

o)  Europe might not be left behind for once. It´s possible that Revolution would be launched in Europe before Japan or USA. In my opinion, this is a crock of sh!t.

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RE:Jim Merrick, once again, with some new bites of info
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2005, 08:38:06 AM »
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In-game music would kick ass.

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RE: Jim Merrick, once again, with some new bites of info
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2005, 09:09:59 AM »
"Even more excited than when we realised they were giving us actual frankfurters for tea."

How do you drink a frankfurter?

"Oh gosh, I remember that, I love the original Mario Bros, I grew up on that game, a couple of pounds and boy I can download that"

A couple of pounds for Mario Bros?  Well maybe he means Super Mario Bros but still a couple of pounds seems a little pricey for either of those games (remember that pounds are worth more than American or Canadian dollars).  Super Mario Bros might as well be free.  You can find used copies of it for like a quarter.

"Merrick says he's not sure if we'll only get to play games using the freestyle controller, or if those which use the 'nunchuk' or 'classic' add-ons will also be on show."

Interesting.  Now the question is does Merrick know about Nintendo's first party games.  If he does then this suggests that all of Nintendo's current Rev projects are using the remote exclusively.  That's not really suprising though as a skeptic of the remote I'm not too confident about that.  SSB with the remote for example doesn't really get my motor running particularly since we haven't got an online SSB with the "normal" controls and probably never will if Nintendo makes everything use the remote.  The remote better truly be the future of gaming if Nintendo is going to make it their universal standard.

I'm happy to hear confirmation that Kojima is working on something.  Let's just hope it's not that silly "the game destroys itself when you die" idea.

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2005, 09:10:39 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2005, 10:07:18 AM »
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o)  Europe might not be left behind for once. It´s possible that Revolution would be launched in Europe before Japan or USA. In my opinion, this is a crock of sh!t.


It shows a sign that they really are starting to pay attention to us over here. The fact that they acknowledged it is good enough!
It may not (and likely will not) happen, but so long as we aren't forced to wait 12 weeks after the USA and Japan (ala DS) then that's good.

A perfect launch would be a 2 week gap between each territory.


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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2005, 10:57:34 AM »
You missed a very important point.
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[W]hen it comes to the question of Blu-Ray versus HD-DVD, Merrick's very clear as to which side Nintendo's on: "Neither. We're not getting involved with that argument at all." It's probably for the best.
I guess this means Nintendo's definitely going with regular DVD.  Which isn't that bad, considering Microsoft is doing the same.
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2005, 11:19:35 AM »
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You missed a very important point.
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[W]hen it comes to the question of Blu-Ray versus HD-DVD, Merrick's very clear as to which side Nintendo's on: "Neither. We're not getting involved with that argument at all." It's probably for the best.
I guess this means Nintendo's definitely going with regular DVD.  Which isn't that bad, considering Microsoft is doing the same.


It had been largely known that they weren't going with either future format, but what isn't known is what capacity the discs they make will be. Just because it's DVD doesn't mean it'll be DVD9 or even a DVD5. Could be another size altogether like GC discs were.
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RE: Jim Merrick, once again, with some new bites of info
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2005, 11:32:04 AM »
I didn't know that HD-DVD had been ruled out completely.  Nevermind.

EDIT:  Someone care to explain what the difference is between DVD9 and DVD5?  I know 9 holds more data, but how?  Size?  Layers?  Encoding?

Can standard DVD players read both formats, or do you need a special player to read one (or both) of them?  What's a regular DVD (9 or 5)?
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2005, 11:51:49 AM »
I think DVD5 is the normal single-layer disk, and I know DVD9 is the double-layerd kind.

And who says it has to be a DVD? What about that 1-terrabyte kind?
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2005, 12:13:33 PM »
If Ninty can fit a game like Twilight Princess onto a single GC disc (1.2 GB, correct?) then I'm not too worried about having a mere 9 GB...
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RE: Jim Merrick, once again, with some new bites of info
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2005, 12:43:11 PM »
Bill, Nintendo can fit a game anywhere.  Nintendo if forced could pull off carts, but it is not Nintendo anyone is worried about.  Also, I thought the GCN discs were 1.5 GB?
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2005, 12:56:50 PM »
Like many people have already stated, Vudu, I left that point out because it was irrelevant. It didn't tell us anything new.

Did Panasonic make the GC disks? If so, I'll bet anything that they're making the REV disks as well. Talking about this is stupid though. Whatever Nintendo does it'll at least match the Xbox 360, so factoring in what ever we're trying to factor here is pointless.

