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« Reply #775 on: August 10, 2007, 09:18:30 AM »
Oooo... can you find the secret bonus in the Metroid Prime Preview Channel?
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« Reply #776 on: August 10, 2007, 10:00:15 AM »
I did! Nice stuff.
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« Reply #777 on: August 10, 2007, 10:17:05 AM »
If you "erase" the first, there is a second one to reveal, as well!
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« Reply #778 on: August 10, 2007, 10:17:43 AM »
So I just downloaded the preview channel.

Good stuff. The bonus was kinda cool =)

The bridge fight video was pretty awesome but the other video was so . . . I dunno. I already don't care for the voice acting in this game. The narration was so generic and so was the random army guy at the base or w/e he was.

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« Reply #779 on: August 10, 2007, 11:18:53 AM »
31 Flavas, I tried erasing too, fun
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« Reply #780 on: August 10, 2007, 02:34:29 PM »
You guys should hear the latest IGN Wiik in review, Matt refuses to admit that he was wrong.
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« Reply #781 on: August 10, 2007, 05:17:11 PM »
CRAP! I just realized this game is coming really soon! I need a wii now but is so expensive, I can't believe I just notice this, I always felt that the game was coming in a few months and I'd had time to save some money, also hoping for the price drop... damn Nintendo and their overpriced stuff...

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« Reply #782 on: August 10, 2007, 06:39:19 PM »
Wow, I never thought I'd hear anyone say that the Wii was expensive. $250 is a lot of dough, but damn, it's refreshing to see next to $600.

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« Reply #783 on: August 10, 2007, 06:42:18 PM »
Sorry GP, I agree with Matt. Nintendo is just catering to the audience they already have. Nintendo needs to start the commercials, throw up billboards across the country, do some Metroid parties. Something other than reach out to current Wii owners.

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« Reply #784 on: August 10, 2007, 06:53:54 PM »
I hate to say it but I think trying to penetrate the Xbox 360 market and PS3 market with Prime just isn't going to work. No matter how much advertising you do.

Now this is just my perception of things but more than likely the majority of FPS get into their respective games for what? The multiplayer. Prime is a FPA and while it's going to be one hell of a game I just don't see Xbos 360 owners giving a damn about it (they have their halo 3 coming soon, I doubt they will lay out the cash just for a one player "FPS" romp). And PS3 owners . . . well they probably already own an Xbox lol.

I think Nintendo would do wise to make the game as noticeable as possible to it's existing market.

If Prime 1 and 2 couldn't push system sales I don't see how 3 will be any different.

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« Reply #785 on: August 10, 2007, 07:08:06 PM »
Metroid Prime 3 is just for Metroid Prime fans. It'll only move systems to people who already like the series.

Nintendo can never, or even hope to, out-Halo Microsoft with Metroid. Now, many on this board (myself included) are not Halo fans, but there's no denying that millions of people love the series to death (like my brother). The best Nintendo can do is make a better first-person shooter and it has to be an original IP. Since there will be no Metroid Prime 4, I think Retro should try their hands at a revolutionary FPS. They've earned the right to create an original game.

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« Reply #786 on: August 10, 2007, 07:50:31 PM »
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Sorry GP, I agree with Matt. Nintendo is just catering to the audience they already have. Nintendo needs to start the commercials, throw up billboards across the country, do some Metroid parties. Something other than reach out to current Wii owners.


Yeah, they're doing that. It's called SELLING OUT.

I think it's ridiculous to talk about Nintendo needing to sell Wiis to people who don't already own Wiis when the number of people who don't have Wiis and want 'em is STILL unproportionately large.

