Author Topic: Metroid Prime 3 Revolutionized (Read 396774 times)

Kairon · « **Reply #750 on:** August 09, 2007, 08:39:07 AM »

I don't know. If I was a developer, I'd love to have the sort of financial stability that makes a one year delay to make a great game a shrug of the shoulders kind of thing. More money for me, better product... everybody wins!

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #751 on:** August 09, 2007, 08:47:59 AM »

I don't know about you guys but I remember a system, I believe it was called Wii, where people were whining and complaining about the lack of advertising about 3 weeks before launch. Or maybe this game called Super Paper Mario, it had like NO advertising 3 weeks before launch either, heck they waited a week before launch to even begin to market it. As we all know both were collossal failures and Nintendo didn't care one iota about selling them and gave the people who worked on both the finger.

Mashiro · « **Reply #752 on:** August 09, 2007, 08:49:04 AM »

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I don't know about you guys but I remember a system, I believe it was called Wii, where people were whining and complaining about the lack of advertising about 3 weeks before launch. Or maybe this game called Super Paper Mario, it had like NO advertising 3 weeks before launch either, heck they waited a week before launch to even begin to market it. As we all know both were collossal failures and Nintendo didn't care one iota about selling them and gave the people who worked on both the finger.

ZING!

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #753 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:07:01 AM »

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To add a little fuel to fire:

The apparent lack of advertising on this is part of the marketing group that Nintendo is leaving behind when they move to SF/NYC.

So that decision is starting to make more sense.

Also, if I were Retro, and our game was being treated like this - having to suffer over a year delay to be polished (by which I mean some of that delay was manufactured by Nintendo), having to re-work a game from the GC -> Wii, having to make the controls perfect but then seemingly be tossed aside, all of this after being THE headliner title to show off just how great motion controls could be - I'd be f*cking pissed and question my second party status.

I'm guessing all those guys at Retro - a good part of them being FPS bigwigs - would absolutely kill to make a game with the 360/PS3's levels of power (over 9000). To be treated like a dog like this by Nintendo makes me sorry for them and breeds a lot of anger.

I'm curious as to what inside information you have that you know that Nintendo was the one that pushed for the delay and not the other way around. Isn't it just as conceivable that Nintendo was pushing them to make the launch and they wanted more time? And if these so-called "FPS bigwigs" dislike the way Nintendo treats them why haven't they left Retro and formed their own company (i.e. Free Radical leaving Rare)? And who are you to speak for them with your assumption that they have strong desires to make games with the extra processing capabilities of the other seventh-gen consoles?

As has been pointed out, Nintendo never advertises games this long before they come out. I don't see how Nintendo "treated Retro like a dog".

Also, it would be a little tough for Retro to question its second-party status, as it doesn't have any. Retro is completely owned by Nintendo which makes them a 1st party development group.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #754 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:12:27 AM »

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To add a little fuel to fire:

The apparent lack of advertising on this is part of the marketing group that Nintendo is leaving behind when they move to SF/NYC.

So that decision is starting to make more sense.

Also, if I were Retro, and our game was being treated like this - having to suffer over a year delay to be polished (by which I mean some of that delay was manufactured by Nintendo), having to re-work a game from the GC -> Wii, having to make the controls perfect but then seemingly be tossed aside, all of this after being THE headliner title to show off just how great motion controls could be - I'd be f*cking pissed and question my second party status.

I'm guessing all those guys at Retro - a good part of them being FPS bigwigs - would absolutely kill to make a game with the 360/PS3's levels of power (over 9000). To be treated like a dog like this by Nintendo makes me sorry for them and breeds a lot of anger.

I'm curious as to what inside information you have that you know that Nintendo was the one that pushed for the delay and not the other way around. Isn't it just as conceivable that Nintendo was pushing them to make the launch and they wanted more time? And if these so-called "FPS bigwigs" dislike the way Nintendo treats them why haven't they left Retro and formed their own company (i.e. Free Radical leaving Rare)? And who are you to speak for them with your assumption that they have strong desires to make games with the extra processing capabilities of the other seventh-gen consoles?

As has been pointed out, Nintendo never advertises games this long before they come out. I don't see how Nintendo "treated Retro like a dog".

Also, it would be a little tough for Retro to question its second-party status, as it doesn't have any. Retro is completely owned by Nintendo which makes them a 1st party development group.

You don't spend millions on a game, give a developer more time to polish it, and give magazines exclusives on it if you are going to "ignore" the game. Makes me wonder what you guy's have seen, Nintendo has never been one to hype a game up weeks before launch, Smash Bros. Brawl is the definite exception not the rule and that is most likely because they CAN reveal alot about the game. What are they going to do with MP3? Ruin all the levels and your special moves you get through progressing in the game? Who really does that? Heck MS isn't really doing any of that with Halo 3, so are they ignoring that as well?