The most exciting news is definitely point 3 and 4. It gives us the exciting prospect that GoldenEye and PilotWings might just make it to the console. Also, Kojima is a genious. What kind of ideas can HE, a true game designer, come up with when our lame ideas seem intriguing already. More importantly, that rumor about Kojima and Miyamoto working on a horror project together just might turn out to be true. Miyamoto saw the potential of the GC controller in a "scary" type of game (Luigi's Mansion), imagine what he could do with the NRC.
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RE: Jim Merrick, once again, with some new bites of info
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2005, 12:57:40 PM »
"If Ninty can fit a game like Twilight Princess onto a single GC disc (1.2 GB, correct?) then I'm not too worried about having a mere 9 GB..."

We said the same thing about the switch from cartridges to GC discs.  Nintendo isn't the issue here.  The issue is with bloatware makers like EA providing inferior ports because they're inefficient with space.  The issue is these crappy ports making the Cube look inferior.  Obviously we don't want that to happen on the Rev.

But with 9GB and MS having the exact same size I think this is good enough.  If EA goes crazy and starts using whole Blu Ray discs then the X360 is screwed too so it's not as bad.  I think Nintendo made the Cube discs too small but in this case I think they're doing the right thing.  There's a point where providing more space is excessive.  I think Sony was right on the money with the appropriate size last gen but this next gen they're being excessive to the point where Nintendo doesn't have to follow them.

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RE:Jim Merrick, once again, with some new bites of info
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2005, 01:24:13 PM »
The official word was "dual layered 12cm optical discs" I believe. So yeah, doesn't have to be DVDs.

What he said about downloading for two pounds was just an off-hand remark; nothing to take seriously.

Good news about the 3rd parties, even though they'd be crazy not to allow their games to be there.

Trailers, demos, etc sounds really exciting. I hope they implement these types of ideas to make the WiFi connection truly special.

And I said this in the other thread but then I found this one; Konami had promised "one or two flagship titles" for the Rev... unique games. But IIRC they also said they would be developing Disney Soccer for the Rev, so I'm not really holding my breath until we find out more.
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2005, 01:31:51 PM »
How about you provide a link before spitting non-sense?

No game has been confirmed by a third party....EVER. So what the hell are you talking about. The most we know is that the creators of Killer 7 are making a game and so is Square, and now Kojima. We don't know what games they are or even when they'll be ready...
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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2005, 01:35:21 PM »
Ian, I don't think a pound is even twice as much as a US dollar.  A couple of pounds could be just four or five dollars.
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2005, 01:43:58 PM »
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We said the same thing about the switch from cartridges to GC discs. Nintendo isn't the issue here. The issue is with bloatware makers like EA providing inferior ports because they're inefficient with space. The issue is these crappy ports making the Cube look inferior. Obviously we don't want that to happen on the Rev.


There's two points here that I would like to make:  First, the reason the GC got the inferior ports was not due to disk space, it was due to the fact that all EA games were built with the PS2 in mind.(where the money is)  They were then ported to the GC and Xbox with minor graphical upgrades.  As for the actual disk space being a factor, it isn't.  What is a factor is memory.  Those memory cards Nintendo shells out are useless(except for the 1019 which wasn't even available for years).  The Xbox and Ps2 never had problems like these.  Of course, EA does cut corners, but I'm just pointing out that a lot of this is dictated by market share and Nintendo's own unwillingness to offer solutions.

Now, about Merricks statements, the one I find most intiguing is "The usual suspects".  I suspect we'll be looking at the original core of the NES, which contained  Konami, Capcom, Square/Enix ect/ Not so sure about Sega.  I could see Sega offering up their games to the highest bidder, and I think MS would love to offer Sega classics exclusively for their download service.  Afterall, a lot of Xbox owners are disgruntled Sega fans who couldn't stomach buying a Nintendo product (though then one has to wonder why Sega games sell like garbage).

But maybe we'll have all the Final Fantasy , Castlevania and Metal Gear games we never had on a Nintendo system before.  
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2005, 03:25:42 AM »
About the potential Rev's diskmedium... let's think for a while, they will be 12 cm optical disks, Nintendo likes to keep it special so copying it is near impossible and the Rev diskdrive is capable of running two different formats as a first. Since the GC-disks are mini-dvd we can count out dvd since dvd is a format.
Blu-ray and HD-DVD doesn't seem to it either.