... what I think Nintendo CAN and SHOULD be thinking about is converting people who WOULD be going to the XBox 360 or PS3 because of these epic hardcore types of escapism, and instead get them to buy a Wii whether or not they own, or will eventually own, an X360 or PS3. Nintendo shouldn't be trying to eat into the markets of Sony and MS by stealing their customers, that's a red ocean "OR" strategy. People who want Halo 3 or FFXIII will buy a PS3 no matter what, Nintendo's strategy right now (in regards to established console gamers) is to get those people to own those consoles AND a Wii.
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« Reply #787 on: August 10, 2007, 08:06:35 PM »
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Sorry GP, I agree with Matt. Nintendo is just catering to the audience they already have. Nintendo needs to start the commercials, throw up billboards across the country, do some Metroid parties. Something other than reach out to current Wii owners.


As Kairon stated, Nintendo does not need to sell Wii's they are selling out all over, so all they have is the current base. Also you have to  be pretty blind to not notice that Nintendo always waits until the week of or slightly after to hype things and guess what? IT WORKS. Super Paper Mario is a prime example of that. Heck even the Wii itself is like that, Matt and others whined about the lack of Wii advertising and guess what? They ate their words.

I'm sorry but people are being annoying about MP3, Nintendo has NEVER done something like they are doing now with hyping Metroid Prime 3, and yet people still whine, it is old and frankly it is childish. People can never admit they are wrong, instead they try to find faults in something that answers their concerns and consistently modify their whining instead of admit they may have jumped the gun. It was "Metroid Prime 3 is getting no hype and Nintendo is stupid" to "Well yeah they are now hyping it but only to its user base". Let me ask you what hype has Halo 3 really been getting? Yeah we've seen demos but really it is only selling to its current fan base, but that is ok for MS right?  
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« Reply #788 on: August 10, 2007, 08:34:19 PM »
Why does anyone care if Nintendo is hyping Metroid Prime 3 anyway? You know the game is coming so you get to play it. What the hell difference does it make? Metroid doesn't sell systems, never has and probably never will. It does, however, rock your body (to the break of dawn).

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« Reply #789 on: August 10, 2007, 08:37:14 PM »
Halo 3 has Burger King and Pepsi, along with all the promotional materials being passed around to various media outlets, blogs included. If Nintendo would have sent the videos us Wii owners saw to the same outlets, that would be saying 'we're reaching out to your viewers'. Instead they are saying 'here's a reminder for all of you Wii owners'.

Selling out? Selling out? Are you mad? Do you think that mass advertising is compromising the integrity of the product?
EDITThis is what happens when I do this late at night. I read that as 'selling out' as how a music artist 'sells out' to sign on with a major label. Durrr. Just disregard that comment, please. Thank you!


The thing is Nintendo was pushing Metroid Prime 3 as proof that the Wii is 'the' system for FPS controls. But who is going to know if you downplay the release of the game?

Look at all the material available for the other big releases: Mass Effect, Bioshock, Halo3, Call of Duty 4, Smash Brothers. There's so much info out there that it takes a minimal amount of effort to find. But no one is talking about Metroid because Nintendo isn't building brand name recognition.

The complaint is that Nintendo is pushing the existance of Metroid to the general public, and adding a video channel to Wii doesn't prove a damn thing. It does show what little faith in their users they have by gimping the videos provided. How would people react if videos of Mass Effect were in low res 4:9?

Nintendo just needs to create a better message with this title.  

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« Reply #790 on: August 10, 2007, 08:43:00 PM »
Once again I point to Wii and SPM, both are examples of Nintendo products that were not hyped weeks before launch. Maybe you have forgotten but Nintendo did try hyping Metroid Prime and guess what, it didn't do much. Also mass advertising at this point of time is stupid and frankly stupid from a business point of view because they already have a supply problem with Wii's so why advertise a game to an "expanded" base if people can't get systems? What you do is hype it enough to establish it in the minds of current Wii owners and when supply is above demand, you have an attractive lineup of games. Whether you want to believe it or not, Metroid will NEVER begin to compare to Halo in demand, so it would be a waste to blow all that money on big deals. Once again I point to SPM, did that have huge blockbuster advertising? No. Did it sell great? Yes it did. Nintendo FINALLY has a product that the games can sell themselves.  