Not only that but what would Nintendo hope to do with advertising it now? Sell more Wiis? Those same Wii systems that are selling out everywhere already? No I'm sorry but the smart thing to do is wait until the week of the launch and shortly after to hit people with marketing. Now if they don't do any of that and the game's sales suffer I say go after Nintendo, but until then stop complaining and try to have alittle faith that Nintendo knows what they are doing like they have been showing throughout this short, but overly successful Wii era.

Mashiro · « **Reply #755 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:16:46 AM »

THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!

Seriously people, the only game Nintendo really heavily advertised before it's release (in recent memory) was The Legend of Zelda: OoT.

People act as if Nintendo advertises all its heavy hitters way before hand and Metroid Prime 3 is the exception to the rule. This is a silly argument at best.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #756 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:31:28 AM »

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THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!

Seriously people, the only game Nintendo really heavily advertised before it's release (in recent memory) was The Legend of Zelda: OoT.

People act as if Nintendo advertises all its heavy hitters way before hand and Metroid Prime 3 is the exception to the rule. This is a silly argument at best.

Is it possible for the sky to fall? Hmmmm.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #757 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:33:47 AM »

*Meteorite hits GP*

wandering · « **Reply #758 on:** August 09, 2007, 11:17:20 AM »

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...this game is right up [Kairon's] ally.

No it isn't. This game looks like it's going to be good, and Kairon only likes bad games. (But, you might be thinking, that can't be, because he constantly praises Miyamoto games. That threw me off for a long while too, until he made a comment disparaging a gameplay mechanic of a certain game, not knowing that Miyamoto himself came up with it. This proved to me that Kairon is not really a Miyamoto fan, and can't really recognize Miyamoto's genius. In other words, every time he says he likes a Miyamoto game, he's lying.)

NAME THE GAME AND THE MECHANIC. RAWR.

Allow me to quote for you some words that were exchanged between us a year ago, in the Super Mario Galaxy thread.

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I don't understand the hype because I don't get what's so great about running upside down on a planetoid [...]

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Kairon may think he's a Miyamoto fanboi, but he has demonstrated today that he is anything but.

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BUT MIYAMOTO'S EAD ISN'T MAKING IT! NINTENDO TOKYO'S JUNGLE BEAT TEAM IS!

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Nice try.

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Takashi Tezuka: Mr. Miyamoto had done experiments with Mario on a round playing surface in the past, so that married up to this idea of taking him somewhere new.

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That's right. You just said you don't get what's so great about an idea Miyamoto himself came up with.

Kairon · « **Reply #759 on:** August 09, 2007, 11:31:53 AM »

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...this game is right up [Kairon's] ally.

No it isn't. This game looks like it's going to be good, and Kairon only likes bad games. (But, you might be thinking, that can't be, because he constantly praises Miyamoto games. That threw me off for a long while too, until he made a comment disparaging a gameplay mechanic of a certain game, not knowing that Miyamoto himself came up with it. This proved to me that Kairon is not really a Miyamoto fan, and can't really recognize Miyamoto's genius. In other words, every time he says he likes a Miyamoto game, he's lying.)

NAME THE GAME AND THE MECHANIC. RAWR.

Super Mario Galaxy. Walking upside down on planetoids.

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Takashi Tezuka: Mr. Miyamoto had done experiments with Mario on a round playing surface in the past, so that married up to this idea of taking him somewhere new.

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I don't understand the hype because I don't get what's so great about running upside down on a planetoid

That's right. You just said you don't get what's so great about an idea Miyamoto himself came up with.

Is it not right that the student does not understand his teacher's actions? One must first be shocked out of knowledge, before they are opened to learning. *bows*

mantidor · « **Reply #760 on:** August 09, 2007, 02:40:09 PM »

This talk of advertisment seems to ignore the HUGE advertisement campaign for Echoes, with even some viral marketing making fun of the "I love bees" thing, the luminoth temple and all that stuff, not to mention the commercial about slightly whoring out samus with hip music and everything. (Of course, not as bad as the "lets whore out samus to the end and more" Zero Mission ad in Japan).

Well nintendo's marketing department, in all honesty I have to say that you in fact suck, putting echoes against halo 2 was the stupidest idea ever, and I guess that such collosal failure is the reason you aren't hyping this game in the level it should. Yes, Metroid is a very special game series that will probably never get enormous sales, and people in general are dumb, stupid and prefer to just "shoot things" than experience the prefect gaming achievement that Metroid is, but also I'm sure theres enough people out there that still haven't played Metroid and would LOVE IT, you get to them, you will have someone that will buy every single iteration, don't be stupid! and Nintendo, don't forget that since we aren't that dumb you won't get us to buy your sh!tty spinoffs like pinball or hunters, make real metroid games, we will be there with our money, the only language you talk now.