Possible format: diagonal burned dvd's. Some time ago i saw a article (very long ago, so don't have a link sorry) about some mod-guys making a diagonal cd-burner and what gives, if you burn the holes diagonal you can fit way more on the disk (space beteen the lines get thinner), then they tried it with a DVD-burner and they could fit 40 gb of data on a normal dvd.
So we have a near impossible  to copy medium that can fit tons of data and uses existing technology but applied differently...sounds very Nintendo now does it (except the tons of data), fits the giving hints too...
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2005, 04:36:05 AM »
The Brits pay a quid for a song on iTunes, in the US that costs one buck.

Probably modified DVD9s or perhaps even a BRD derivative. Since a modified BRD isn't a BRD Merrick would still be correct.

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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2005, 09:54:14 AM »
A British (1) pound is about $1.50... Aple is getting extra over there, fo which they have been critisice before! Also an (1) Euro is about $1.30... I haven't check the curent exchange rates but those nombers are close.

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Possible format: diagonal burned dvd's. Some time ago i saw a article (very long ago, so don't have a link sorry) about some mod-guys making a diagonal cd-burner and what gives, if you burn the holes diagonal you can fit way more on the disk (space beteen the lines get thinner), then they tried it with a DVD-burner and they could fit 40 gb of data on a normal dvd.
So we have a near impossible to copy medium that can fit tons of data and uses existing technology but applied differently...sounds very Nintendo now does it (except the tons of data), fits the giving hints too...


I think you are confuce with that, at least I think you are mixing things up a bit... You are probably confuse with  the new Perpendicular Hard Drives which store the data on vertical (standig uprigt, perpendicular) position, instead of vertical (flat, horizontal) position... Look at it like if you had a bunch of pensils... you can get many more pensils verticaly than horizontaly (asuming you can't stack them one on top of an other)...

Then again, I have heard of some tecnologies, like holographic recording... so maybe that posible format you mention does exist... if you remember where you got the info from don't forget to link to it! That said... I don't think they will use that... but who knows!
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2005, 10:07:27 AM »
They'll obviously use the format that allows the fastest transfer rate, so use that as a clue.
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2005, 11:26:30 AM »
Glad to hear lots of third parties are on board with backwards compatibility!  Downloadable music would be very cool.

I think up to $5 would be reasonable for most good NES games.  We as hardcore gamers know how to get it cheaper, but the casual consumers will look at it and I think they will consider that a decent price.  It's still about 10% of the cost of a new game, and maybe 20% of the cost of a used game or a "Greatest Hits" game, and you don't need to find an old NES to play it!

I don't know about other cities, but in Calgary, used games older than N64 are hard to find, we basically have a few specialty stores that will charge you up to $60 for used games that aren't even that rare.  I know someone who bought Super Mario RPG for $100 last week!  We're not a small city, either, so I'm betting a lot of other places are in the same situation.  Going online is a good way to find cheap used games (unless they're very rare and in high demand), but I don't think casual gamers are interested enough to do that most of the time.

I will admit one thing, it is a ripoff if you're thinking of it in terms of "backwards compatibility".  With a PS3, you should be able to play almost any PSX game you own for free, Sony won't charge you another $10 for it.  Even so, I think it's fair for Nintendo to charge a few bucks.
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RE: Jim Merrick, once again, with some new bites of info
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2005, 11:37:00 AM »
Well calling it "backwards compatibility" isn't even a viable choice, considering you will be emulating the games, not playing the actual cartridges...Rev and GC games on the other hand...
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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2005, 11:46:52 AM »
Maybe Nintendo could release a classic games player for the Rev with slots for the NES, SNES and N64.  I think a good name for it could be the "Toaster" since it would have three slots in it.

Ideally Nintendo could release it about two years in so that they can sell a few downloads to people who already have the old games first (the NES will get a lot of this since the hardware is so damn unreliable these days).  It's not the nicest thing to do but from a business standpoint it makes sense.  Personally I would just like the option to play all my old games without cluttering up my entertainment centre.  The only way to truly allow that would be to have some sort of hardware adapter.  Even if you, for some dumb reason, buy and download all the games you already own again there's going to be some games that just aren't available that you might have (Battletoads is a big question mark for example).

At some point I think GB/GBC downloads should become available.  The DS can only play GBA games so once the GBA gets phased out that would be an ideal way to make sure those games are still available.  Plus it's not like you can find new copies of Metroid II anymore.

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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2005, 12:26:03 PM »
As cool as the name the Toaster is, there is no need for it.  To prevent the cluttering of Ian's entertainment center is just not quite a good enough reason to start production .  I think emulation is fine and as for games that may not be downloadable if you are so otaku about it, just break out your old system.
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