Guess what? Smash Brothers is not the norm either, and really it has little hype beyond the "hardcore" base. It isn't going mass market so I fail to see the comparison, is it because it has a site that keeps tabs of new items, levels, and characters? Please, give me a break, no one pays attention to the updates besides its current base.

Metroid Prime 3 would more than likely sell as many copies with or without a big advertising drive, but I think its impact will be tremendous later on if the controls are great. Guess what? That is what really matters. Doing big huge extravagant, 100 million (Or whatever) dollar advertising campaign isn't going to change that either way. Metroid Prime is sadly a game that will remain stuck as a small but still loyal user base until Nintendo decides to make 50 player multiplayer modes with shark flame throwers and a run n gun single player. It is a franchise that is already pigeon holed and doesn't have the benefit of being a new IP or an extremely successful one. Nintendo needs to do what they've always done sell the game to its core and let the word spread, that is what happened to Wii and that is what CAN happen to Metroid Prime 3.

To Nintendo's credit, they are at least shaking things up with MP3 without getting extravagant, but starting to light the hype fire. But no, that isn't good enough, at first they were doing nothing but now that has changed to they aren't doing enough, even when history shows Nintendo usually waits until a game is almost available to put marketing behind it. Until Nntendo changes the gameplay of the series, buying Pepsi advertisements isn't going to do anything besides burn a hole in their wallet in order to satisfy a bunch of whiners who refuse to admit they are jumping the gun wanting to do something that will make no dent in the already sold out Wii sales. Face it, the mainstream gamers who drool over Halo have their minds made up and nothing is going to change that, which is why we need a new franchise if Nintendo hopes to recapture that segment. So instead of flushing marketing dollars down the toilet maybe they can invest it in something else.  

In conclusion, if Nintendo hasn't started a decent marketing blitz focused on at least the user base, I will gladly join the choir. Until then I see Nintendo trying something new and out of character to advertise the game, and while maybe not the greatest it shows they care and are starting to hype it. Beyond that I really don't expect much else from them until VERY close to release. They have a great grapevine going now, something MP1 and MP2 didn't have, so lets let them use it. It worked with Wii, it worked with WarioWare, it worked for Zelda: OOT and it worked with Super Paper Mario, so let's back off and realize that Nintendo MAY actually know what they are doing this time. Hard to believe, I know, they only sold 9 million units in a year.

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« Reply #791 on: August 10, 2007, 08:46:10 PM »
The general public just doesn't care all that much about the Prime series. =/

Halo is well Halo, it's pretty much why the Xbox even is still around so of course it's going to be pimped up and down. Who cares though? Do you honestly think Halo is going to reach out to new people that haven't played the series? Even if it does do you think it'll do so in such high numbers that it'll make Halo 3 sell all the more better?

Halo already has a fan base, as does the prime series but Halo is just that much larger.

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« Reply #792 on: August 10, 2007, 08:48:19 PM »
Agreed. There's no reason to get drawn into an e-peen contest. Else we'd have another Metroid Prime 2 on our hands.

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« Reply #793 on: August 10, 2007, 09:54:01 PM »
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Why does anyone care if Nintendo is hyping Metroid Prime 3 anyway? You know the game is coming so you get to play it. What the hell difference does it make? Metroid doesn't sell systems, never has and probably never will. It does, however, rock your body (to the break of dawn).


When Matt complains about things he isn't actually complaining about the hype, he is bitching that HE doesn't have the demo's or videos left.  He is a member of the gaming press and feels he deserves this stuff early and regularly or he goes on a hissy fit.  This isn't the first time he complained about the gaming press not getting something early.  The thing is since the Wii launch and the DS Nintendo has proven that the "videogame press" means absolutely dick.  I think a lot of them feel threatened now that they realize they really don't matter and what they think doesn't change anything.  