EasyCure · « **Reply #761 on:** August 09, 2007, 03:19:31 PM »

I feel guilty for somewhat starting an add debate. my original point was against the “brilliant” commercial comment. all i was saying was that it wouldn't be brilliant, it would be more of the same, which as i later mentioned isn't a bad thing at all.

screw matt and everyone at ign. That site blows and i feel disgusted for coming off like i was siding with his opinion about metroid not getting any hype. You'd think being part of their wii staff he'd know nintendo hasn't been wasting their money running adds months before the game is even out.

oh, wait, he does know! he's just trying to incite some nintendo hate because he wants people to check out his site and blog to start some pre-hype. He knows the adds will come and we'll be bombarded with them. He just wants to get attention on him while also getting some attention for the game, so that when the game sells better than Echoes he can say “see if it wasn't for me bringing awareness to the fact that this game wasn't being hyped like it should of been, some of you might not of known about it and missed the little hype it did have.” Conversely, if the game somehow manages to tank he can blog about how he called it, how he let the world know metroid wasn't being hyped enough before release but they didn't listen.

and speaking of Echoes, i've never seen that add you linked to Mantidor. Actually the only GC adds i ever say were the launch adds with things in cubes. Back then i had time to watch alot of tv too, but i still never saw them. Now that i have less time i see wii adds on almost every commercial break.

mantidor · « **Reply #762 on:** August 09, 2007, 03:22:57 PM »

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and speaking of Echoes, i've never seen that add you linked to Mantidor. Actually the only GC adds i ever say were the launch adds with things in cubes. Back then i had time to watch alot of tv too, but i still never saw them. Now that i have less time i see wii adds on almost every commercial break.

HA! No wonder then the poor fate of the game, I saw that add a million times, and in MTV LA of all places! I never expected to see a GC ad there, it surprises me you never saw it.

Kairon · « **Reply #763 on:** August 09, 2007, 03:32:28 PM »

I never saw that copmmercial before either... wel;l, I guess it's advertising, but was it good?

EasyCure · « **Reply #764 on:** August 09, 2007, 04:28:31 PM »

Well mtv and all of its subsidiaries is the last place i'd expect to see anything. Thats cuz you can't see what you pretend doesn't exist.

i loathe all music television, except for muchmusic in canadaland but i can't get that here in the states anymore so i'm not sure if its still any good

Mashiro · « **Reply #765 on:** August 09, 2007, 04:30:02 PM »

MTV: where brain cells go to die.

White Mage · « **Reply #766 on:** August 10, 2007, 03:30:26 AM »

Well, in light of the Corruption Preview download on the Wii today, does that mean we get to rub it in Matt's face and post comments on his blog calling him a liar?

Personally, I think this is an awesome step in the right direction for Nintendo. This is the closest thing they've done yet to downloadable demos, so hopefully it will eventually lead to that.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #767 on:** August 10, 2007, 06:08:10 AM »

You know Peter Moore has Reggie on the phone asking when they can put up an EA sports demo channel.

Ceric · « **Reply #768 on:** August 10, 2007, 06:20:06 AM »

I would think that a Dewy or Zak and Wiki have the people really pushing for a Demo channel.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #769 on:** August 10, 2007, 06:54:13 AM »

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Well, in light of the Corruption Preview download on the Wii today, does that mean we get to rub it in Matt's face and post comments on his blog calling him a liar?

Personally, I think this is an awesome step in the right direction for Nintendo. This is the closest thing they've done yet to downloadable demos, so hopefully it will eventually lead to that.

What about the people here who were saying that Nintendo was crapping all over Retro and that Retro should be thinking about leaving?

Kairon · « **Reply #770 on:** August 10, 2007, 07:35:32 AM »

This was a brilliant PR move by Nintendo. Get the hardcore buzzing with a little Matt supplied indirection, and then BAM! Hit 'em in the FACE!!!

White Mage · « **Reply #771 on:** August 10, 2007, 07:48:38 AM »

Are you implying that Matt was in on this to get people all up in arms over the "anti-hype" for MP3 only for Nintendo to turn around and say "Ha! Gotcha!"? It is kind of strange that IGN has yet to report on the MP3 preview...

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #772 on:** August 10, 2007, 07:51:51 AM »

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Are you implying that Matt was in on this to get people all up in arms over the "anti-hype" for MP3 only for Nintendo to turn around and say "Ha! Gotcha!"? It is kind of strange that IGN has yet to report on the MP3 preview...

Not really they usually don't update until later in the evening.

Michael8983 · « **Reply #773 on:** August 10, 2007, 08:35:08 AM »

I'm sure some would argue that Nintendo needs to advertise more to people that DON'T have a Wii yet than those who already do, but this is still a very positive sign. Hopefully Nintendo will send out a memo to game stores to update their Wii display with the new demo as well.

Mashiro · « **Reply #774 on:** August 10, 2007, 08:36:39 AM »

I still say Nintendo is crapping all over Retro Studios.

I mean come on a PREVIEW CHANNEL!?

If they were SERIOUS about Metroid Prime it would have been a downloadable demo.

I am totally joking lol.

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