Topic: Do you think that N can get sega to..

[notic]

make a download service for sega's past consoles?

[Dasmos]

Who knows??? But does this deserve its own thread??






 

[Spak-Spang]

Nintendo possible could...but then Nintendo would have to develop emulators to work on Revolution.  We still don't know exactly how Revolution plays these games.  Has Nintendo create perfect emulators for all the systems or what?  

For that matter Microsoft or Sony could pay Sammy/Sega enough for them to do the same for their systems...and it would be a pretty powerful counter-attack for Sony or MS to do.

Personally, I wish Nintendo could have bought Sega or could make a deal like this with them, because Sega 8-bit and Genesis has some great games that are highly underrated.  However, Sega past the Genesis years hasn't been the same.

[jasonditz]

Plus I doubt they'd do a download service for anything but cartridge-based systems. Genesis has some good titles, but seriously, how many of those didn't either have an SNES version or wind up in a collection for a Nintendo system already? Sword of Vermillion is the only one that springs immediately to mind.

[BigJim]

It'd be a cool ideas nonetheless, to partner with Sega and pull it off. There were a lot of fun Genesis games that I wouldn't mind trying out again.

I didn't stick around for the 32X though. Heh.

[ThePerm]

i hope that the rev can add some upgrades to some n6 graphics..a more steady framerate and some hi-res

[Stimutacs Addict]

and score perfect dark; i want to play that with the GCN controller

[TheYoungerPlumber]

Yes, I've said it since speculation of downloadable games started bubbling: Sega is likely to support this.  Why?  They're going for every quick buck lately, and have pulled the emulation/rerelease card MANY times before.  I see no reason for Sega not to want Genisis on the Revolution if the service isn't free, and if Nintendo gets a cut, Nintendo will be happy too.  

[BlackNMild2k1]

Didn't NEC bring out the Turbo Grafix (PC Engine)?, and doesn't Nintendo have close ties w/ NEC?
What if Nintendo not only got SEGA to allow downloadable games from SMS, Genesis & Saturn, but also got the same from Turbo Grafix 16/CD.  
Wouldn't that be more likely likely to happen, considering that NEC hasn't been making games for sometime now and isn't trying to milk their old titles w/ collection releases?

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but why stop there? why not get NeoGeo and all their arcade releases to allow D/Ling too, along with the now extinct 3DO, CDi and Jaguar?

[jasonditz]

I really doubt they're going to offer downloading of CD-based games when they only have a 512 MB flash card on-board.

[BlackNMild2k1]

how many of those cd based games do you think actually used 700MB? or even 500MB?  I'm also sure that most of the files would be compressed and ecrypted for quick and easy download, and then be unencrypted and decompressed by the hardware when needed.  
not that I really know how it all works, but it sounds possible and plausible to me

[jasonditz]

sure, some Sega CD games weigh in at around 80-120 MB, but some spanned multiple discs even back then.

Compression might help some, but I'm not sure how well you can decompress-and-run when you don't have enough ram to load the entire thing. It'd be more reasonable to just let the drive read such discs and offer the emulator itself as a download option.

[nickmitch]

Couldn't the 2 disk games just run as two different downloads?

[ruby_onix]

You'd have to re-download 650MB when you get to a "please insert Disc 2" screen.

Personally, I think Nintendo should just get a wide assortment of classic CD-based games re-issued and sold online, perhaps through whatever system you use to buy the Revolution downloads of the cart-based games.

It's unreasonable to expect someone to start running off new NES/SNES/N64 carts, or to cutsom build them on demand. It's not unreasonable to stamp out new TG-CD/Sega CD/Saturn CDs, or to burn them on demand.


BTW, it's a good idea, and makes all the sense in the world, but you just know Nintendo's not going to do it, right?  

[jasonditz]

What would they have to charge to make it worthwhile to stamp all these new CDs? If they can do it cheaply you'd think someone would've already cashed in on the comparative scarcity of, say, Panzer Dragoon Saga for the Sega Saturn or Popful Mail for the Sega CD.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I'm sure that they could have some sort of automated on-demand burning system.  As soon as you pay for the game whether it be online or at a special kiosk the system would automatically start burning onto a specially encrytped disc that can only be read by the Rev..

I got a whole system that would seem to work all in my head but I don't feel like typing it out.  It involves purchase tickets that you bring back to the machine (10-15 minutes later) after the burn is complete to claim your game, and stuff like that.

[ruby_onix]

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What would they have to charge to make it worthwhile to stamp all these new CDs? If they can do it cheaply you'd think someone would've already cashed in on the comparative scarcity of, say, Panzer Dragoon Saga for the Sega Saturn or Popful Mail for the Sega CD.

A re-issue of a CD-based game is really cheap. If they sell online and avoid the retail chain, the costs are even lower. Even for a really small (or even "custom") printing, I can't see it costing more than ten bucks. So selling it for anything over that would be pure profit.

The problem is, companies don't think that you can sell in big volumes on a game that has already passed, so they don't think it's even worth their time to even think about it. Fans? Hah! They're meaningless windbags. You can get $200 out of some guy on eBay? Big deal. The company doesn't want $200. They want $2,000,000.

Then there's also any licencing problems, as most older contracts have expired and need to be re-negotiated. And the rights-holders demand to know exactly how many copies of the game you expect to sell, up-front, before they sign anything. You often hear about some companies having to make certain "commitments" about sales levels, otherwise they have to pay penalty rates to the rights-holders.

Of course, all of those problems apply to the download system Nintendo's already working on. The only difference is that re-issued CD games would deliver something hard and tangible to you, and might cost ten bucks more than whatever the downloads are going to cost.

One thing's for sure though, and that's that none of this would be happening without Nintendo's "Classic NES Series" putting dollar signs into people's eyes.


(BTW, if Nintendo does arrange to re-release games for old CD consoles (which I doubt they will), I'd want them to be playable on their original hardware. Even if I'd never play them that way. Unless they're "enhanced" for the Revolution.)

[Mario]

If this happened, Virtual Bart would be my Revolution killer app