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« Reply #794 on: August 11, 2007, 01:50:32 AM »
GP: On the Halo 3.  I have seen something about Halo 3 on every major news outlet multiple times.  I haven't really heard a peep about MP3.
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« Reply #795 on: August 11, 2007, 06:30:33 AM »
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Why does anyone care if Nintendo is hyping Metroid Prime 3 anyway? You know the game is coming so you get to play it. What the hell difference does it make? Metroid doesn't sell systems, never has and probably never will. It does, however, rock your body (to the break of dawn).


Because more sales means more games and I want more Metroid games! its never enough.

Going against halo and/or the ps3/360 crowd is just stupid as I said, and they don't have and should not do that. Metroid is a quality series and it deserves and can have more sales. I doubt they have really topped the potential sales of the franchise, specially with the new expanded audience.
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« Reply #796 on: August 11, 2007, 07:39:13 AM »
Nintendo did more with the original Prime than the second. Guess which sold more.

Super Paper Mario has brand name recognition.

The Wii is selling on Wii Sports alone.

Metroid Prime 3 isn't out to be a system seller. Its out to be proof that the Wii can be a destination for great AAA first person shooters. But that won't happen if Nintendo can't sell the software. And the only way it will happen is if Nintendo can create brand recognition with the name 'Metroid'. When you think of high quality shooters, people should say 'Metroid', instead they say 'Halo' or 'Half-Life' or 'Goldeneye'.

Nintendo whoring out the name of Metroid to various outlets only re-enforces peoples thought patterns. It needs to happen or publishers are going to point at it and say 'See, if Nintendo can't even sell their own game, how can we?'. And those 2 Japanese guys running around saying 'We would like to play' isn't going to cut it.

I would say that Nintendo is content with selling Metroid to its known user base. They know that even if they sell 600,000 to 700,000 copies they've made their money back and didn't have to worry about a huge advertising campaign. And its just not what the 3rd parties want to see happen to their efforts.

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« Reply #797 on: August 11, 2007, 08:38:52 AM »
Did the Wii have brand name recognition when it sold out?

There was little to no hype surrounding Wii when it launched and then bam instant success.

Marketing does not always lead to more sales.

Furthermore the flaw (and I mean MAJOR flaw) in the argument that Metroid is what people should be saying instead of Half-life, Goldeneye or Halo is (once again):

METRIOD PRIME 3 IS NOT A MULTIPLAYER GAME

I hate caps and bolding but everyone has to remember this one fact. Metroid isn't going to appeal to those FPS fans that enjoy their Halo, Half-life, Goldeneye, timesplitters, and what not. They are going to see a 1 player FPS game that's the 3rd in the series and they will probably have no clue what's going on and really not care.

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« Reply #798 on: August 11, 2007, 09:22:59 AM »
We've got all of Holiday season to find out if Metroid Prime 3 is going to be another MP2 dud. Hopefully, the game exhibits a long tail of sales past launch and right into Christmas and beyond due to constant sell outs of Wii hardware (and the new owners looking for a game), the Wii maintaining a must-have appeal this Holiday season, and a strong showing by existing casual/traditional Wii owners who are looking for this type of game.

Assuming we have this long launch window of sales opportunity (as opposed to the traditional pattern of whatever you sell the first month, that's it), Metroid Prime 3 marketting can extend anywhere from now until Christmas in order to have an effect.
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« Reply #799 on: August 11, 2007, 09:49:24 AM »
Yes, there was hype around the Wii launch. Compare the launch of the Wii to the launch of Gamecube. Just in my town alone, there was enough people waiting in line overnight to buy a Wii for a sell-out. But with the Gamecube, I was first in line and arrived an hour before the store opened.

There is plenty of hype around the Wii itself. Everyone knows it will continue to sell-out through early next year. Now is the time for Nintendo to translate that hype into hype for software. And seeing how the release is right around the corner Metroid is the poster child of 'I need to be hyped'.